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Anonymous wrote:Do people not realize that an educated poor populace is GOOD for the country. We're all better if all of us are well educated.
Now, there will be segregation and money drained from public schools. These parents can't afford to send their students elsewhere. What do these people THINK is going to happen?

Agree. But the poor populace is currently not educated. Baltimore schools have ZERO students that are grade level proficient in math. National averages for grade level proficiency is pretty abysmal as well, with the poorest areas failing in every metric. It can’t get any worse.

Seriously? You say that not a single child in Baltimore is on grade level in math? Thousands of kids from UMC to ESL Not one, across K-12. That if the school is bad IMC parents don’t supplemt and keep their kids above grade level, so that’s how they test?

F’ing miracle my DD at a T25 college is rooming with a physics major from Baltimore who went fairly high into the Renergon awards process then, I guess.

You have zero credibility, so I stopped reading after the “no children” part.

Anonymous wrote:I don't think we need free public education at all. Get rid of child labor laws too, while at it. We won't need immigrants to pick our strawberries - kids can do that.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a former Virginian and live in Lenexa, KS - a “red” state. Trust me, we’ll do just fine if we eliminated all payments to DC to get back back funding, but with certain strings attached.

This really shouldn’t even be a political thing. My great grandmother was educated in a log cabin with a slate and chalk tablet and sharing books. She read and studied insatiably and was very well educated.

This is the plan. The poor will have log cabin schools and the wealthy will have tutors from England.

Comment of the year.

Anonymous wrote:Whatever. He will likely fail at this, just as he did in his first term.

But if he succeeds the damage done will be to schools in red states. So enjoy that I guess.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a former Virginian and live in Lenexa, KS - a “red” state. Trust me, we’ll do just fine if we eliminated all payments to DC to get back back funding, but with certain strings attached.

This really shouldn’t even be a political thing. My great grandmother was educated in a log cabin with a slate and chalk tablet and sharing books. She read and studied insatiably and was very well educated.

This is the plan. The poor will have log cabin schools and the wealthy will have tutors from England.

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Anonymous wrote:Arizona is the worst ranked state in the nation for education. Not the model the rest of the US should be looking to. https://www.12news.com/article/news/education/arizona-ranks-51st-education-survey-worst-state-country-public-education/75-b9de7076-a84b-4cc1-b439-7b56b34338ff#:~:text=A%20new%20survey%20rates%20Arizona,the%20non%2Dpartisan%20Consumer%20Affairs.

https://www.urban.org/urban-wire/how-do-states-really-stack-2015-naep

When you correct for student demographics, Arizona is 13th.

Here is the updated version of the report using 2019 data.

https://apps.urban.org/features/naep/

Florida, Texas and Mississippi 1-2-3. Arizona middle of the pack. Interesting.

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Anonymous wrote:Will this get rid of "no child left behind"?

How do you define NCLB in 2024?

NCLB expired in 2015. It exists in an extremely watered down version through ESSA. This means that the federal government doesn't hold schools accountable in any meaningful way.

https://www.understood.org/en/articles/the-difference-between-the-every-student-succeeds-act-and-no-child-left-behind

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Anonymous wrote:it would be interesting to see a study of how much of these funds are actually a fund transfer from blue states to red states who run a surplus with the federal government so it won't actually save them any money at all,just cutting off services to their citizens

The money won't go back to the blue states fyi. It will go to corporations, their shareholders and wealthy individuals. People who already have a ton of money, but want more so they are taking it from kids. Classy AF.

Without the DOE and the programs it supports, money should never leave the blue states at all. The federal government can’t fund programs it’s eliminating. So no dollars go to red or blue states. It’s just that blue states aren’t as reliant on federal funds, and will take the money they just saved by not sending anything to DOE, and end up with as much as double the funds to spend in their own states. Which would have upset me in 2016. And which I now realize is how it is, so glad my kid is a winner in this area.

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Anonymous wrote:Arizona is the worst ranked state in the nation for education. Not the model the rest of the US should be looking to. https://www.12news.com/article/news/education/arizona-ranks-51st-education-survey-worst-state-country-public-education/75-b9de7076-a84b-4cc1-b439-7b56b34338ff#:~:text=A%20new%20survey%20rates%20Arizona,the%20non%2Dpartisan%20Consumer%20Affairs.

https://www.urban.org/urban-wire/how-do-states-really-stack-2015-naep

When you correct for student demographics, Arizona is 13th.

Here is the updated version of the report using 2019 data.

https://apps.urban.org/features/naep/

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Anonymous wrote:Every single quarter, school districts must file two voluminous tomes of reports with the Department of Education and also with the Department of Commerce.

How do you think those reports get filed? You think somebody chants a spell and waves a magic wand?

It takes 800 labor hours to complete each of those reports. For the Department of Commerce, stupid stuff like how many kilowatt hours of electricity were consumed and how many gallons of water and what did they purchase and what did the sell/auction/destroy/dispose of and what assets were depreciated and how many hours did teachers, staff, administrators and other employees work and how many injuries and reported illnesses and time off and badabeebadaboo.

And that's just for the Department of Commerce quarterly report.

Do you have any idea what school districts spend on compliance?

Compliance is not optional. It's a requirement. Failure to comply invites sanctions for the school district, the State or both and the Departments of Education and Commerce have wide-ranging powers to levy sanctions.

Don't file your quarterly report with the Department of Ed? Better hope there was an earthquake, tornado or hurricane because you're gonna be fined.

The discipline section alone is a nightmare. It's no wonder schools don't want to discipline kids because you gotta spend 40 labor hours gathering the data to report a single incident.

In fact, if you bothered to read any of the reports issued by Senate and House Committees on education you'd know the States spend in excess of 50 Million labor hours to process the paperwork mandated by the federal government.

Y'all whine about teachers salaries, well end the federal mandates and there'll be tons o' money to give teachers a pay raise. In fact, you could probably increase their salaries 50% because that's how much money school districts spend to be compliant with federal mandates.

What the Department of Education does is raise the cost of education without raising student achievement.

Milton Friedman was right. Education need to be publicly funded because it's in the country's best interest but families must have choices.

To that end Arizona does it right. 90% of the money spent on your child at a public school can be used by the family to pay for a private school.

Arizona also added on-line learning to reduce costs to tax-payers.

How? These so-called autistic students are disruptive and distracting and ruin learning in the classroom because of their frequent outbursts and it costs money because school districts have to hire people to help teachers manage these autistic kids in the classroom and the autistic kids aren't learning anything.

By letting those students stay home with their care-giver who knows them way better than school staff and can supervise them properly saves school districts money and the care-giver knows when their child is "in a learning mood" and can get them online to complete tasks and assignments.

It's a win-win for everyone.

Are you kidding me? Former Arizonan with a front row seat to the dismantling of the public education system and the resulting race to the bottom. Plummeting performance, corrupt leadership of privately run charter schools making 7 figures and forcing parents to “fundraise” to tip their underpaid teachers, spending a part time job’s worth of hours to get up to speed on how to play the game and get the best education for your kid, no more neighborhood school friends because everyone drives across the city for the best school they could lottery in to…it is a depressing mess.

I was there for that too! So much corruption.

In TX we just found out that a franchised charter school can send millions of their funds to failing out of state charters. It's a literal grift

Yep. And vouchers are going to be used to support privates and Catholic schools and evangelical fundamentalist schools.

Anyone who can't already afford to attend, or doesn't want to, will be screwed. Including all the special Ed students who aren't going to be accepted at those schools.

And in all of the rural places don't have schools other than public.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every single quarter, school districts must file two voluminous tomes of reports with the Department of Education and also with the Department of Commerce.

How do you think those reports get filed? You think somebody chants a spell and waves a magic wand?

It takes 800 labor hours to complete each of those reports. For the Department of Commerce, stupid stuff like how many kilowatt hours of electricity were consumed and how many gallons of water and what did they purchase and what did the sell/auction/destroy/dispose of and what assets were depreciated and how many hours did teachers, staff, administrators and other employees work and how many injuries and reported illnesses and time off and badabeebadaboo.

And that's just for the Department of Commerce quarterly report.

Do you have any idea what school districts spend on compliance?

Compliance is not optional. It's a requirement. Failure to comply invites sanctions for the school district, the State or both and the Departments of Education and Commerce have wide-ranging powers to levy sanctions.

Don't file your quarterly report with the Department of Ed? Better hope there was an earthquake, tornado or hurricane because you're gonna be fined.

The discipline section alone is a nightmare. It's no wonder schools don't want to discipline kids because you gotta spend 40 labor hours gathering the data to report a single incident.

In fact, if you bothered to read any of the reports issued by Senate and House Committees on education you'd know the States spend in excess of 50 Million labor hours to process the paperwork mandated by the federal government.

Y'all whine about teachers salaries, well end the federal mandates and there'll be tons o' money to give teachers a pay raise. In fact, you could probably increase their salaries 50% because that's how much money school districts spend to be compliant with federal mandates.

What the Department of Education does is raise the cost of education without raising student achievement.

Milton Friedman was right. Education need to be publicly funded because it's in the country's best interest but families must have choices.

To that end Arizona does it right. 90% of the money spent on your child at a public school can be used by the family to pay for a private school.

Arizona also added on-line learning to reduce costs to tax-payers.

How? These so-called autistic students are disruptive and distracting and ruin learning in the classroom because of their frequent outbursts and it costs money because school districts have to hire people to help teachers manage these autistic kids in the classroom and the autistic kids aren't learning anything.

By letting those students stay home with their care-giver who knows them way better than school staff and can supervise them properly saves school districts money and the care-giver knows when their child is "in a learning mood" and can get them online to complete tasks and assignments.

It's a win-win for everyone.

Are you kidding me? Former Arizonan with a front row seat to the dismantling of the public education system and the resulting race to the bottom. Plummeting performance, corrupt leadership of privately run charter schools making 7 figures and forcing parents to “fundraise” to tip their underpaid teachers, spending a part time job’s worth of hours to get up to speed on how to play the game and get the best education for your kid, no more neighborhood school friends because everyone drives across the city for the best school they could lottery in to…it is a depressing mess.

I was there for that too! So much corruption.

In TX we just found out that a franchised charter school can send millions of their funds to failing out of state charters. It's a literal grift

Yep. And vouchers are going to be used to support privates and Catholic schools and evangelical fundamentalist schools.

Anyone who can't already afford to attend, or doesn't want to, will be screwed. Including all the special Ed students who aren't going to be accepted at those schools.

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Anonymous wrote:So no more special education, no more FAFSA, no more Pell Grants.

I guess the goal is to keep everyone stupid and poor.

Don't worry, the rich kids can still go to college.

That is the point.

I pre-paid both kids’ educations in a one-income family (my spouse stayed at home until the kids were in late high school) by living frugally and putting money into a 529 fund. We kept driving old cars that were paid off, and only did a couple vacations during the kids’ entire upbringing. Then they both got a lot of scholarships, so most of the 529 money is going to carry forward for grandchildren. I also don’t spend money on tobacco, cable TV or other streaming services, alcohol, or tattoos and piercings. For entertainment the kids had library cards instead of expensive gaming consoles — which probably explains the large number of scholarships.

Life is mostly about choices like that, but it’s also important to keep in mind that a college degree is not the only path to financial success. Hard work and emotional intelligence are the main drivers. My kids’ friends who got CDL licenses or who work on HVAC systems are making fantastic money right now.

I volunteer at school recruitment tables for one of our high school sports teams, and I am often approached by parents who are literally covered from head to toe in tattoos, who ask it there is funding available to help pay for equipment. I tell them that they already blew the thousands of dollars on tattoos that could have been used for their kids’ proper upbringing, so our sports team may not be the right fit for them; it’s unwise to throw good money after bad.

That’s a good, national public policy too. As the saying goes, “stupid should hurt”.

Then you must have a pretty good one income. The cost for me to prepay my kids’ education for public universities is more than $2000 a month. We live modestly and still can’t swing that. Imagine most people can’t either. Maybe don’t be so judgmental. You sound privileged.

You sound like you don’t know how to invest your money. I invested less than that per month in an aggressive Fidelity 529 as soon as the first one was born. Then ran the Fidelity 529 visa card at a zero balance, but put every living expense on it to get the % back into the college fund, which also added a bit more each year.

Your statement is a good example of how misguided the collectivists’ “privilege” mythology is. Sure, wealth is heritable, but the more important heritable trade sociometrically is common sense and emotional intelligence. The biggest key for children’s success is having a non-divorced two-parent family, with parents who have strong work ethics and emotional intelligence.

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Anonymous wrote:it would be interesting to see a study of how much of these funds are actually a fund transfer from blue states to red states who run a surplus with the federal government so it won't actually save them any money at all,just cutting off services to their citizens

The money won't go back to the blue states fyi. It will go to corporations, their shareholders and wealthy individuals. People who already have a ton of money, but want more so they are taking it from kids. Classy AF.