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Anonymous wrote:I haven’t read all the comments here, but if it hasn’t been said already, I think it is good for America to have some of the brightest people around the world come and live in the USA. To spend time with Americans, to learn about our country and our ideals and take those experiences back home.

well, yeah, sure "some". The problem is that our universities have used federal dollars to bring like 27 percent (!) of Harvard's student body via international arrangements. Yes, go Google the figure. Each one of them is taking a U.S. spot. Almost all of them are either full pay or government-paid. Why? I have no idea, and I'm an angry Harvard grad.

I agree immigration, especially of highly skilled students/workers is what makes US great. However, I think with admission rates of the T50 at all time lows there is a need to limit. It is important for Americans to support institutions of higher learning and one of the reasons they don't is that they don't think their kids/grandkids have any chance to attend. Makes no sense to the average person that their local HS valedictorian with top SAT score gets shut out at all of the top schools while some of schools take 20+% international students.

I don’t understand your point. Shut out the brilliant kids from around the world in favor of MORE legacies?!? Also, you realize that just because someone is HS valedictorian, it doesn’t mean they are actually all that smart. There are way too many mediocre high schools in America where being a “top student” doesn’t mean much. At my DCs’ high school, over 80% of the students get 1550 or higher on their SATs, and the majority only take it one time. My guess is that the average student from such a HS is way more qualified than half the valedictorians in this country but probably still pales in comparison to what the rest of the world brings to the table in terms of knowledge and hard work.

I am not afraid of competition from international students, and this is how I am raising my kids too. If you are, there many other colleges for you and your offspring outside of the Top tier who would be happy to accept your “HS valedictorian.”

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I haven’t read all the comments here, but if it hasn’t been said already, I think it is good for America to have some of the brightest people around the world come and live in the USA. To spend time with Americans, to learn about our country and our ideals and take those experiences back home.

well, yeah, sure "some". The problem is that our universities have used federal dollars to bring like 27 percent (!) of Harvard's student body via international arrangements. Yes, go Google the figure. Each one of them is taking a U.S. spot. Almost all of them are either full pay or government-paid. Why? I have no idea, and I'm an angry Harvard grad.

You are ignorant. International students ARE NOT eligible for federal dollars. In order to receive Federal loans or grants, one must provide a U.S. Social Security number. ALL foreign students are either full pay or receive private loans at very high rates, often over 10%.

The majority of international students stay in the US upon graduation and contribute to the economy and brain power of our country. Do you realize how difficult it is to take the SAT/SAT II/ACT in a second or third language and still get 1580/1600, which is what a lot of international students have?!

It turns out Harvard spits out uninformed imbeciles like you too. Who would’ve known.

Universities are the back door to the domestic labor market.
In my field, architecture and engineering, there is A LOT of H1B visa exploitation. These folks aren't necessarily the best and brightest, but they are willing to be exploited with middling pay and ridiculous expectations that exceed 9-6 M-F hours. And there are a curious number of Indians who pursue Phds in architecture, I guess to prolong their stay here in the US. Really, what is the point of a phd in architecture? You either work crazy hard to claw onto your position before they boot you out for younger cheaper labor or you are a rainmaker with industry connections.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I haven’t read all the comments here, but if it hasn’t been said already, I think it is good for America to have some of the brightest people around the world come and live in the USA. To spend time with Americans, to learn about our country and our ideals and take those experiences back home.

well, yeah, sure "some". The problem is that our universities have used federal dollars to bring like 27 percent (!) of Harvard's student body via international arrangements. Yes, go Google the figure. Each one of them is taking a U.S. spot. Almost all of them are either full pay or government-paid. Why? I have no idea, and I'm an angry Harvard grad.

I agree immigration, especially of highly skilled students/workers is what makes US great. However, I think with admission rates of the T50 at all time lows there is a need to limit. It is important for Americans to support institutions of higher learning and one of the reasons they don't is that they don't think their kids/grandkids have any chance to attend. Makes no sense to the average person that their local HS valedictorian with top SAT score gets shut out at all of the top schools while some of schools take 20+% international students.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I haven’t read all the comments here, but if it hasn’t been said already, I think it is good for America to have some of the brightest people around the world come and live in the USA. To spend time with Americans, to learn about our country and our ideals and take those experiences back home.

well, yeah, sure "some". The problem is that our universities have used federal dollars to bring like 27 percent (!) of Harvard's student body via international arrangements. Yes, go Google the figure. Each one of them is taking a U.S. spot. Almost all of them are either full pay or government-paid. Why? I have no idea, and I'm an angry Harvard grad.

You are ignorant. International students ARE NOT eligible for federal dollars. In order to receive Federal loans or grants, one must provide a U.S. Social Security number. ALL foreign students are either full pay or receive private loans at very high rates, often over 10%.

The majority of international students stay in the US upon graduation and contribute to the economy and brain power of our country. Do you realize how difficult it is to take the SAT/SAT II/ACT in a second or third language and still get 1580/1600, which is what a lot of international students have?!

It turns out Harvard spits out uninformed imbeciles like you too. Who would’ve known.

Anonymous wrote:I haven’t read all the comments here, but if it hasn’t been said already, I think it is good for America to have some of the brightest people around the world come and live in the USA. To spend time with Americans, to learn about our country and our ideals and take those experiences back home.

well, yeah, sure "some". The problem is that our universities have used federal dollars to bring like 27 percent (!) of Harvard's student body via international arrangements. Yes, go Google the figure. Each one of them is taking a U.S. spot. Almost all of them are either full pay or government-paid. Why? I have no idea, and I'm an angry Harvard grad.

Anonymous wrote:Nope

Profound liberal response

Some of the posters are delusional thinking that China needs to steal our technologies. You've been to China? Know how their homemade AI has penetrated so many aspects of their everyday lives? They don't need to "steal" from us when it comes to AI. They have 5x more population and 10x more smart, college-educated engineers/scientists than US to take ML/AI to heights unseen.

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Anonymous wrote:I think that we shouldn’t be providing our best education to international students while majority of American families can’t even afford it.

And these foreign students go back to China, Russia, India etc. and use the knowledge gained in the US to make advanced AI systems to be used against us in weapons, quantum computing, espionage, IP theft etc.

We should severely limit all foreign students to about 10% of the current level and make the tuition 6 times the in-state level and not the current 2 or 3 times.

+1000

I haven’t read all the comments here, but if it hasn’t been said already, I think it is good for America to have some of the brightest people around the world come and live in the USA. To spend time with Americans, to learn about our country and our ideals and take those experiences back home.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think that we shouldn’t be providing our best education to international students while majority of American families can’t even afford it.

And these foreign students go back to China, Russia, India etc. and use the knowledge gained in the US to make advanced AI systems to be used against us in weapons, quantum computing, espionage, IP theft etc.

We should severely limit all foreign students to about 10% of the current level and make the tuition 6 times the in-state level and not the current 2 or 3 times.

You can start an university and do that. The states can have rules for their respective state universities. Private colleges however should do as they please with their PRIVATELY solicited funds.