jsteele
05/09/2014 22:04
Subject: Another shooting near the National Zoo
Anonymous wrote:
Totally trashed right now. So please humor me: what did I say about you that was untruthful? Please feel free to use quotes of mine from the message you deleted. Do we need to quote you verbatim from now on and not paraphrase lest we risk deletion?
I already explained it once. I can't quote because your message is deleted. But, you said that I had changed my earlier story. The way that you described my earlier story was not factual. If you correctly state what I have said, there won't be any problem. But, if you are not truthful, I am no longer going to put up with anonymous false allegations. Surely I have said enough for you to have a field day without needing to make things up.
Anonymous
05/09/2014 22:01
Subject: Another shooting near the National Zoo
jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wow, Jeff. What happened to my email where I said "Jeff changes his story"? My viewpoint must be pretty scary if you need to remove my posts. Would love to chat someday. My guess is that I have way more friends who are socioeconomically less fortunate and/or minorities than you. Bet that would blow your mind. Feel free to remove this post too
I was pretty clear above that if you are not truthful about me, I will delete the message. Of course I can't have a chat with you because you only sling mud while staying anonymous. Next you will tell me that some of your best friends are black.
What did I say that was untruthful? Would be impressed if you could name one thing. Literally identify one thing.
If you don't have any black or minority friends, maybe you are part of the problem. (Would be happy to introduce you to other people. Will send you my email address or phone number.) You don't have a good perspective if you don't know people outside your own group.
Are you drunk? Seriously, I don't know any other way to interpret your message. The first sentence of your message that I deleted claimed to describe my "previous' view of the events at the zoo but was totally wrong. I could understand you guys getting things wrong if there weren't a written record of it. But, read the damn thread. Then, you can say "you said such and such on page x". Instead, you just make things up.
Totally trashed right now. So please humor me: what did I say about you that was untruthful? Please feel free to use quotes of mine from the message you deleted. Do we need to quote you verbatim from now on and not paraphrase lest we risk deletion?
jsteele
05/09/2014 21:59
Subject: Another shooting near the National Zoo
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wow, Jeff. What happened to my email where I said "Jeff changes his story"? My viewpoint must be pretty scary if you need to remove my posts. Would love to chat someday. My guess is that I have way more friends who are socioeconomically less fortunate and/or minorities than you. Bet that would blow your mind. Feel free to remove this post too
I was pretty clear above that if you are not truthful about me, I will delete the message. Of course I can't have a chat with you because you only sling mud while staying anonymous. Next you will tell me that some of your best friends are black.
What did I say that was untruthful? Would be impressed if you could name one thing. Literally identify one thing.
If you don't have any black or minority friends, maybe you are part of the problem. (Would be happy to introduce you to other people. Will send you my email address or phone number.) You don't have a good perspective if you don't know people outside your own group.
You do understand that the only reason you make money is because the collective "we" are anonymous, right? If you would like me to purchase your business at the price of my losing my anonymity and you gaining it, let's do it! I'm ready! You can post anonymously to your heart's content!
You are doing nothing to dissuade me that you are not drunk. You should try replying to my post if you want to reply to me.
jsteele
05/09/2014 21:58
Subject: Another shooting near the National Zoo
Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wow, Jeff. What happened to my email where I said "Jeff changes his story"? My viewpoint must be pretty scary if you need to remove my posts. Would love to chat someday. My guess is that I have way more friends who are socioeconomically less fortunate and/or minorities than you. Bet that would blow your mind. Feel free to remove this post too
I was pretty clear above that if you are not truthful about me, I will delete the message. Of course I can't have a chat with you because you only sling mud while staying anonymous. Next you will tell me that some of your best friends are black.
Why do you get to decide truth? Perhaps that's the PP's opinion?
You do have a tendency to delete things you personally see as untruthful without considering that other people have opinions that are different than yours. You feel that anyone who feels Benghazi needs further investigation is a conspiracy theorist. I could consider that a lie. But really, it's just an opinion.
Yes, I understand your position that there are no such things as facts and that you can simply claim something if you "feel" it to be true. But, if I say one thing, and someone claims that I said another, that person is wrong. It doesn't matter how they "feel". The poster didn't say her opinion was x, y, or z. She said that I said something I didn't say. Only a lunatic such as yourself would bring Benghazi into a zoo thread. But, then, you would probably bring it into a breastfeeding thread as well. Breastghazi!
Anonymous
05/09/2014 21:54
Subject: Another shooting near the National Zoo
jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wow, Jeff. What happened to my email where I said "Jeff changes his story"? My viewpoint must be pretty scary if you need to remove my posts. Would love to chat someday. My guess is that I have way more friends who are socioeconomically less fortunate and/or minorities than you. Bet that would blow your mind. Feel free to remove this post too
I was pretty clear above that if you are not truthful about me, I will delete the message. Of course I can't have a chat with you because you only sling mud while staying anonymous. Next you will tell me that some of your best friends are black.
Why do you get to decide truth? Perhaps that's the PP's opinion?
You do have a tendency to delete things you personally see as untruthful without considering that other people have opinions that are different than yours. You feel that anyone who feels Benghazi needs further investigation is a conspiracy theorist. I could consider that a lie. But really, it's just an opinion.
Anonymous
05/09/2014 21:51
Subject: Another shooting near the National Zoo
Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wow, Jeff. What happened to my email where I said "Jeff changes his story"? My viewpoint must be pretty scary if you need to remove my posts. Would love to chat someday. My guess is that I have way more friends who are socioeconomically less fortunate and/or minorities than you. Bet that would blow your mind. Feel free to remove this post too
I was pretty clear above that if you are not truthful about me, I will delete the message. Of course I can't have a chat with you because you only sling mud while staying anonymous. Next you will tell me that some of your best friends are black.
What did I say that was untruthful? Would be impressed if you could name one thing. Literally identify one thing.
If you don't have any black or minority friends, maybe you are part of the problem. (Would be happy to introduce you to other people. Will send you my email address or phone number.) You don't have a good perspective if you don't know people outside your own group.
You do understand that the only reason you make money is because the collective "we" are anonymous, right? If you would like me to purchase your business at the price of my losing my anonymity and you gaining it, let's do it! I'm ready! You can post anonymously to your heart's content!
jsteele
05/09/2014 21:47
Subject: Another shooting near the National Zoo
Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wow, Jeff. What happened to my email where I said "Jeff changes his story"? My viewpoint must be pretty scary if you need to remove my posts. Would love to chat someday. My guess is that I have way more friends who are socioeconomically less fortunate and/or minorities than you. Bet that would blow your mind. Feel free to remove this post too
I was pretty clear above that if you are not truthful about me, I will delete the message. Of course I can't have a chat with you because you only sling mud while staying anonymous. Next you will tell me that some of your best friends are black.
What did I say that was untruthful? Would be impressed if you could name one thing. Literally identify one thing.
If you don't have any black or minority friends, maybe you are part of the problem. (Would be happy to introduce you to other people. Will send you my email address or phone number.) You don't have a good perspective if you don't know people outside your own group.
Are you drunk? Seriously, I don't know any other way to interpret your message. The first sentence of your message that I deleted claimed to describe my "previous' view of the events at the zoo but was totally wrong. I could understand you guys getting things wrong if there weren't a written record of it. But, read the damn thread. Then, you can say "you said such and such on page x". Instead, you just make things up.
Anonymous
05/09/2014 21:38
Subject: Another shooting near the National Zoo
jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wow, Jeff. What happened to my email where I said "Jeff changes his story"? My viewpoint must be pretty scary if you need to remove my posts. Would love to chat someday. My guess is that I have way more friends who are socioeconomically less fortunate and/or minorities than you. Bet that would blow your mind. Feel free to remove this post too
I was pretty clear above that if you are not truthful about me, I will delete the message. Of course I can't have a chat with you because you only sling mud while staying anonymous. Next you will tell me that some of your best friends are black.
What did I say that was untruthful? Would be impressed if you could name one thing. Literally identify one thing.
If you don't have any black or minority friends, maybe you are part of the problem. (Would be happy to introduce you to other people. Will send you my email address or phone number.) You don't have a good perspective if you don't know people outside your own group.
Anonymous
05/09/2014 21:30
Subject: Another shooting near the National Zoo
Anonymous wrote:Wow, Jeff. What happened to my email where I said "Jeff changes his story"? My viewpoint must be pretty scary if you need to remove my posts. Would love to chat someday. My guess is that I have way more friends who are socioeconomically less fortunate and/or minorities than you. Bet that would blow your mind. Feel free to remove this post too
Oops. Not an "email". It was a post on this thread. I'm an old, apparently.
jsteele
05/09/2014 21:29
Subject: Another shooting near the National Zoo
Anonymous wrote:Wow, Jeff. What happened to my email where I said "Jeff changes his story"? My viewpoint must be pretty scary if you need to remove my posts. Would love to chat someday. My guess is that I have way more friends who are socioeconomically less fortunate and/or minorities than you. Bet that would blow your mind. Feel free to remove this post too
I was pretty clear above that if you are not truthful about me, I will delete the message. Of course I can't have a chat with you because you only sling mud while staying anonymous. Next you will tell me that some of your best friends are black.
Anonymous
05/09/2014 21:04
Subject: Another shooting near the National Zoo
Wow, Jeff. What happened to my email where I said "Jeff changes his story"? My viewpoint must be pretty scary if you need to remove my posts. Would love to chat someday. My guess is that I have way more friends who are socioeconomically less fortunate and/or minorities than you. Bet that would blow your mind. Feel free to remove this post too 
Anonymous
05/09/2014 20:43
Subject: Re:Another shooting near the National Zoo
Let's be honest - dispense with the talk about "family freindly neighborhoods" "more police resources" blah blah. The truth of the matter is that, although this was violence between folks from other neighborhoods, the upper SES White folks in Woodley Park are disturbed that they got a taste of something that normally occurs in other places in the District.
Also, remember that this incident and other violence in recent years took place at or outside the National Zoo, part of the Smithsonian. It is not the DC Zoo (arguably that moniker should grace the District Building. )
Easter Monday may be a local tradition for some, but the Zoo belongs to (and is paid for by) all of the American people and is one of the region's biggest tourist attractions. All visitors, whether from Washington, the rest of the country or elsewhere, have the right to expect a safe atmosphere for themselves and their families and friends. It is not us to any of us to minimize concerns over safety at the Zoo and the surrounding area because there is violence in other parts of the city. A family friendly zoo is not just right, it's economically smart. Last year visitors pumped $6.7 billion into the city's economy, which fuels a lot of jobs. Many of those visitors went to the Zoo. Let's address the violence before it becomes a reason for them to stay away.
Anonymous
05/09/2014 20:29
Subject: Another shooting near the National Zoo
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:I hate to bother you, but I'd love to know.
I'm sure that bothering me is the least of your concerns. But, here are two posts from this thread:
http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/240/379308.page#5054348
http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/240/379308.page#5054701
Thank you, as I am interested in your solutions to the problem. I'll read the links as soon as I'm able. Thanks again.
PP here. I read them and I do recall these posts. I was, however, hoping for something a bit more concrete, beyond let's monitor social sites and make a list of lessons learned.
If you were chief, what measures would you implement for next year's event?
You must not have read very carefully. The event is not for another year. There is no reason to act now while information about the event is still being gathered. A youth was arrested for the shooting. A full report on what the police learned from him has not been made public. I also do not have access to police internal accounts which would reveal which of their procedures failed and which were successful. If I were chief, I would wait until I have that information as well as advise from other stakeholders. Then, I would implement appropriate procedures. I know that many posters such as yourself want an immediate answer. It would be foolish to make decisions now that do not have to be made now.
A somewhat unrelated, but still somewhat related matter involves the groups of kids who were involved. The original media reports focused on two groups from SE. The Post called them "gangs", but I am not sure that it the proper term. DC tends to have "crews" rather than "gangs". So, I'm just going to use the neutral term "groups". Anyway, the Post described how Good Hope Road was the divider between these two groups' territories. The guy who was arrested for doing the shooting is from SW. So, it could be that the April 14 and April 21 incidents were not related.
At any rate, more knowledge is almost al
ways better then less knowledge. There is no imperative to make decisions this week. Why would you want to?
With any and all due respect, there is NO "immediate answer." Let's not kid ourselves. The expanding teen rage and resulting violence is only one consequence of deep rooted severe problems that have been ignored far too long. Slapping another bandaid onto a hemoraging generation may be better than nothing, but it will never really reduce the bloodshed, nor the trauma inflicted on Washington by its own.
Clearly the media has narrowed down this problem. Two known "groups" (since we are fighting over what to call them) have been identified as behind the fight.
Next, if MPD does not have a gang unit, they need to form one. Identify all similar "groups" identified in D.C. Since the WaPo mentions that these "groups" extend into PG, obviously MPD needs to work with anti gang units in PG.
Once the groups are ID'ed, they need to create a photo "census" of the groups by obtaining mug shots or other photos of every single member. Combing social media could help with obtaining this intelligence.
Next, use facial recognition software with METRO cameras to track the members on the day of the event. Any members caught headed to the zoo could be temporarily "detained" for questioning by Metro PD or MPD. For officer security, the individuals could be searched for weapons as part of the stop.
For group members travelling by car, the MPD could be given photos of prime suspects; videos using facial recogninition software could be set up along sidewalks leading into to the zoo and suspects intercepted before they get to the park.
We have the technology. We can stop these individuals and make the even safe again.
We have the technology. What DC doesn't have is the will. Why that is, is speculation. Maybe they don't want to admit to a problem. Maybe it is politically incorrect to discuss what to do about it.
Anonymous
05/09/2014 20:25
Subject: Another shooting near the National Zoo
Kind of like tough love. You gotta do some hard work here. And yes, some will kick and scream about it.
jsteele
05/09/2014 18:31
Subject: Another shooting near the National Zoo
Anonymous wrote:My guess is the Woodley Park people don"t want gang activity in their neighborhood. Why should they?
Can you tell me which neighborhood wants gang activity?
I don't think anybody is suggesting people in Woodley Park should welcome or even accept crime. There is simply disagreement over which steps are appropriate. Ending a tradition that is more than 100 years old because of two gun incidents over 15 years doesn't seem appropriate to many.