Anonymous
03/11/2025 08:40
Subject: Re:Trump govt is deporting Green Card holder student exercising free speech
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Any one else would describe the events as kidnapping if some one else was taken in this way
Just because you dislike what he was doing, doesn't change that fact.
Misusing the plain meaning of words doesn't help anything. An arrest by law enforcement may be legal, or illegal. It may be justified or not. It may be based on a warrant or upon probable cause. What is not is "kidnapping", by definition. If you redefine words to suit your politics, you simply reveal yourself as unserious, deluded, hysterical, and flat-out unbelievable.
He was taken
No one knew where he was
Other totalitarian regimes do this too and it's called kidnapping
English is not your native language, evident from many of your posts. Perhaps you can have someone help you write with greater clarity, using words correctly.
"Kidnapping" is triggering to you huh?
PTSD?
Anonymous
03/11/2025 08:39
Subject: Trump govt is deporting Green Card holder student exercising free speech
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:LOL.
Seriously- this guy was a few steps away from driving a stolen Uber into Times Square.
He is getting off easy. Send him back to wherever and let IDF or one of our drones deal with him.
Left is getting worked up about an agitator looking for a fight - he will get it; just out of US.
This man was a Columbia graduate with an eight months pregnant wife.
This is terrifying and no wonder we have a terror problem at all with the mentality that you just mentioned.
What if you were taken from your home at random thanks to your religion? That used to happen to Jews not even 100 years ago you know. You’re supporting a Zionist Gestapo
No equivalence. He was arrested not at random but for his conduct, not his religious affiliation. His wife's pregnancy is irrelevant to anything, as is the fact he is married, or if he had 19 children already.
You may or may not think his conduct rises to the level of a deportable offense. That's a function of the conduct and the relevant law.
It's unhelpful to make patently unsupportable and clearly wrong claims about the basis for his detention.
Arrested without a warrant?
Warrantless arrests are permissible under many circumstances.
Anonymous
03/11/2025 08:38
Subject: Re:Trump govt is deporting Green Card holder student exercising free speech
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Any one else would describe the events as kidnapping if some one else was taken in this way
Just because you dislike what he was doing, doesn't change that fact.
Misusing the plain meaning of words doesn't help anything. An arrest by law enforcement may be legal, or illegal. It may be justified or not. It may be based on a warrant or upon probable cause. What is not is "kidnapping", by definition. If you redefine words to suit your politics, you simply reveal yourself as unserious, deluded, hysterical, and flat-out unbelievable.
He was taken
No one knew where he was
Other totalitarian regimes do this too and it's called kidnapping
English is not your native language, evident from many of your posts. Perhaps you can have someone help you write with greater clarity, using words correctly.
Anonymous
03/11/2025 08:38
Subject: Trump govt is deporting Green Card holder student exercising free speech
Anonymous wrote:I have not read this entire thread, but incitement to violence and threats are not protected free speech. So it will depend on what he said/did specifically, and encouraged others to do in terms of imminent action.
He has rights separate from whatever crime you think he committed.
Still no charges so maybe it's not as clear cut as you think
This arrest and shuffling him off to Louisiana is very suspect but what to you expect from such a crap administration
Anonymous
03/11/2025 08:30
Subject: Trump govt is deporting Green Card holder student exercising free speech
I have not read this entire thread, but incitement to violence and threats are not protected free speech. So it will depend on what he said/did specifically, and encouraged others to do in terms of imminent action.
Anonymous
03/11/2025 08:28
Subject: Trump govt is deporting Green Card holder student exercising free speech
If you you disagree with the message of the KKK, but nonetheless believe that they have a right to march without being arrested, then you should be against this detention. I oh think Westboro Baptist is abhorrent, but still believe they have the right to do what they do, then you should also be against this detention.
Free speech means tolerating unwanted messages that might even be frightening or disgusting or full of hate.
Free speech means tolerating unwanted messages that might even be frightening or disgusting or full of hate.
Anonymous
03/11/2025 08:25
Subject: Trump govt is deporting Green Card holder student exercising free speech
Anonymous wrote:LOL.
Seriously- this guy was a few steps away from driving a stolen Uber into Times Square.
He is getting off easy. Send him back to wherever and let IDF or one of our drones deal with him.
Left is getting worked up about an agitator looking for a fight - he will get it; just out of US.
Yep. Kind of like the right and Ashli Babbit.
Anonymous
03/11/2025 08:19
Subject: Re:Trump govt is deporting Green Card holder student exercising free speech
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:When you are overtly advocating for violent terrorism, this is a risk. He was espousing terroristic activity. It’s literally a law.
Get your facts straight.
He never advocated for violent terrorism.
That is a LIE. Fox News told you that, right? Or Dumpus? Lies LIES LIES.
He's been arrested for exercising his First Amendment rights to speak his mind, his opinion.
DP. It's not nearly as clear cut as you suggest.
Khalil acted as a negotiator and sometimes spokesperson for CUAD (Columbia University Apartheid Divest).
CUAD explicitly and officially issued a statement supporting Hamas and 10/7. As quoted in the Times:
“We support liberation by any means necessary, including armed resistance,” the group, Columbia University Apartheid Divest, said in its statement revoking the apology.
The group marked the anniversary of the Oct. 7 attack on Israel by distributing a newspaper with a headline that used Hamas’s name for it: “One Year Since Al-Aqsa Flood, Revolution Until Victory,” it read, over a picture of Hamas fighters breaching the security fence to Israel. And the group posted an essay calling the attack a “moral, military and political victory” and quoting Ismail Haniyeh, the assassinated former political leader of Hamas.
“The Palestinian resistance is moving their struggle to a new phase of escalation and it is our duty to meet them there,” the group wrote on Oct. 7 on Telegram. “It is our duty to fight for our freedom!”
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/09/nyregion/columbia-pro-palestinian-group-hamas.html
That's pretty damning, honestly.
I hope the Democrats have enough sense not to jump into this.
Is it damning? I’m not sure if there is a law permitting deportation just for speech in support of a terrorist group.
Lots to litigate. Particularly over the rights of Permanent Residents. However, I don't think we'd be here if this person was agitating and expressing support for Canada's Liberal Party. Hamas IS a terrorist organization. It bombs, kidnaps, tortures, and murders innocent people. Its members are consumed by genocidal hate and greed. The student protesters at Columbia are very much aligned with Hamas. We see it in their slogans, their literature, their demands. Supporting Hamas is no different than supporting ISIS. Those Columbia Hamas supporters should be on a watch list. And foreign agitators on student visas should be deported. But the question is the rights of a Permanent Resident. I hope this person is not deported, because by doing so it opens up a can of worms. But you need to be pretty dumb to so publicly support an extremist Islamic terrorist organization in this day and age. There are a million ways of opposing Israel without expressing support for Hamas. But Columbia students have chosen to support terrorists, and that has real consequences.
Anonymous
03/11/2025 08:13
Subject: Re:Trump govt is deporting Green Card holder student exercising free speech
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Any one else would describe the events as kidnapping if some one else was taken in this way
Just because you dislike what he was doing, doesn't change that fact.
Misusing the plain meaning of words doesn't help anything. An arrest by law enforcement may be legal, or illegal. It may be justified or not. It may be based on a warrant or upon probable cause. What is not is "kidnapping", by definition. If you redefine words to suit your politics, you simply reveal yourself as unserious, deluded, hysterical, and flat-out unbelievable.
He was taken
No one knew where he was
Other totalitarian regimes do this too and it's called kidnapping
Can you start a new thread about the definition of kidnapping? Stop derailing this one.
Nope
I am speaking about the person who is the subject of this thread. If it triggers you so much, you can move on to your next erudite talking point. I'm sure you have a lot to say
Anonymous
03/11/2025 08:11
Subject: Re:Trump govt is deporting Green Card holder student exercising free speech
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Any one else would describe the events as kidnapping if some one else was taken in this way
Just because you dislike what he was doing, doesn't change that fact.
Misusing the plain meaning of words doesn't help anything. An arrest by law enforcement may be legal, or illegal. It may be justified or not. It may be based on a warrant or upon probable cause. What is not is "kidnapping", by definition. If you redefine words to suit your politics, you simply reveal yourself as unserious, deluded, hysterical, and flat-out unbelievable.
He was taken
No one knew where he was
Other totalitarian regimes do this too and it's called kidnapping
Can you start a new thread about the definition of kidnapping? Stop derailing this one.
Anonymous
03/11/2025 08:10
Subject: Trump govt is deporting Green Card holder student exercising free speech
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:LOL.
Seriously- this guy was a few steps away from driving a stolen Uber into Times Square.
He is getting off easy. Send him back to wherever and let IDF or one of our drones deal with him.
Left is getting worked up about an agitator looking for a fight - he will get it; just out of US.
This man was a Columbia graduate with an eight months pregnant wife.
This is terrifying and no wonder we have a terror problem at all with the mentality that you just mentioned.
What if you were taken from your home at random thanks to your religion? That used to happen to Jews not even 100 years ago you know. You’re supporting a Zionist Gestapo
No equivalence. He was arrested not at random but for his conduct, not his religious affiliation. His wife's pregnancy is irrelevant to anything, as is the fact he is married, or if he had 19 children already.
You may or may not think his conduct rises to the level of a deportable offense. That's a function of the conduct and the relevant law.
It's unhelpful to make patently unsupportable and clearly wrong claims about the basis for his detention.
Arrested without a warrant?
Anonymous
03/11/2025 08:09
Subject: Trump govt is deporting Green Card holder student exercising free speech
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:LOL.
Seriously- this guy was a few steps away from driving a stolen Uber into Times Square.
He is getting off easy. Send him back to wherever and let IDF or one of our drones deal with him.
Left is getting worked up about an agitator looking for a fight - he will get it; just out of US.
Without a warrant?
This man was a Columbia graduate with an eight months pregnant wife.
This is terrifying and no wonder we have a terror problem at all with the mentality that you just mentioned.
What if you were taken from your home at random thanks to your religion? That used to happen to Jews not even 100 years ago you know. You’re supporting a Zionist Gestapo
No equivalence. He was arrested not at random but for his conduct, not his religious affiliation. His wife's pregnancy is irrelevant to anything, as is the fact he is married, or if he had 19 children already.
You may or may not think his conduct rises to the level of a deportable offense. That's a function of the conduct and the relevant law.
It's unhelpful to make patently unsupportable and clearly wrong claims about the basis for his detention.
Anonymous
03/11/2025 08:06
Subject: Re:Trump govt is deporting Green Card holder student exercising free speech
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Any one else would describe the events as kidnapping if some one else was taken in this way
Just because you dislike what he was doing, doesn't change that fact.
Misusing the plain meaning of words doesn't help anything. An arrest by law enforcement may be legal, or illegal. It may be justified or not. It may be based on a warrant or upon probable cause. What is not is "kidnapping", by definition. If you redefine words to suit your politics, you simply reveal yourself as unserious, deluded, hysterical, and flat-out unbelievable.
He was taken
No one knew where he was
Other totalitarian regimes do this too and it's called kidnapping
Anonymous
03/11/2025 08:03
Subject: Trump govt is deporting Green Card holder student exercising free speech
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:LOL.
Seriously- this guy was a few steps away from driving a stolen Uber into Times Square.
He is getting off easy. Send him back to wherever and let IDF or one of our drones deal with him.
Left is getting worked up about an agitator looking for a fight - he will get it; just out of US.
This man was a Columbia graduate with an eight months pregnant wife.
This is terrifying and no wonder we have a terror problem at all with the mentality that you just mentioned.
What if you were taken from your home at random thanks to your religion? That used to happen to Jews not even 100 years ago you know. You’re supporting a Zionist Gestapo
No equivalence. He was arrested not at random but for his conduct, not his religious affiliation. His wife's pregnancy is irrelevant to anything, as is the fact he is married, or if he had 19 children already.
You may or may not think his conduct rises to the level of a deportable offense. That's a function of the conduct and the relevant law.
It's unhelpful to make patently unsupportable and clearly wrong claims about the basis for his detention.
Anonymous
03/11/2025 07:57
Subject: Re:Trump govt is deporting Green Card holder student exercising free speech
Anonymous wrote:Any one else would describe the events as kidnapping if some one else was taken in this way
Just because you dislike what he was doing, doesn't change that fact.
Misusing the plain meaning of words doesn't help anything. An arrest by law enforcement may be legal, or illegal. It may be justified or not. It may be based on a warrant or upon probable cause. What is not is "kidnapping", by definition. If you redefine words to suit your politics, you simply reveal yourself as unserious, deluded, hysterical, and flat-out unbelievable.