Anonymous wrote:For those of you who have kids this age (mine isn't old enough yet), how much do they talk and convey thoughts and more importantly how much do they remember?

Will a 3 yr old talk about how he/she was so cold in the car or develop a fear of cars or whatever? How about a 2 yr old? Will they forget eventually or is it going to take years? Or is it like infants where they don't remember/have a sense of time? I realize every kid is different but just curious from a child dev point of view.

My son is 4 and today, totally out of the blue, he recounted a weekend trip we took with my parents when he was 2 and 2 months - he remember specific things about the pool and hotel. We don't have any pictures of that trip - it was just a short weekend away... And we haven't talked about it in ages and ages, so I'd say they remember more stuff than we know.

Anonymous wrote:For those of you who have kids this age (mine isn't old enough yet), how much do they talk and convey thoughts and more importantly how much do they remember?

Will a 3 yr old talk about how he/she was so cold in the car or develop a fear of cars or whatever? How about a 2 yr old? Will they forget eventually or is it going to take years? Or is it like infants where they don't remember/have a sense of time? I realize every kid is different but just curious from a child dev point of view.

2 year old will probably forget, but a 3 year old will likely talk about it...I do think eventually, they will forget it.

For those of you who have kids this age (mine isn't old enough yet), how much do they talk and convey thoughts and more importantly how much do they remember?

Will a 3 yr old talk about how he/she was so cold in the car or develop a fear of cars or whatever? How about a 2 yr old? Will they forget eventually or is it going to take years? Or is it like infants where they don't remember/have a sense of time? I realize every kid is different but just curious from a child dev point of view.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm the PP who said I wasn't sure if I'd intervene.

They're in their mid 40s with a 2 and 3 yr old; they had kids pretty close together likely cause that window was closing. Now they're stuck with 2 needy toddlers after having been DiNKS for 2 decades. I'm sure they were sick of the story time, bath time, act like everything your kid does is utterly fascinating routine and just needed a few hrs away. I bet they booked a sitter who cancelled last second, didn't have anyone who could step in and said f--- it, we're going anyway. How do we make it happen? And this is the plan they devised.

Stupid as it was, I still don't see it as any of my business or the business of the state dept atty who watched the car for 20 min. I honestly don't see caring enough about someone else's toddlers who are secured in a car -- cold is not going to harm them for 2-3 hrs -- but obviously that's just me.

How do we make it happen?? When 'it' is a wine tasting?? FFS.

And I'm grateful that the state dept. attorney clearly did think it was his business as opposed to someone like you. You don't care enough about a two and three year old? Wow.

I guess I am heartless, but for a victimless crime like this, I'd move on with my day; I wouldn't sit there and watch the car, I'd assume the parents were someplace nearby and coming back. And frankly who wants to be involved here -- now you have to talk to cops, testify at trial if there is one or talk to investigators even if there is no trial. Not my problem I say. Yes -- it is victimless - kids are TWO and THREE; they'll forget it in a few days if they haven't already. It's not like they are older kids who'll remember and re-live this kind of thing.

unless they developed hypothermia and had to have toes amputated...
or got kidnapped and trafficed...
or the car got broken into for the iphone and a shard of glass hit one in the leg or face or eye...

Then it would be the parents' problem to live with that for the rest of their lives. I doubt the people on this site would grieve for the rest of their lives -- you'd move on to the next tragedy.

Anonymous wrote:I guess I am heartless, but for a victimless crime like this, I'd move on with my day; I wouldn't sit there and watch the car, I'd assume the parents were someplace nearby and coming back. And frankly who wants to be involved here -- now you have to talk to cops, testify at trial if there is one or talk to investigators even if there is no trial. Not my problem I say. Yes -- it is victimless - kids are TWO and THREE; they'll forget it in a few days if they haven't already. It's not like they are older kids who'll remember and re-live this kind of thing.

No, you're not heartless, just morally vagrant. I'm very sorry that you're such a self-centered, selfish person that you can't even be moved to care about helping out even a child.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm the PP who said I wasn't sure if I'd intervene.

They're in their mid 40s with a 2 and 3 yr old; they had kids pretty close together likely cause that window was closing. Now they're stuck with 2 needy toddlers after having been DiNKS for 2 decades. I'm sure they were sick of the story time, bath time, act like everything your kid does is utterly fascinating routine and just needed a few hrs away. I bet they booked a sitter who cancelled last second, didn't have anyone who could step in and said f--- it, we're going anyway. How do we make it happen? And this is the plan they devised.

Stupid as it was, I still don't see it as any of my business or the business of the state dept atty who watched the car for 20 min. I honestly don't see caring enough about someone else's toddlers who are secured in a car -- cold is not going to harm them for 2-3 hrs -- but obviously that's just me.

The littler one had bare feet! That state dept attorney sat and watched for 20 min before calling the police, just in case the parents were on a quick errand. That person seems reasonable to me.

I posted earlier about this MYOB poster sounding a bit out there and disconnected. I work at State with many of the attorneys, and think that guy should be commended and am so glad the misanthrope above wasn't the one witnessing all this.

So now that they're out on bail, I assume they can't leave town but are they free to go about their lives? There's going to be a hearing for a guilty plea or a trial if they don't want to plead, but I imagine those won't be for months -- so do they go back to work or take some kind of leave of absence?

I don't imagine you can get fired for this, since what you do on your own time with your own family isn't work's problem -- though I guess you're at will, but I'm not sure if an employer would care. Work will be lonely for them. No one is going to want to mention this, nor will the want to mention it but it'll be that gorilla in the room. And I can't imagine their casual work friends are going to want to stop by their offices to chit chat or do coffee runs anymore. I imagine they're both calling their bosses tonight to ask for "work from home" arrangements in order to minimize the "distraction" to the rest of the office.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm the PP who said I wasn't sure if I'd intervene.

They're in their mid 40s with a 2 and 3 yr old; they had kids pretty close together likely cause that window was closing. Now they're stuck with 2 needy toddlers after having been DiNKS for 2 decades. I'm sure they were sick of the story time, bath time, act like everything your kid does is utterly fascinating routine and just needed a few hrs away. I bet they booked a sitter who cancelled last second, didn't have anyone who could step in and said f--- it, we're going anyway. How do we make it happen? And this is the plan they devised.

Stupid as it was, I still don't see it as any of my business or the business of the state dept atty who watched the car for 20 min. I honestly don't see caring enough about someone else's toddlers who are secured in a car -- cold is not going to harm them for 2-3 hrs -- but obviously that's just me.

How do we make it happen?? When 'it' is a wine tasting?? FFS.

And I'm grateful that the state dept. attorney clearly did think it was his business as opposed to someone like you. You don't care enough about a two and three year old? Wow.

I guess I am heartless, but for a victimless crime like this, I'd move on with my day; I wouldn't sit there and watch the car, I'd assume the parents were someplace nearby and coming back. And frankly who wants to be involved here -- now you have to talk to cops, testify at trial if there is one or talk to investigators even if there is no trial. Not my problem I say. Yes -- it is victimless - kids are TWO and THREE; they'll forget it in a few days if they haven't already. It's not like they are older kids who'll remember and re-live this kind of thing.

I think you are a troll so I'm not going to rise to the bait.

According to the Post one of the kids didn't even have shoes and socks on! Yes, we should not report this kind of stuff. What an ass.

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Anonymous wrote:s/o - what would you say if it were your colleague?

i'm not sure i could look either of them in the eye. i would think so poorly of them.

I would print out the article and leave it on their chair.

Why? They know everybody already knows.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm the PP who said I wasn't sure if I'd intervene.

They're in their mid 40s with a 2 and 3 yr old; they had kids pretty close together likely cause that window was closing. Now they're stuck with 2 needy toddlers after having been DiNKS for 2 decades. I'm sure they were sick of the story time, bath time, act like everything your kid does is utterly fascinating routine and just needed a few hrs away. I bet they booked a sitter who cancelled last second, didn't have anyone who could step in and said f--- it, we're going anyway. How do we make it happen? And this is the plan they devised.

Stupid as it was, I still don't see it as any of my business or the business of the state dept atty who watched the car for 20 min. I honestly don't see caring enough about someone else's toddlers who are secured in a car -- cold is not going to harm them for 2-3 hrs -- but obviously that's just me.

How do we make it happen?? When 'it' is a wine tasting?? FFS.

And I'm grateful that the state dept. attorney clearly did think it was his business as opposed to someone like you. You don't care enough about a two and three year old? Wow.

I guess I am heartless, but for a victimless crime like this, I'd move on with my day; I wouldn't sit there and watch the car, I'd assume the parents were someplace nearby and coming back. And frankly who wants to be involved here -- now you have to talk to cops, testify at trial if there is one or talk to investigators even if there is no trial. Not my problem I say. Yes -- it is victimless - kids are TWO and THREE; they'll forget it in a few days if they haven't already. It's not like they are older kids who'll remember and re-live this kind of thing.

unless they developed hypothermia and had to have toes amputated...
or got kidnapped and trafficed...
or the car got broken into for the iphone and a shard of glass hit one in the leg or face or eye...

Or if the poor hysterical one got so worked up she threw up and started choking.
Child neglect is not a victim-less crime.

Are you getting off on posting these stupid comments? What is in if for you to keep coming back and posting your clear minority opinion? No one is jumping on your idiot bandwagon.

You say you don't care enough about these kids to have intervened had you seen them but yet you seem to care enough about this thread to keep posting.

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Anonymous wrote:s/o - what would you say if it were your colleague?

i'm not sure i could look either of them in the eye. i would think so poorly of them.

I would print out the article and leave it on their chair.

Oh, the passive aggressive leave it on the chair move, staple of federal bureaucrats everywhere! "Here's that thing I don't want to have to talk to you about."

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Anonymous wrote:I'm the PP who said I wasn't sure if I'd intervene.

They're in their mid 40s with a 2 and 3 yr old; they had kids pretty close together likely cause that window was closing. Now they're stuck with 2 needy toddlers after having been DiNKS for 2 decades. I'm sure they were sick of the story time, bath time, act like everything your kid does is utterly fascinating routine and just needed a few hrs away. I bet they booked a sitter who cancelled last second, didn't have anyone who could step in and said f--- it, we're going anyway. How do we make it happen? And this is the plan they devised.

Stupid as it was, I still don't see it as any of my business or the business of the state dept atty who watched the car for 20 min. I honestly don't see caring enough about someone else's toddlers who are secured in a car -- cold is not going to harm them for 2-3 hrs -- but obviously that's just me.

How do we make it happen?? When 'it' is a wine tasting?? FFS.

And I'm grateful that the state dept. attorney clearly did think it was his business as opposed to someone like you. You don't care enough about a two and three year old? Wow.

I guess I am heartless, but for a victimless crime like this, I'd move on with my day; I wouldn't sit there and watch the car, I'd assume the parents were someplace nearby and coming back. And frankly who wants to be involved here -- now you have to talk to cops, testify at trial if there is one or talk to investigators even if there is no trial. Not my problem I say. Yes -- it is victimless - kids are TWO and THREE; they'll forget it in a few days if they haven't already. It's not like they are older kids who'll remember and re-live this kind of thing.

I think you are a troll so I'm not going to rise to the bait.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm the PP who said I wasn't sure if I'd intervene.

They're in their mid 40s with a 2 and 3 yr old; they had kids pretty close together likely cause that window was closing. Now they're stuck with 2 needy toddlers after having been DiNKS for 2 decades. I'm sure they were sick of the story time, bath time, act like everything your kid does is utterly fascinating routine and just needed a few hrs away. I bet they booked a sitter who cancelled last second, didn't have anyone who could step in and said f--- it, we're going anyway. How do we make it happen? And this is the plan they devised.

Stupid as it was, I still don't see it as any of my business or the business of the state dept atty who watched the car for 20 min. I honestly don't see caring enough about someone else's toddlers who are secured in a car -- cold is not going to harm them for 2-3 hrs -- but obviously that's just me.

How do we make it happen?? When 'it' is a wine tasting?? FFS.

And I'm grateful that the state dept. attorney clearly did think it was his business as opposed to someone like you. You don't care enough about a two and three year old? Wow.

I guess I am heartless, but for a victimless crime like this, I'd move on with my day; I wouldn't sit there and watch the car, I'd assume the parents were someplace nearby and coming back. And frankly who wants to be involved here -- now you have to talk to cops, testify at trial if there is one or talk to investigators even if there is no trial. Not my problem I say. Yes -- it is victimless - kids are TWO and THREE; they'll forget it in a few days if they haven't already. It's not like they are older kids who'll remember and re-live this kind of thing.

unless they developed hypothermia and had to have toes amputated...
or got kidnapped and trafficed...
or the car got broken into for the iphone and a shard of glass hit one in the leg or face or eye...

Anonymous wrote:The footage of those two losers racing away from the camera crew was just the laugh I needed tonight.

Link, please. TIA

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Anonymous wrote:I'm the PP who said I wasn't sure if I'd intervene.

They're in their mid 40s with a 2 and 3 yr old; they had kids pretty close together likely cause that window was closing. Now they're stuck with 2 needy toddlers after having been DiNKS for 2 decades. I'm sure they were sick of the story time, bath time, act like everything your kid does is utterly fascinating routine and just needed a few hrs away. I bet they booked a sitter who cancelled last second, didn't have anyone who could step in and said f--- it, we're going anyway. How do we make it happen? And this is the plan they devised.

Stupid as it was, I still don't see it as any of my business or the business of the state dept atty who watched the car for 20 min. I honestly don't see caring enough about someone else's toddlers who are secured in a car -- cold is not going to harm them for 2-3 hrs -- but obviously that's just me.

How do we make it happen?? When 'it' is a wine tasting?? FFS.

And I'm grateful that the state dept. attorney clearly did think it was his business as opposed to someone like you. You don't care enough about a two and three year old? Wow.

I guess I am heartless, but for a victimless crime like this, I'd move on with my day; I wouldn't sit there and watch the car, I'd assume the parents were someplace nearby and coming back. And frankly who wants to be involved here -- now you have to talk to cops, testify at trial if there is one or talk to investigators even if there is no trial. Not my problem I say. Yes -- it is victimless - kids are TWO and THREE; they'll forget it in a few days if they haven't already. It's not like they are older kids who'll remember and re-live this kind of thing.