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Anonymous wrote:We have an obesity epidemic, especially among lower income. There isn’t food scarcity, there is food over abundance.

Healthy food is expensive. Unhealthy, preservative-laden foods are cheaper. Plus poor people often lack access to good grocery stores, along with often suffering from stress, lack of sleep, lack of access to healthcare and many other issues that contribute to poor health which can also lead to obesity.

Basic heathy food is not expensive, nor is it elusive. Next excuse?

The only way to become obese is to consume an excess of calories, continuously, over a long period of time. Hard to buy the narrative we have so many starving people that are 50+ lbs overweight

Your assignment for today - drive to inner city and walk to closest corner store. Buy $20 worth of healthy food.
Drive to rural area and find small market and buy $20 worth of healthy food. Report back.

DP. What’s your point?
Food costs less in suburban and rural areas, but the wages are also lower in rural areas and urban areas have higher wages and more opportunities.

The same laws of supply and demand apply either way. The stores sell what people will buy.
The problem is 100% cultural.
Healthy diets can be easily based on rice, beans, tortillas, potatoes. Add in some veggies. Eggs, chicken, and ground beef provide a lot of nutritional bang for the buck. Apples, carrots, and cabbage keep well and do not cost that much.
Again, 100% cultural that people buy bags of cookies and chips instead of real food.
Don’t know how to cook? Learn.

If you’d done the assignment, you find few of those products in the stores I mentioned. It’s a loss to a small store owner, who would have to pay to purchase and power refrigerator and freezers.
I can’t believe the ignorance shown on this thread. Refusing to go and find out for yourself. You scared of the inner city? Scared of rural hick America?

I’ve been many places.
But why on earth would I want to go to the inner city? I don’t need to go there. I believe you that fresh produce is harder to find there, but it is 100% because of supply and demand and culture. Also, even the processed crap at those corner stores is not cheap!

When I lived in Korea, it was hard to find American peanut butter, and when I did find it (usually alongside a small selection of American and British foods) it was expensive. This does not mean there was a vast conspiracy to make it difficult for me to buy peanut butter. It simply means it was not a popular product and therefore more expensive to sell. There is also no vast conspiracy to suppress low income people here by denying them vegetables.

I do a lot of shopping at Aldi, Walmart, and international groceries. I’ve noticed many different immigrants who probably don’t have much money and yet fill their baskets with vegetables and fruit and meat. Go to the international market and you’ll see. Unfortunately, many of them eventually adopt American diets and then they suffer.

Also, there is nothing wrong with frozen vegetables. Aldi literally has them for a dollar a bag. I am not poor anymore but I have been poor, and have relatives who subsist on very little money, but don’t eat processed garbage. Unless you are truly in the bottom 1% and living under a bridge I am sorry but no excuses.

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Anonymous wrote:We have an obesity epidemic, especially among lower income. There isn’t food scarcity, there is food over abundance.

Healthy food is expensive. Unhealthy, preservative-laden foods are cheaper. Plus poor people often lack access to good grocery stores, along with often suffering from stress, lack of sleep, lack of access to healthcare and many other issues that contribute to poor health which can also lead to obesity.

Basic heathy food is not expensive, nor is it elusive. Next excuse?

The only way to become obese is to consume an excess of calories, continuously, over a long period of time. Hard to buy the narrative we have so many starving people that are 50+ lbs overweight

Everyone ignore the dumb MAGA-they have no critical thinking skills.

Please provide some evidence that suggestions people that can afford to overeat to the tune of being obese somehow cannot afford anything heathy. It’s been listed all the of the heathy options that are available at local Walmart that are very cheap. People would rather spend their money on crap. That’s the truth

What does this have to do with SNAP?

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Anonymous wrote:We have an obesity epidemic, especially among lower income. There isn’t food scarcity, there is food over abundance.

Healthy food is expensive. Unhealthy, preservative-laden foods are cheaper. Plus poor people often lack access to good grocery stores, along with often suffering from stress, lack of sleep, lack of access to healthcare and many other issues that contribute to poor health which can also lead to obesity.

Basic heathy food is not expensive, nor is it elusive. Next excuse?

The only way to become obese is to consume an excess of calories, continuously, over a long period of time. Hard to buy the narrative we have so many starving people that are 50+ lbs overweight

Everyone ignore the dumb MAGA-they have no critical thinking skills.

Please provide some evidence that suggestions people that can afford to overeat to the tune of being obese somehow cannot afford anything heathy. It’s been listed all the of the heathy options that are available at local Walmart that are very cheap. People would rather spend their money on crap. That’s the truth

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Anonymous wrote:We have an obesity epidemic, especially among lower income. There isn’t food scarcity, there is food over abundance.

Healthy food is expensive. Unhealthy, preservative-laden foods are cheaper. Plus poor people often lack access to good grocery stores, along with often suffering from stress, lack of sleep, lack of access to healthcare and many other issues that contribute to poor health which can also lead to obesity.

Basic heathy food is not expensive, nor is it elusive. Next excuse?

The only way to become obese is to consume an excess of calories, continuously, over a long period of time. Hard to buy the narrative we have so many starving people that are 50+ lbs overweight

Your assignment for today - drive to inner city and walk to closest corner store. Buy $20 worth of healthy food.
Drive to rural area and find small market and buy $20 worth of healthy food. Report back.

DP. What’s your point?
Food costs less in suburban and rural areas, but the wages are also lower in rural areas and urban areas have higher wages and more opportunities.

The same laws of supply and demand apply either way. The stores sell what people will buy.
The problem is 100% cultural.
Healthy diets can be easily based on rice, beans, tortillas, potatoes. Add in some veggies. Eggs, chicken, and ground beef provide a lot of nutritional bang for the buck. Apples, carrots, and cabbage keep well and do not cost that much.
Again, 100% cultural that people buy bags of cookies and chips instead of real food.
Don’t know how to cook? Learn.

Republicans of course just cut the program that taught SNAP recipients how to stretch their snap dollars farther and make healthier meals. That was one of their pay fors for more tax cuts for billionaires. Can’t even make this crap up.

We don’t need expensive programs for this. People did it for millennia.
Literally any traditional diet from any continent is better than processed crap.

First of all, people eat unhealthy food because it tastes good. It’s become a big public health problem.

I support programs like SNAP strongly but there are plenty of resources out there telling you how to cook with stuff from the Dollar Tree. Canned veggies are not unhealthy.

Rather than fight about this on the internet, which does nothing, start shopping for a food pantry along with your groceries. I usually do a canned chili, extra beans and some pasta to mix it with. Canned veg on the side. Canned fruit to go along with it.

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Anonymous wrote:We have an obesity epidemic, especially among lower income. There isn’t food scarcity, there is food over abundance.

Healthy food is expensive. Unhealthy, preservative-laden foods are cheaper. Plus poor people often lack access to good grocery stores, along with often suffering from stress, lack of sleep, lack of access to healthcare and many other issues that contribute to poor health which can also lead to obesity.

Basic heathy food is not expensive, nor is it elusive. Next excuse?

The only way to become obese is to consume an excess of calories, continuously, over a long period of time. Hard to buy the narrative we have so many starving people that are 50+ lbs overweight

Spoken like someone who doesn’t live in a food desert.

“Food desert” as a reason why people living in poor areas don’t eat healthier is a myth. Food deserts exist bc of supply and demand. When grocery stores open on “food deserts” it’s been found that people still be the same processed junk food and prepackaged foods they would have bought in other local stores- they don’t make healthier choices despite increased access to more heathy foods.

https://www.nyu.edu/about/news-publications/news/2019/december/what-really-happens-when-a-grocery-store-opens-in-a--food-desert.html

Anonymous wrote:Republicans are in charge of all branches of government right now. Can't they figure out a way to have SNAP only provide poorer people with nutritious food?

Or are you saying Republicans are too stupid to do that? Or just don't care?

Big Ag and Big Food won’t allow it to happen.

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Anonymous wrote:We have an obesity epidemic, especially among lower income. There isn’t food scarcity, there is food over abundance.

Healthy food is expensive. Unhealthy, preservative-laden foods are cheaper. Plus poor people often lack access to good grocery stores, along with often suffering from stress, lack of sleep, lack of access to healthcare and many other issues that contribute to poor health which can also lead to obesity.

Basic heathy food is not expensive, nor is it elusive. Next excuse?

The only way to become obese is to consume an excess of calories, continuously, over a long period of time. Hard to buy the narrative we have so many starving people that are 50+ lbs overweight

Everyone ignore the dumb MAGA-they have no critical thinking skills.

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Anonymous wrote:When I was in college, we had to do a poverty simulation activity. We were placed in family groups and given our family’s background and an individual role. I was the mom of two teens. The names were changed but based on real families. Without internet or a car, we were given everyday tasks such as getting kids to school, picking up paycheck and/or assistance, paying bills, buying groceries, getting kids home from school - all while factoring in public transit expenses. We also dealt with unexpected expenses such as broken fridge. We had to complete our tasks for the day without ending up in the red. Families started stealing from each other in desperation. Some families decided to move in together to save money. Some cheated. Kids ran away from home to live with another family. During the debriefing that followed, the kids reported that they had no idea what the teacher had taught. They were too stressed about whether their parents could get those groceries and bills paid and pick them up from school on time.

This activity really stuck with me. So when crime goes up next month, think about who deserves the blame and how far YOU would go to protect your family.

Poverty simulators are great. They should make Congress go through one.

For sure. Honestly, I think every high school senior should do one.

Republicans are in charge of all branches of government right now. Can't they figure out a way to have SNAP only provide poorer people with nutritious food?

Or are you saying Republicans are too stupid to do that? Or just don't care?

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Anonymous wrote:We have an obesity epidemic, especially among lower income. There isn’t food scarcity, there is food over abundance.

Healthy food is expensive. Unhealthy, preservative-laden foods are cheaper. Plus poor people often lack access to good grocery stores, along with often suffering from stress, lack of sleep, lack of access to healthcare and many other issues that contribute to poor health which can also lead to obesity.

Basic heathy food is not expensive, nor is it elusive. Next excuse?

The only way to become obese is to consume an excess of calories, continuously, over a long period of time. Hard to buy the narrative we have so many starving people that are 50+ lbs overweight

Are you an MD? Because yes, obese people can be both obese and malnourished. Even our produce is much less nutritious than it used to be. Thanks factory farming.

Also - special recognition to big business, who polluted the crap out of our soils and oceans so our kids can’t even safely eat rice and fish multiple days per week anymore.

I suggest that when you have no idea what you’re talking about, that you shut up.

Sure, but you can’t get to be obese without consuming too many calories. Our processed foods are all fortified. If you are consuming too many calories, you aren’t at risk for starvation. SNAP is supposed to be to provide nutritional foods so people can have better health. But all it’s doing is giving people at risk for being obese even more junk food that they already don’t need. It isn’t preventing starvation or improving nutrition

If we can afford to give billionaires a trillion dollar tax break that they don't need or deserve, we damn sure can afford to take care of the hungry and the sick.

This MAGA "let them eat hamburger helper" stuff is peak 2025 "let them eat cake"

Anonymous wrote:Basically Americans will twist themselves into pretzels to concoct every excuse to not cook, this is my take away from these 22 pages. Food deserts, aging, working long hours, not working enough, etc etc etc. Rest of the world has the same problems but don’t eat frozen meals, the problem is more cultural rather than economic.

You're welcome to trade places with a poor person to see how your ideas work out in practice.

I doubt you'll be so arrogant and smarmy after a few weeks.

Anonymous wrote:Basically Americans will twist themselves into pretzels to concoct every excuse to not cook, this is my take away from these 22 pages. Food deserts, aging, working long hours, not working enough, etc etc etc. Rest of the world has the same problems but don’t eat frozen meals, the problem is more cultural rather than economic.

Yep. There was a thread in off topic awhile ago where someone explained how their poor immigrant single mom managed to raise her with health home cooked foods and people took super offense to it.

What happens? The J6ers pay another visit, but this time for their grocery money.