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Anonymous wrote:I looked at Harvard Westlake's matriculation data.

Zero admits to Oxybridge in three years.

St. Andrews: 75% admit rate. They are willing to go down to as low as 3.2-3.4 GPA range.

In the 3.2-3.4 GPA range, St. Andrews' admit rate is 50%.

This is dated information, and the upward trend of H-W GPAs, applicants and offer rates by GPA tier is pretty extreme if you look across the past several years of data… it’s a microcosm of StA’s growing popularity and selectivity.

Contextually, H-W is one of the very top HS’s in the country and has long been a StA feeder. But they also have grade deflation… it’d be very interesting to see their related SAT and AP scores.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is there and LOVES it. The high number of CT acceptances reflects the high number of boarding school kids.
Most of my son's friends are Americans (about 60%-ish) but his flat mate is European and so is his girlfriend (British -gulp!)
It is a fantastic place for an independent, adventurous kid. It is academically rigourous- hard to get into from the US but Ivy-level difficult from the UK and Scotland.

I’m sorry but St Andrews is absolutely not Ivy level difficult from the UK. I should know, I went there.

So did I. I dont know how long ago you were there. But over the last few years the UCAS tariff is the highest in the UK. So yes, it is a tough admit for RUK and for the Scottish even more difficult. It is much easier for Americans and international. So yes, from a pure comparison point of view, it is one of the most difficult unis in the UK to get admitted to if your are RUK or Scottish.

Yes, that’s correct. I have three children. My eldest two applied to St Andrews, and my youngest is currently at Northwestern. We’re based in London, and all three attended boarding school.
My eldest achieved A*A*A and was accepted to St Andrews in 2016, although rejected by Oxford. 6 years later in 2022, my second applied with A*A*A* in the same subject, was rejected by St Andrews but offered a place at Oxford. My youngest didn’t perform quite as well on his A levels. He received AAA in his A-levels and chose instead to focus on American universities, preparing for the SAT and related applications. He is now in his second year at Northwestern.

It is frustrating for RUK applicants that international students appear to gain admission to St Andrews with relative ease, while our children are expected to achieve near perfect results. It’s important to remember that St Andrews is a small university, with a first-year intake of only around 2,000 students. Of those, approximately 900 places are allocated to international students, leaving around 1,100 for Scottish and RUK applicants combined. That split is roughly 50/50, meaning only about 550 places on average are available for RUK students. The competition is incredibly fierce. So the entry grades for the most popular courses are very high.

This is very frustrating. I’m from Manchester, and just moved to the US 2 years ago. A lot of Americans here take for granted how difficult it is to get an offer from St Andrew if you are English or Scottish. For most Americans that are applying to Ivy League schools or other schools in the t25 St A is a backup. I realize English unis need foreigners to complement the low tuition paid by locals, but it is infuriating. My son is going to his final year at Exeter. He wanted to go to St Andrews, but was rejected with A* A* A for Management/Econ. Only to come to the US and find out that some Americans get in with just 3 APs at 4 and a 1400 SAT. We should have moved to the US sooner for my son to apply from here. Exeter has been great, but this a little frustrating.

Did he not even get an offer? Or did he get an offer for three A* results?

No offer. Straight rejection. And he was not alone. 3 of our friends were in similar situation. Granted, their kids were applying to popular programmes like Classics/History, Economics/Math and IR. All of these 4 kids achieved A* A* A and one was A* A* A*. All rejected. All from Manchester. This is infuriating.

What are people in the UK doing with classics degrees for it to be so popular?

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is there and LOVES it. The high number of CT acceptances reflects the high number of boarding school kids.
Most of my son's friends are Americans (about 60%-ish) but his flat mate is European and so is his girlfriend (British -gulp!)
It is a fantastic place for an independent, adventurous kid. It is academically rigourous- hard to get into from the US but Ivy-level difficult from the UK and Scotland.

I’m sorry but St Andrews is absolutely not Ivy level difficult from the UK. I should know, I went there.

So did I. I dont know how long ago you were there. But over the last few years the UCAS tariff is the highest in the UK. So yes, it is a tough admit for RUK and for the Scottish even more difficult. It is much easier for Americans and international. So yes, from a pure comparison point of view, it is one of the most difficult unis in the UK to get admitted to if your are RUK or Scottish.

Yes, that’s correct. I have three children. My eldest two applied to St Andrews, and my youngest is currently at Northwestern. We’re based in London, and all three attended boarding school.
My eldest achieved A*A*A and was accepted to St Andrews in 2016, although rejected by Oxford. 6 years later in 2022, my second applied with A*A*A* in the same subject, was rejected by St Andrews but offered a place at Oxford. My youngest didn’t perform quite as well on his A levels. He received AAA in his A-levels and chose instead to focus on American universities, preparing for the SAT and related applications. He is now in his second year at Northwestern.

It is frustrating for RUK applicants that international students appear to gain admission to St Andrews with relative ease, while our children are expected to achieve near perfect results. It’s important to remember that St Andrews is a small university, with a first-year intake of only around 2,000 students. Of those, approximately 900 places are allocated to international students, leaving around 1,100 for Scottish and RUK applicants combined. That split is roughly 50/50, meaning only about 550 places on average are available for RUK students. The competition is incredibly fierce. So the entry grades for the most popular courses are very high.

This is very frustrating. I’m from Manchester, and just moved to the US 2 years ago. A lot of Americans here take for granted how difficult it is to get an offer from St Andrew if you are English or Scottish. For most Americans that are applying to Ivy League schools or other schools in the t25 St A is a backup. I realize English unis need foreigners to complement the low tuition paid by locals, but it is infuriating. My son is going to his final year at Exeter. He wanted to go to St Andrews, but was rejected with A* A* A for Management/Econ. Only to come to the US and find out that some Americans get in with just 3 APs at 4 and a 1400 SAT. We should have moved to the US sooner for my son to apply from here. Exeter has been great, but this a little frustrating.

Did he not even get an offer? Or did he get an offer for three A* results?

No offer. Straight rejection. And he was not alone. 3 of our friends were in similar situation. Granted, their kids were applying to popular programmes like Classics/History, Economics/Math and IR. All of these 4 kids achieved A* A* A and one was A* A* A*. All rejected. All from Manchester. This is infuriating.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is there and LOVES it. The high number of CT acceptances reflects the high number of boarding school kids.
Most of my son's friends are Americans (about 60%-ish) but his flat mate is European and so is his girlfriend (British -gulp!)
It is a fantastic place for an independent, adventurous kid. It is academically rigourous- hard to get into from the US but Ivy-level difficult from the UK and Scotland.

I’m sorry but St Andrews is absolutely not Ivy level difficult from the UK. I should know, I went there.

So did I. I dont know how long ago you were there. But over the last few years the UCAS tariff is the highest in the UK. So yes, it is a tough admit for RUK and for the Scottish even more difficult. It is much easier for Americans and international. So yes, from a pure comparison point of view, it is one of the most difficult unis in the UK to get admitted to if your are RUK or Scottish.

Yes, that’s correct. I have three children. My eldest two applied to St Andrews, and my youngest is currently at Northwestern. We’re based in London, and all three attended boarding school.
My eldest achieved A*A*A and was accepted to St Andrews in 2016, although rejected by Oxford. 6 years later in 2022, my second applied with A*A*A* in the same subject, was rejected by St Andrews but offered a place at Oxford. My youngest didn’t perform quite as well on his A levels. He received AAA in his A-levels and chose instead to focus on American universities, preparing for the SAT and related applications. He is now in his second year at Northwestern.

It is frustrating for RUK applicants that international students appear to gain admission to St Andrews with relative ease, while our children are expected to achieve near perfect results. It’s important to remember that St Andrews is a small university, with a first-year intake of only around 2,000 students. Of those, approximately 900 places are allocated to international students, leaving around 1,100 for Scottish and RUK applicants combined. That split is roughly 50/50, meaning only about 550 places on average are available for RUK students. The competition is incredibly fierce. So the entry grades for the most popular courses are very high.

Anonymous wrote:I looked at Harvard Westlake's matriculation data.

Zero admits to Oxybridge in three years.

St. Andrews: 75% admit rate. They are willing to go down to as low as 3.2-3.4 GPA range.

In the 3.2-3.4 GPA range, St. Andrews' admit rate is 50%.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is there and LOVES it. The high number of CT acceptances reflects the high number of boarding school kids.
Most of my son's friends are Americans (about 60%-ish) but his flat mate is European and so is his girlfriend (British -gulp!)
It is a fantastic place for an independent, adventurous kid. It is academically rigourous- hard to get into from the US but Ivy-level difficult from the UK and Scotland.

I’m sorry but St Andrews is absolutely not Ivy level difficult from the UK. I should know, I went there.

So did I. I dont know how long ago you were there. But over the last few years the UCAS tariff is the highest in the UK. So yes, it is a tough admit for RUK and for the Scottish even more difficult. It is much easier for Americans and international. So yes, from a pure comparison point of view, it is one of the most difficult unis in the UK to get admitted to if your are RUK or Scottish.

Yes, that’s correct. I have three children. My eldest two applied to St Andrews, and my youngest is currently at Northwestern. We’re based in London, and all three attended boarding school.
My eldest achieved A*A*A and was accepted to St Andrews in 2016, although rejected by Oxford. 6 years later in 2022, my second applied with A*A*A* in the same subject, was rejected by St Andrews but offered a place at Oxford. My youngest didn’t perform quite as well on his A levels. He received AAA in his A-levels and chose instead to focus on American universities, preparing for the SAT and related applications. He is now in his second year at Northwestern.

It is frustrating for RUK applicants that international students appear to gain admission to St Andrews with relative ease, while our children are expected to achieve near perfect results. It’s important to remember that St Andrews is a small university, with a first-year intake of only around 2,000 students. Of those, approximately 900 places are allocated to international students, leaving around 1,100 for Scottish and RUK applicants combined. That split is roughly 50/50, meaning only about 550 places on average are available for RUK students. The competition is incredibly fierce. So the entry grades for the most popular courses are very high.

This is very frustrating. I’m from Manchester, and just moved to the US 2 years ago. A lot of Americans here take for granted how difficult it is to get an offer from St Andrew if you are English or Scottish. For most Americans that are applying to Ivy League schools or other schools in the t25 St A is a backup. I realize English unis need foreigners to complement the low tuition paid by locals, but it is infuriating. My son is going to his final year at Exeter. He wanted to go to St Andrews, but was rejected with A* A* A for Management/Econ. Only to come to the US and find out that some Americans get in with just 3 APs at 4 and a 1400 SAT. We should have moved to the US sooner for my son to apply from here. Exeter has been great, but this a little frustrating.

Did he not even get an offer? Or did he get an offer for three A* results?

No offer. Straight rejection. And he was not alone. 3 of our friends were in similar situation. Granted, their kids were applying to popular programmes like Classics/History, Economics/Math and IR. All of these 4 kids achieved A* A* A and one was A* A* A*. All rejected. All from Manchester. This is infuriating.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is there and LOVES it. The high number of CT acceptances reflects the high number of boarding school kids.
Most of my son's friends are Americans (about 60%-ish) but his flat mate is European and so is his girlfriend (British -gulp!)
It is a fantastic place for an independent, adventurous kid. It is academically rigourous- hard to get into from the US but Ivy-level difficult from the UK and Scotland.

I’m sorry but St Andrews is absolutely not Ivy level difficult from the UK. I should know, I went there.

So did I. I dont know how long ago you were there. But over the last few years the UCAS tariff is the highest in the UK. So yes, it is a tough admit for RUK and for the Scottish even more difficult. It is much easier for Americans and international. So yes, from a pure comparison point of view, it is one of the most difficult unis in the UK to get admitted to if your are RUK or Scottish.

Yes, that’s correct. I have three children. My eldest two applied to St Andrews, and my youngest is currently at Northwestern. We’re based in London, and all three attended boarding school.
My eldest achieved A*A*A and was accepted to St Andrews in 2016, although rejected by Oxford. 6 years later in 2022, my second applied with A*A*A* in the same subject, was rejected by St Andrews but offered a place at Oxford. My youngest didn’t perform quite as well on his A levels. He received AAA in his A-levels and chose instead to focus on American universities, preparing for the SAT and related applications. He is now in his second year at Northwestern.

It is frustrating for RUK applicants that international students appear to gain admission to St Andrews with relative ease, while our children are expected to achieve near perfect results. It’s important to remember that St Andrews is a small university, with a first-year intake of only around 2,000 students. Of those, approximately 900 places are allocated to international students, leaving around 1,100 for Scottish and RUK applicants combined. That split is roughly 50/50, meaning only about 550 places on average are available for RUK students. The competition is incredibly fierce. So the entry grades for the most popular courses are very high.

This is very frustrating. I’m from Manchester, and just moved to the US 2 years ago. A lot of Americans here take for granted how difficult it is to get an offer from St Andrew if you are English or Scottish. For most Americans that are applying to Ivy League schools or other schools in the t25 St A is a backup. I realize English unis need foreigners to complement the low tuition paid by locals, but it is infuriating. My son is going to his final year at Exeter. He wanted to go to St Andrews, but was rejected with A* A* A for Management/Econ. Only to come to the US and find out that some Americans get in with just 3 APs at 4 and a 1400 SAT. We should have moved to the US sooner for my son to apply from here. Exeter has been great, but this a little frustrating.

Did he not even get an offer? Or did he get an offer for three A* results?

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is there and LOVES it. The high number of CT acceptances reflects the high number of boarding school kids.
Most of my son's friends are Americans (about 60%-ish) but his flat mate is European and so is his girlfriend (British -gulp!)
It is a fantastic place for an independent, adventurous kid. It is academically rigourous- hard to get into from the US but Ivy-level difficult from the UK and Scotland.

I’m sorry but St Andrews is absolutely not Ivy level difficult from the UK. I should know, I went there.

So did I. I dont know how long ago you were there. But over the last few years the UCAS tariff is the highest in the UK. So yes, it is a tough admit for RUK and for the Scottish even more difficult. It is much easier for Americans and international. So yes, from a pure comparison point of view, it is one of the most difficult unis in the UK to get admitted to if your are RUK or Scottish.

Yes, that’s correct. I have three children. My eldest two applied to St Andrews, and my youngest is currently at Northwestern. We’re based in London, and all three attended boarding school.
My eldest achieved A*A*A and was accepted to St Andrews in 2016, although rejected by Oxford. 6 years later in 2022, my second applied with A*A*A* in the same subject, was rejected by St Andrews but offered a place at Oxford. My youngest didn’t perform quite as well on his A levels. He received AAA in his A-levels and chose instead to focus on American universities, preparing for the SAT and related applications. He is now in his second year at Northwestern.

It is frustrating for RUK applicants that international students appear to gain admission to St Andrews with relative ease, while our children are expected to achieve near perfect results. It’s important to remember that St Andrews is a small university, with a first-year intake of only around 2,000 students. Of those, approximately 900 places are allocated to international students, leaving around 1,100 for Scottish and RUK applicants combined. That split is roughly 50/50, meaning only about 550 places on average are available for RUK students. The competition is incredibly fierce. So the entry grades for the most popular courses are very high.

This is very frustrating. I’m from Manchester, and just moved to the US 2 years ago. A lot of Americans here take for granted how difficult it is to get an offer from St Andrew if you are English or Scottish. For most Americans that are applying to Ivy League schools or other schools in the t25 St A is a backup. I realize English unis need foreigners to complement the low tuition paid by locals, but it is infuriating. My son is going to his final year at Exeter. He wanted to go to St Andrews, but was rejected with A* A* A for Management/Econ. Only to come to the US and find out that some Americans get in with just 3 APs at 4 and a 1400 SAT. We should have moved to the US sooner for my son to apply from here. Exeter has been great, but this a little frustrating.

Anonymous wrote:This is the same frustrations that some Americans have with admissions to T20 schools.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is there and LOVES it. The high number of CT acceptances reflects the high number of boarding school kids.
Most of my son's friends are Americans (about 60%-ish) but his flat mate is European and so is his girlfriend (British -gulp!)
It is a fantastic place for an independent, adventurous kid. It is academically rigourous- hard to get into from the US but Ivy-level difficult from the UK and Scotland.

I’m sorry but St Andrews is absolutely not Ivy level difficult from the UK. I should know, I went there.

So did I. I dont know how long ago you were there. But over the last few years the UCAS tariff is the highest in the UK. So yes, it is a tough admit for RUK and for the Scottish even more difficult. It is much easier for Americans and international. So yes, from a pure comparison point of view, it is one of the most difficult unis in the UK to get admitted to if your are RUK or Scottish.

Yes, that’s correct. I have three children. My eldest two applied to St Andrews, and my youngest is currently at Northwestern. We’re based in London, and all three attended boarding school.
My eldest achieved A*A*A and was accepted to St Andrews in 2016, although rejected by Oxford. 6 years later in 2022, my second applied with A*A*A* in the same subject, was rejected by St Andrews but offered a place at Oxford. My youngest didn’t perform quite as well on his A levels. He received AAA in his A-levels and chose instead to focus on American universities, preparing for the SAT and related applications. He is now in his second year at Northwestern.

It is frustrating for RUK applicants that international students appear to gain admission to St Andrews with relative ease, while our children are expected to achieve near perfect results. It’s important to remember that St Andrews is a small university, with a first-year intake of only around 2,000 students. Of those, approximately 900 places are allocated to international students, leaving around 1,100 for Scottish and RUK applicants combined. That split is roughly 50/50, meaning only about 550 places on average are available for RUK students. The competition is incredibly fierce. So the entry grades for the most popular courses are very high.

This is very frustrating. I’m from Manchester, and just moved to the US 2 years ago. A lot of Americans here take for granted how difficult it is to get an offer from St Andrew if you are English or Scottish. For most Americans that are applying to Ivy League schools or other schools in the t25 St A is a backup. I realize English unis need foreigners to complement the low tuition paid by locals, but it is infuriating. My son is going to his final year at Exeter. He wanted to go to St Andrews, but was rejected with A* A* A for Management/Econ. Only to come to the US and find out that some Americans get in with just 3 APs at 4 and a 1400 SAT. We should have moved to the US sooner for my son to apply from here. Exeter has been great, but this a little frustrating.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is there and LOVES it. The high number of CT acceptances reflects the high number of boarding school kids.
Most of my son's friends are Americans (about 60%-ish) but his flat mate is European and so is his girlfriend (British -gulp!)
It is a fantastic place for an independent, adventurous kid. It is academically rigourous- hard to get into from the US but Ivy-level difficult from the UK and Scotland.

I’m sorry but St Andrews is absolutely not Ivy level difficult from the UK. I should know, I went there.

So did I. I dont know how long ago you were there. But over the last few years the UCAS tariff is the highest in the UK. So yes, it is a tough admit for RUK and for the Scottish even more difficult. It is much easier for Americans and international. So yes, from a pure comparison point of view, it is one of the most difficult unis in the UK to get admitted to if your are RUK or Scottish.

Yes, that’s correct. I have three children. My eldest two applied to St Andrews, and my youngest is currently at Northwestern. We’re based in London, and all three attended boarding school.
My eldest achieved A*A*A and was accepted to St Andrews in 2016, although rejected by Oxford. 6 years later in 2022, my second applied with A*A*A* in the same subject, was rejected by St Andrews but offered a place at Oxford. My youngest didn’t perform quite as well on his A levels. He received AAA in his A-levels and chose instead to focus on American universities, preparing for the SAT and related applications. He is now in his second year at Northwestern.

It is frustrating for RUK applicants that international students appear to gain admission to St Andrews with relative ease, while our children are expected to achieve near perfect results. It’s important to remember that St Andrews is a small university, with a first-year intake of only around 2,000 students. Of those, approximately 900 places are allocated to international students, leaving around 1,100 for Scottish and RUK applicants combined. That split is roughly 50/50, meaning only about 550 places on average are available for RUK students. The competition is incredibly fierce. So the entry grades for the most popular courses are very high.