http://www.statejournal.com/story/26393059/sandra-stotsky-common-core-gets-things-backward

Suggest you read this. No one knows how the committee was selected. Don't you find that puzzling? It doesn't bother you at all?

What you keep trying to tout as "fact" is nothing but unfounded assumption and opinion.

Sorry, but your attempt at propagating a narrative that the standards were developed behind locked doors with no teachers involved really does not carry any water whatsoever.

Sorry. I prefer to deal with facts. When you can give facts with documentation I'll read it.

Plus I think you only referenced two of the workgroups - there were a lot more people than that involved, literally a cast of hundreds. You didn't even begin to scratch the surface of their backgrounds, experience, education, et cetera.

Really? I only found the results of one survey. Why don't you post all the data since you obviously know all of this.

More than two on the list you are working off of do have teaching experience, and in fact, several of them taught K-12 teachers how to teach, and several of them know more about childhood development and pedagogy than any classroom teacher does.

And, you know this, how?

Anonymous wrote:

I'm not posting links to teacher input to the Common Core standards because I have already posted them multiple times and I have had enough. What is your reason for not posting evidence to support your claim?

LOL! You keep posting the common core website which insists that teachers were involved. Oddly, there are not any teachers on the list of developers. Two are on the list of the workgroups. That's it.

More than two on the list you are working off of do have teaching experience, and in fact, several of them taught K-12 teachers how to teach, and several of them know more about childhood development and pedagogy than any classroom teacher does.

Plus I think you only referenced two of the workgroups - there were a lot more people than that involved, literally a cast of hundreds. You didn't even begin to scratch the surface of their backgrounds, experience, education, et cetera.

And... to add to that, what about the workgroups *prior* to Common Core, who actually did most of the hard work in standards development? Remember, probably 80% of Common Core was adapted from pre-existing state standards. You didn't account for all of the folks who developed those state standards, either.

Sorry, but your attempt at propagating a narrative that the standards were developed behind locked doors with no teachers involved really does not carry any water whatsoever.

I am happy with my kids public school. They are happy, I am happy, our community is great and the classroom teachers are great. I'm not adding anything here, just letting you all know I'm reading this thread as I have a glass of wine, that you all are very entertaining. Better than television!

So now your claim is that the standards were written by professors?

No, the fact is that there were no classroom teachers involved in the development process. Go do some research. There were some professors among the writers.

Anonymous wrote:This paper is pretty much on the money:

They describe what they are experiencing as
a process in which, piece by piece, they are
being told what to do and how to do it by
people who are not teachers and have little
respect for teachers or the work that teachers
do. They see policymakers embracing
one nostrum after another that their own
professional experience tells them will not
work. They know that the real motivation
behind the vogue for teacher evaluation
is to fire teachers who are deemed to add
insufficient value to a student’s education,
but they think that tests used for that
purpose measure very little of what they
think a good education is and even less of
what a good teacher does for the students
under his or her care.27

Nurses and paramedics rarely have the same long term relationship with their charges that teachers have. Teachers who stay in teaching, despite the low pay, stay because they feel appreciated and because they feel they are making a difference. Once they are made to feel insignificant, the money is not enough to keep them there. Unless, of course, you have a teacher who really doesn't care. Those kinds will not speak out and will probably stick around.
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Nurses and paramedics *literally* save lives. But, I guess that's not important, not something we value in society.

Anonymous wrote:

So your claim is that there were no teachers on the development committees and there was one teacher each on each of the work groups. OK. And so therefore...?

The standards were written by people in ivory towers. It is a fact-not a claim. That is one of the problems with the standards.

So now your claim is that the standards were written by professors?

So your claim is that there were no teachers on the development committees and there was one teacher each on each of the work groups. OK. And so therefore...?

The standards were written by people in ivory towers. It is a fact-not a claim. That is one of the problems with the standards.

Anonymous wrote:

I still don't understand your claim. First it was that teachers weren't involved at all. Then that there weren't teachers on the development committees but were teachers on the work committees. Then that the feedback from teachers was skimpy. What point, exactly, are you trying to make?

NO teachers on development committee.
ONE on the math work group. (feedback group--and he does not like CC)
ONE on the language arts work group (feedback group)

So your claim is that there were no teachers on the development committees and there was one teacher each on each of the work groups. OK. And so therefore...?

I still don't understand your claim. First it was that teachers weren't involved at all. Then that there weren't teachers on the development committees but were teachers on the work committees. Then that the feedback from teachers was skimpy. What point, exactly, are you trying to make?

NO teachers on development committee.
ONE on the math work group. (feedback group--and he does not like CC)
ONE on the language arts work group (feedback group)

Anonymous wrote:

Also, which is your claim, exactly? That there were no teachers on the development committees, or that no teachers were involved?

There were no teachers on the development committee.
There were two teachers on the work committees.
(one each)

The feedback from teachers is skimpy. Why?

I still don't understand your claim. First it was that teachers weren't involved at all. Then that there weren't teachers on the development committees but were teachers on the work committees. Then that the feedback from teachers was skimpy. What point, exactly, are you trying to make?

Also, which is your claim, exactly? That there were no teachers on the development committees, or that no teachers were involved?

There were no teachers on the development committee.
There were two teachers on the work committees.
(one each)

The feedback from teachers is skimpy. Why?