Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
And now, I leave the islamophobe with this request - please stop vilifying the Islamic faith. From the beginning you have confused the practice of Islam with Muhammads true revelation. You clearly have not read Leila Ahmed's book and have no right to be quoting passages that appear on a google preview. Learn Islamic history and then come back to debate from a position of knowledge. You are not in that position now.

Nothing you have posted challenges the original claim - Muslims portray Islam as a sole source of civilization, and pre-Islamic Arabia as a dark, terrible place because it's an ideologically serviceable approach.

Jahilia is not a scientific term. It's a branding effort. A brand is what people agree to all something.

What do you mean "I have no right"? What right do I need to quote anything at all?

I notice you didn't say anything at all about the way she contrasted the lives of Khadija and Aisha - in a light that wasn't very flattering to Aisha. That, I don't think you can blame on the Abbasids Do you want to try and spin this?

Anonymous wrote:
And now, I leave the islamophobe with this request - please stop vilifying the Islamic faith. From the beginning you have confused the practice of Islam with Muhammads true revelation. You clearly have not read Leila Ahmed's book and have no right to be quoting passages that appear on a google preview. Learn Islamic history and then come back to debate from a position of knowledge. You are not in that position now.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Jeff would not do anything because I wanted him to. He would act on his own sense of right and wrong. The articles quoting experts will expose the extent of your islamophobia. What owner of a blog will want islamophobes to have free reign to use his blog to propagate hate?

You have no idea what his sense of right and wrong is. He hasn't stopped this till now, and he won't, for the reasons you outlined.

But I do know your idea of right and wrong ISN'T shared by him. This was evidenced by the fact that 1) he said you (if you are the islamophobe in question) might have an agenda here and 2) the long, combative posts by you to him, which then also extended into the Web Feedback forum.

He has not stopped the threads and I appreciate that he hasn't because it is providing valuable information for the writers and investigative journalists.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

PP, I'm listing below just a few threads where various posters seemed to be speaking on behalf of all or most or many Christians. In the boldface text you will see that it is common for posters to speak on behalf of others of their faith. As you can see, some are speaking for atheists. One person even seems to be speaking about God's intent or will. It isn't unusual for posters to communicate this way and it, no way, is indicative of any kind of deception or intent to proselytize. More importantly, I didn't see anyone object to these posters speaking on behalf of Christians, atheists, or even God. So why do you object to Muslima doing the same?
----------------------------
10/24/2014 06:01
Subject: Science channel's "Biblical Mysteries Explained"

Anonymous
PS. What you write probaby won't shock many posters. Many Christians believe that examining your faith is a crucial part of being religious. I know you don't want to believe it, but many of us refuse to simply believe what we're told.


10/26/2014 00:40
Subject: Violence in Scripture. Let he who is without sin...

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
So, OP, are you an anti-semite or an islamophobe? I can't really tell which it is. Obviously, though, your link only gives 1 quote from Jesus and that one's a stretch, so you can't be entirely anti-religion. If you're Christian, then I'm officially embarrassed to have you claim to share my faith.

According to the answer key, 15 of the items come from the Bible. While only one was allegedly said by Jesus (and I'll admit it's somewhat twisted by the article), there are a lot of Christians who consider both the OT and the NT as part of their religious text.

If you only subscribe to the NT, which is much more peaceful and based on love, good for you, but many who claim to be Christians cite to the OT as part of their belief structure.


0/26/2014 10:13
Subject: Violence in Scripture. Let he who is without sin...

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
So, OP, are you an anti-semite or an islamophobe? I can't really tell which it is. Obviously, though, your link only gives 1 quote from Jesus and that one's a stretch, so you can't be entirely anti-religion. If you're Christian, then I'm officially embarrassed to have you claim to share my faith.

According to the answer key, 15 of the items come from the Bible. While only one was allegedly said by Jesus (and I'll admit it's somewhat twisted by the article), there are a lot of Christians who consider both the OT and the NT as part of their religious text.

If you only subscribe to the NT, which is much more peaceful and based on love, good for you, but many who claim to be Christians cite to the OT as part of their belief structure.especially the anti-gay part.

There are also many gay-friendly Christians, who consider much of the OT to be stories and fables, but still believe the part about it prophesizing the arrival of the Messiah.


09/20/2014 12:13
Subject: Why do Christians always try to convert you?

Anonymous
It's pretty simple really. Christians believe non-Christians are going to Hell. They don't want you to go to Hell. So they want you to be Christians.

Atheist don't try to convert people because they don't believe anything bad will happen if one chooses not to be an athiest.

I don't know why anyone would get all bent out of shape about it.


09/20/2014 22:38
Subject: Why do Christians always try to convert you?

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
It's pretty simple really. Christians believe non-Christians are going to Hell. They don't want you to go to Hell. So they want you to be Christians.

Atheist don't try to convert people because they don't believe anything bad will happen if one chooses not to be an athiest.

I don't know why anyone would get all bent out of shape about it.

Oh please.
- Mamy Christians don't think non-believers are automatically going to hell.
- Atheists like Dawkins are all about winning people over to their "side."


09/20/2014 23:21
Subject: Why do Christians always try to convert you?

Anonymous
God chooses to speak through people. Obviously , he could rip open the sky and say "I'm God.. You're not and abortion is evil" . He chooses to be more subtle . He allows for rejection.


09/23/2014 13:33
Subject: Re:Why do Christians always try to convert you?

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Those who seek to convert base it on this verse in the Bible where Christ commanded his apostles:

Mark 16:15-16 (King James Version)

15. And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Although it was addressed specifically to the apostles, some Christians - and especially the evangelicals - view it as applying to all Christians.

The problem is that - like many other things in the Bible - there is selectivity as to what is sacrosanct and what should not be taken literally and what is open to interpretation.


Yes, this is called "The Great Commandment" and it is the Christian's obligation to spread the "good word" to others. Some of us may do it more obviously. Some may do it by trying to lead a quiet Christian life and hope that others come to respect them and follow suits. The Jehovah's Witnesses mentioned above are REQUIRED to spend @ hours per week going door-to-door and must turn in records with number of hours spent in trying to seek conversion. If they don't do that, they will be shunned by the J.W. community. Read up on it in wikipedia. It's really rather amazing what is required of J.W.'s. Similarly Mormons seek to convert new Mormons but traditionally do it through the two year mission program at age 18 for boys and 19 for girls.

Whoa. You sure have a rivalry/enmity/hostility for Christians. I'm sure you'll respond with something about Christians being people of the book. Nevertheless, your obsession with the people you call Christian-evangelical-crusader-islamophobes seems very real.

Let's examine your substance. You are trying to argue that *everybody* makes generalizations about other members of their faiths. But you undermine this with quotes from Christians that carefully use the words "some" or "many." Then, for some reason, you tossed in some quotes from atheists or non-Christians that make the sort of sweeping generalizations about Christians that you claim to abhor when said generalizations are made about Muslims.

Here are the quotes that seem to be from Christians: 10/24/2014 06:01 and 09/23/2014 @ 13:33. Note the careful use of words like "many" and "some." You bolded the words "some" and "many" yourself.

Here are the posts that are obviously by atheists or non-Christians. Didn't you notice that these posters weren't Christian, when you were cutting and pasting? [/b]I'm talking about 10/26/2014 @ 00:40 (the 1st para is a Christian and the next two paras are an atheist or non-Christian. I know this because I'm the 1st para but the 2nd two paras are by an atheist or non-Christian who responded to me). Again, 09/20/2014 @ 12:13 is clearly a non-Christian or atheist. So for whatever reason, you elected to cut and paste broad generalizations made by atheists or non-Christians about what Christians supposedly think -- and that's exactly the sort of broad generalization that you object to when people make generalizations about all Muslims.

Anonymous wrote:Y'all keep talking about "subtle micro-agressions." In the meantime, your fellow Muslims cut the head off another aid worker and released a video this morning.

When Muslims stop blatant aggression and violence against non-Muslims, maybe we can talk about "subtle micro-aggressions."

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

PP, I'm listing below just a few threads where various posters seemed to be speaking on behalf of all or most or many Christians. In the boldface text you will see that it is common for posters to speak on behalf of others of their faith. As you can see, some are speaking for atheists. One person even seems to be speaking about God's intent or will. It isn't unusual for posters to communicate this way and it, no way, is indicative of any kind of deception or intent to proselytize. More importantly, I didn't see anyone object to these posters speaking on behalf of Christians, atheists, or even God. So why do you object to Muslima doing the same?
----------------------------
10/24/2014 06:01
Subject: Science channel's "Biblical Mysteries Explained"

Anonymous
PS. What you write probaby won't shock many posters. Many Christians believe that examining your faith is a crucial part of being religious. I know you don't want to believe it, but many of us refuse to simply believe what we're told.


10/26/2014 00:40
Subject: Violence in Scripture. Let he who is without sin...

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
So, OP, are you an anti-semite or an islamophobe? I can't really tell which it is. Obviously, though, your link only gives 1 quote from Jesus and that one's a stretch, so you can't be entirely anti-religion. If you're Christian, then I'm officially embarrassed to have you claim to share my faith.

According to the answer key, 15 of the items come from the Bible. While only one was allegedly said by Jesus (and I'll admit it's somewhat twisted by the article), there are a lot of Christians who consider both the OT and the NT as part of their religious text.

If you only subscribe to the NT, which is much more peaceful and based on love, good for you, but many who claim to be Christians cite to the OT as part of their belief structure.


0/26/2014 10:13
Subject: Violence in Scripture. Let he who is without sin...

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
So, OP, are you an anti-semite or an islamophobe? I can't really tell which it is. Obviously, though, your link only gives 1 quote from Jesus and that one's a stretch, so you can't be entirely anti-religion. If you're Christian, then I'm officially embarrassed to have you claim to share my faith.

According to the answer key, 15 of the items come from the Bible. While only one was allegedly said by Jesus (and I'll admit it's somewhat twisted by the article), there are a lot of Christians who consider both the OT and the NT as part of their religious text.

If you only subscribe to the NT, which is much more peaceful and based on love, good for you, but many who claim to be Christians cite to the OT as part of their belief structure.especially the anti-gay part.

There are also many gay-friendly Christians, who consider much of the OT to be stories and fables, but still believe the part about it prophesizing the arrival of the Messiah.


09/20/2014 12:13
Subject: Why do Christians always try to convert you?

Anonymous
It's pretty simple really. Christians believe non-Christians are going to Hell. They don't want you to go to Hell. So they want you to be Christians.

Atheist don't try to convert people because they don't believe anything bad will happen if one chooses not to be an athiest.

I don't know why anyone would get all bent out of shape about it.


09/20/2014 22:38
Subject: Why do Christians always try to convert you?

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
It's pretty simple really. Christians believe non-Christians are going to Hell. They don't want you to go to Hell. So they want you to be Christians.

Atheist don't try to convert people because they don't believe anything bad will happen if one chooses not to be an athiest.

I don't know why anyone would get all bent out of shape about it.

Oh please.
- Mamy Christians don't think non-believers are automatically going to hell.
- Atheists like Dawkins are all about winning people over to their "side."


09/20/2014 23:21
Subject: Why do Christians always try to convert you?

Anonymous
God chooses to speak through people. Obviously , he could rip open the sky and say "I'm God.. You're not and abortion is evil" . He chooses to be more subtle . He allows for rejection.


09/23/2014 13:33
Subject: Re:Why do Christians always try to convert you?

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Those who seek to convert base it on this verse in the Bible where Christ commanded his apostles:

Mark 16:15-16 (King James Version)

15. And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Although it was addressed specifically to the apostles, some Christians - and especially the evangelicals - view it as applying to all Christians.

The problem is that - like many other things in the Bible - there is selectivity as to what is sacrosanct and what should not be taken literally and what is open to interpretation.


Yes, this is called "The Great Commandment" and it is the Christian's obligation to spread the "good word" to others. Some of us may do it more obviously. Some may do it by trying to lead a quiet Christian life and hope that others come to respect them and follow suits. The Jehovah's Witnesses mentioned above are REQUIRED to spend @ hours per week going door-to-door and must turn in records with number of hours spent in trying to seek conversion. If they don't do that, they will be shunned by the J.W. community. Read up on it in wikipedia. It's really rather amazing what is required of J.W.'s. Similarly Mormons seek to convert new Mormons but traditionally do it through the two year mission program at age 18 for boys and 19 for girls.

Whoa. You sure have a rivalry/enmity/hostility for Christians. I'm sure you'll respond with something about Christians being people of the book. Nevertheless, your obsession with the people you call Christian-evangelical-crusader-islamophobes seems very real.

Let's examine your substance. You are trying to argue that *everybody* makes generalizations about other members of their faiths. But you undermine this with quotes from Christians that carefully use the words "some" or "many." Then, for some reason, you tossed in some quotes from atheists or non-Christians that make the sort of sweeping generalizations about Christians that you claim to abhor when said generalizations are made about Muslims.

Here are the quotes that seem to be from Christians: 10/24/2014 06:01 and 09/23/2014 @ 13:33. Note the careful use of words like "many" and "some." You bolded the words "some" and "many" yourself.

Here are the posts that are obviously by atheists or non-Christians. Didn't you notice that these posters weren't Christian, when you were cutting and pasting? [/b]I'm talking about 10/26/2014 @ 00:40 (the 1st para is a Christian and the next two paras are an atheist or non-Christian. I know this because I'm the 1st para but the 2nd two paras are by an atheist or non-Christian who responded to me). Again, 09/20/2014 @ 12:13 is clearly a non-Christian or atheist. So for whatever reason, you elected to cut and paste broad generalizations made by atheists or non-Christians about what Christians supposedly think -- and that's exactly the sort of broad generalization that you object to when people make generalizations about all Muslims.

Anonymous wrote:OP's beloved CAIR organization has been designated as a TERRORIST group along with the Taliban, I.S., Al-Queda, and the Muslim Brotherhood by the U.A.E. I guess that country is the next to be targeted as Islamaphobic.

CAIR has ties to the funding of Hamas which they now hide better than they used to.

But since they have plenty of funds and paid agents in most every major news outlet, I'm sure they'll find a way to twist this into some "whoa is me" storyline by their use of their favorite catchphrase--Pointing fingers and shouting Islamaphobe.

Anonymous wrote:

PP, I'm listing below just a few threads where various posters seemed to be speaking on behalf of all or most or many Christians. In the boldface text you will see that it is common for posters to speak on behalf of others of their faith. As you can see, some are speaking for atheists. One person even seems to be speaking about God's intent or will. It isn't unusual for posters to communicate this way and it, no way, is indicative of any kind of deception or intent to proselytize. More importantly, I didn't see anyone object to these posters speaking on behalf of Christians, atheists, or even God. So why do you object to Muslima doing the same?
----------------------------
10/24/2014 06:01
Subject: Science channel's "Biblical Mysteries Explained"

Anonymous
PS. What you write probaby won't shock many posters. Many Christians believe that examining your faith is a crucial part of being religious. I know you don't want to believe it, but many of us refuse to simply believe what we're told.


10/26/2014 00:40
Subject: Violence in Scripture. Let he who is without sin...

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
So, OP, are you an anti-semite or an islamophobe? I can't really tell which it is. Obviously, though, your link only gives 1 quote from Jesus and that one's a stretch, so you can't be entirely anti-religion. If you're Christian, then I'm officially embarrassed to have you claim to share my faith.

According to the answer key, 15 of the items come from the Bible. While only one was allegedly said by Jesus (and I'll admit it's somewhat twisted by the article), there are a lot of Christians who consider both the OT and the NT as part of their religious text.

If you only subscribe to the NT, which is much more peaceful and based on love, good for you, but many who claim to be Christians cite to the OT as part of their belief structure.


0/26/2014 10:13
Subject: Violence in Scripture. Let he who is without sin...

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
So, OP, are you an anti-semite or an islamophobe? I can't really tell which it is. Obviously, though, your link only gives 1 quote from Jesus and that one's a stretch, so you can't be entirely anti-religion. If you're Christian, then I'm officially embarrassed to have you claim to share my faith.

According to the answer key, 15 of the items come from the Bible. While only one was allegedly said by Jesus (and I'll admit it's somewhat twisted by the article), there are a lot of Christians who consider both the OT and the NT as part of their religious text.

If you only subscribe to the NT, which is much more peaceful and based on love, good for you, but many who claim to be Christians cite to the OT as part of their belief structure.especially the anti-gay part.

There are also many gay-friendly Christians, who consider much of the OT to be stories and fables, but still believe the part about it prophesizing the arrival of the Messiah.


09/20/2014 12:13
Subject: Why do Christians always try to convert you?

Anonymous
It's pretty simple really. Christians believe non-Christians are going to Hell. They don't want you to go to Hell. So they want you to be Christians.

Atheist don't try to convert people because they don't believe anything bad will happen if one chooses not to be an athiest.

I don't know why anyone would get all bent out of shape about it.


09/20/2014 22:38
Subject: Why do Christians always try to convert you?

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
It's pretty simple really. Christians believe non-Christians are going to Hell. They don't want you to go to Hell. So they want you to be Christians.

Atheist don't try to convert people because they don't believe anything bad will happen if one chooses not to be an athiest.

I don't know why anyone would get all bent out of shape about it.

Oh please.
- Mamy Christians don't think non-believers are automatically going to hell.
- Atheists like Dawkins are all about winning people over to their "side."


09/20/2014 23:21
Subject: Why do Christians always try to convert you?

Anonymous
God chooses to speak through people. Obviously , he could rip open the sky and say "I'm God.. You're not and abortion is evil" . He chooses to be more subtle . He allows for rejection.


09/23/2014 13:33
Subject: Re:Why do Christians always try to convert you?

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Those who seek to convert base it on this verse in the Bible where Christ commanded his apostles:

Mark 16:15-16 (King James Version)

15. And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Although it was addressed specifically to the apostles, some Christians - and especially the evangelicals - view it as applying to all Christians.

The problem is that - like many other things in the Bible - there is selectivity as to what is sacrosanct and what should not be taken literally and what is open to interpretation.


Yes, this is called "The Great Commandment" and it is the Christian's obligation to spread the "good word" to others. Some of us may do it more obviously. Some may do it by trying to lead a quiet Christian life and hope that others come to respect them and follow suits. The Jehovah's Witnesses mentioned above are REQUIRED to spend @ hours per week going door-to-door and must turn in records with number of hours spent in trying to seek conversion. If they don't do that, they will be shunned by the J.W. community. Read up on it in wikipedia. It's really rather amazing what is required of J.W.'s. Similarly Mormons seek to convert new Mormons but traditionally do it through the two year mission program at age 18 for boys and 19 for girls.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The mockery exposes your immaturity and lack of understanding of Islamic history, which is precisely why you should not be posting excerpts from books you have not read. Grownups read books before they discuss them. Youngsters who want to show off read the cliff notes version and try to sound as if they read the book. For goodness sake, read the book. Leila Ahmed clearly stated in some ways, women had more rights and freedom pre Islam, but that these rights were predominantly in the area of sexual autonomy. Moreover, she clearly states in her book (the part not in the google preview you viewed) that Muhammads relegation did elevate the status of women overall. The rights that they lost after the Prophets death were due to culture and not Islamic principles. Shame on you for twisting this to propagate hate toward Islam simply because of your own personal experience with Muslims in another country.

Uh-huh. That's exactly why she contrasted the lives of Muhammad's wives before and after Islam. That's exactly why she used words like "political leadership". Hey, maybe in some language "political leadership" is the same as "sexual autonomy".

It's kind of funny how you make up stories to support whatever argument you want to put forward. Let's refresh. Let's let Dr. Ahmed speak for herself, shall we? It's kind of funny, isn't it, how I post quotes, and you post only your own summaries of what you read.

"However, the argument made by some Islamists – that Islam’s banning of infanticide established the fact that Islam improved the position of women in all respects, seems both inaccurate and simplistic. In the first place, the situation of women appears to have varied among different communities of Arabia. Moreover, although Janilia marriage practices do not necessarily indicate the greater power of women or the absence of misogyny, they do correlate with women’s enjoying grater sexual autonomy than they were allowed under Islam. They also correlate with women’s being active participants, even leaders, in a wide range of community activities, including warfare and religion. Their autonomy and participation were curtailed with the establishment of Islam, its institution of patrilineal, patriarachal marriage as solely legitimate, and the social transformation that ensued."

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Jeff would not do anything because I wanted him to. He would act on his own sense of right and wrong. The articles quoting experts will expose the extent of your islamophobia. What owner of a blog will want islamophobes to have free reign to use his blog to propagate hate?

You have no idea what his sense of right and wrong is. He hasn't stopped this till now, and he won't, for the reasons you outlined.

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

OMG, this again!!!!! I have not read/followed this discussion and just clicked on the last page to see this ridiculous statement. Muslim women do not want western feminism. I appreciate your concerns that we are 2nd class citizens, but do know that those concerns are only existent in your mind. As a Muslim woman living a muslim life, believing in my faith 100%, I have never felt I was a second class citizen, I have never felt men were worth more than me. Why on earth are you blatantly making these ridiculous statements? Whenever women have been treated as less than, whenever women have gotten less than they deserved, it has never been because of Islam, to the contrary, it has always been because of a lack of Islam. I do not know of any institution, any religion, any organization that treats women, loves women, adore women, give a higher status to women than Islam. I feel blessed, lucky, happy to be a Muslim woman every single day of my life alhamdulillah( praised be to God) for Islam.

Your problem is the same as anyone else - inability to imagine that someone may have experiences, feelings and convictions other than your own. You don't speak for all Muslim women. You are just one person in a sea of them. Islam is not an institution or an organization, and when it tried to become one, less than enviable results ensued, much like any other religion that forgot its place.

I guess you failed to read the last paragraph of my response where I stated that sexism does exist in Muslim countries, yes there are Muslim women that are being abused, mistreated, being cheated on their rights every single day, just like there are non-muslim women being abused and killed every single day in America. What I'm not going to accept is your simplification that these realities, events are the results of Islam. Correlation doesn't imply causation

Of course it doesn't. What I take objection to is your statement that every single Muslim woman feels exactly the way you do. There are Muslim women out there that are less than happy about what their birth religion has provided for them - not human practice or country-based sexist, but actual letter of law. You imply they don't exist. That's not true. I am not begrudging you your love and devotion to Islam. If you are happy and content, good for you. I am simply pointing out that you have no grounds to state that all Muslim women feel the way you do.

Circle the part where I wrote every single woman feels the way I do???

Every time you start a sentence with "Muslim women."

If you didn't mean that and reported only your own experiences without claiming they are generic to all Muslim women, then I am wrong and I apologize.

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

OMG, this again!!!!! I have not read/followed this discussion and just clicked on the last page to see this ridiculous statement. Muslim women do not want western feminism. I appreciate your concerns that we are 2nd class citizens, but do know that those concerns are only existent in your mind. As a Muslim woman living a muslim life, believing in my faith 100%, I have never felt I was a second class citizen, I have never felt men were worth more than me. Why on earth are you blatantly making these ridiculous statements? Whenever women have been treated as less than, whenever women have gotten less than they deserved, it has never been because of Islam, to the contrary, it has always been because of a lack of Islam. I do not know of any institution, any religion, any organization that treats women, loves women, adore women, give a higher status to women than Islam. I feel blessed, lucky, happy to be a Muslim woman every single day of my life alhamdulillah( praised be to God) for Islam.

Your problem is the same as anyone else - inability to imagine that someone may have experiences, feelings and convictions other than your own. You don't speak for all Muslim women. You are just one person in a sea of them. Islam is not an institution or an organization, and when it tried to become one, less than enviable results ensued, much like any other religion that forgot its place.

I guess you failed to read the last paragraph of my response where I stated that sexism does exist in Muslim countries, yes there are Muslim women that are being abused, mistreated, being cheated on their rights every single day, just like there are non-muslim women being abused and killed every single day in America. What I'm not going to accept is your simplification that these realities, events are the results of Islam. Correlation doesn't imply causation

Of course it doesn't. What I take objection to is your statement that every single Muslim woman feels exactly the way you do. There are Muslim women out there that are less than happy about what their birth religion has provided for them - not human practice or country-based sexist, but actual letter of law. You imply they don't exist. That's not true. I am not begrudging you your love and devotion to Islam. If you are happy and content, good for you. I am simply pointing out that you have no grounds to state that all Muslim women feel the way you do.

Circle the part where I wrote every single woman feels the way I do???

Every time you start a sentence with "Muslim women."

If you didn't mean that and reported only your own experiences without claiming they are generic to all Muslim women, then I am wrong and I apologize.

When I shared my experiences, I said "I, as a Muslim woman". Yes, I've used the term Muslim women in general in my post sometimes because I feel like I Have met, lived with enough muslim women to know what/how they feel about some issues. Does it mean that this will be true for all millions of Muslim women? Of course not! We are a rainbow of sects, practices, values, beliefs... Under the umbrella of our general commonalities, we differ widely. I'm currently reading "I speak for myself' American women on being Muslim. Picked it up from the library, if you're in Va, it's available at the fairfax county libraries. It's an interesting read, and glimpse into the commonalities, differences and sisterhood that bond Muslim women of all walks of life who just happen to share the thread of Islam. I would recommend it to anyone who wants to know more about muslim women. It' s 40 short essays written by different Muslim women about what their identities mean to them, from their own perspectives