Anonymous wrote:Are the athletes just standing? They seemed to have walked in, and then all stood on the floor.

I hope they've been given seats!

Anonymous wrote:https://x.com/USAGym/status/1822724122951991331

A formal appeal has been made for Jordan. They're saying they have video evidence the coach was well within the minute timeline

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Anonymous wrote:It seems silly to penalize the gymnasts for a “late” appeal (by 4 seconds?) if the facts are that Chiles’s routine was improperly scored and the Romanian gymnast did not in fact step out of bounds. How is it fair to ignore what actually happened and elevate procedure over facts.

It's dumb. It sounds like the core issue is them not wanting to take accountability for messing this event up. You can't can't prioritize procedure when you haven't been following the procedure in the first place. Regardless of the ending, this has completely stained the girls experience.

I think the core issue is Sabrina, the 2nd Romanian gymnast, is in the middle of them at 4th place while Jordan is now in 5th. They docked a point for stepping out of bounds even though Sabrina didn't. The Romanians asked for the wrong inquiry and then denied her appeal. If they looked at Sabrina's appeal then all three girls may have shared.

This may be part of it but I actually think the core issue comes down to the judges making a series of errors in a medal event that impacted the outcome. None of the athletes or their teams or countries are asking for anyone to be stripped of a medal -- everyone is simply advocating for their score to accurately reflect their performance at the event.

The problem is a lack of accountability from the authorities in question. The judges will not take accountability for their mistakes and especially regarding Sabrina's neutral deduction will not even say what the deduction was for. The Court of Arbitration for Sport voided Chile's appeal but took no opinion on what the final order should be or what should happen with the bronze medal. FIG then said that as a result of the ruling the order would be Barbusa then Sabrina then Jordan. But it's the IOC who has said that Chiles must return the bronze and that they will then award it to Barbusa. So no one is in charge and they are all just doing what the "facts" dictate except that the "facts" are being determined by multiple erroneous judging decisions and two technicalities regarding appealing those errors.

This story is all about the judges and ruling bodies screwing up and playing CYA while the athletes pay the price.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems silly to penalize the gymnasts for a “late” appeal (by 4 seconds?) if the facts are that Chiles’s routine was improperly scored and the Romanian gymnast did not in fact step out of bounds. How is it fair to ignore what actually happened and elevate procedure over facts.

It's dumb. It sounds like the core issue is them not wanting to take accountability for messing this event up. You can't can't prioritize procedure when you haven't been following the procedure in the first place. Regardless of the ending, this has completely stained the girls experience.

I think the core issue is Sabrina, the 2nd Romanian gymnast, is in the middle of them at 4th place while Jordan is now in 5th. They docked a point for stepping out of bounds even though Sabrina didn't. The Romanians asked for the wrong inquiry and then denied her appeal. If they looked at Sabrina's appeal then all three girls may have shared.

This may be part of it but I actually think the core issue comes down to the judges making a series of errors in a medal event that impacted the outcome. None of the athletes or their teams or countries are asking for anyone to be stripped of a medal -- everyone is simply advocating for their score to accurately reflect their performance at the event.

The problem is a lack of accountability from the authorities in question. The judges will not take accountability for their mistakes and especially regarding Sabrina's neutral deduction will not even say what the deduction was for. The Court of Arbitration for Sport voided Chile's appeal but took no opinion on what the final order should be or what should happen with the bronze medal. FIG then said that as a result of the ruling the order would be Barbusa then Sabrina then Jordan. But it's the IOC who has said that Chiles must return the bronze and that they will then award it to Barbusa. So no one is in charge and they are all just doing what the "facts" dictate except that the "facts" are being determined by multiple erroneous judging decisions and two technicalities regarding appealing those errors.

This story is all about the judges and ruling bodies screwing up and playing CYA while the athletes pay the price.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems silly to penalize the gymnasts for a “late” appeal (by 4 seconds?) if the facts are that Chiles’s routine was improperly scored and the Romanian gymnast did not in fact step out of bounds. How is it fair to ignore what actually happened and elevate procedure over facts.

It's dumb. It sounds like the core issue is them not wanting to take accountability for messing this event up. You can't can't prioritize procedure when you haven't been following the procedure in the first place. Regardless of the ending, this has completely stained the girls experience.

I think the core issue is Sabrina, the 2nd Romanian gymnast, is in the middle of them at 4th place while Jordan is now in 5th. They docked a point for stepping out of bounds even though Sabrina didn't. The Romanians asked for the wrong inquiry and then denied her appeal. If they looked at Sabrina's appeal then all three girls may have shared.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems silly to penalize the gymnasts for a “late” appeal (by 4 seconds?) if the facts are that Chiles’s routine was improperly scored and the Romanian gymnast did not in fact step out of bounds. How is it fair to ignore what actually happened and elevate procedure over facts.

It's dumb. It sounds like the core issue is them not wanting to take accountability for messing this event up. You can't can't prioritize procedure when you haven't been following the procedure in the first place. Regardless of the ending, this has completely stained the girls experience.

I think the core issue is Sabrina, the 2nd Romanian gymnast, is in the middle of them at 4th place while Jordan is now in 5th. They docked a point for stepping out of bounds even though Sabrina didn't. The Romanians asked for the wrong inquiry and then denied her appeal. If they looked at Sabrina's appeal then all three girls may have shared.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems silly to penalize the gymnasts for a “late” appeal (by 4 seconds?) if the facts are that Chiles’s routine was improperly scored and the Romanian gymnast did not in fact step out of bounds. How is it fair to ignore what actually happened and elevate procedure over facts.

It's dumb. It sounds like the core issue is them not wanting to take accountability for messing this event up. You can't can't prioritize procedure when you haven't been following the procedure in the first place. Regardless of the ending, this has completely stained the girls experience.

Anonymous wrote:What determined the inquiry time? When the coach first gets to the judges or when they're finished giving the inquiry?

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Anonymous wrote:Bumping this because breakdancing happened. I was open to it but wow I cringed the whole time. What are the odds they pull it before the next Olympics?

It was so cringe. Not anywhere near a sport.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s the figure skating scandal again. Crooked judges.

+1 An overhaul is needed.

+2 Romanians were right and should receive the medal and Chiles should give it back.

My issue is that Romania and the US both acted within their rights to advocate for their athletes. FIG made at least two errors in their scoring. First they didn’t give Jordan credit she deserved, and then they accepted an inquiry outside the window they were allowed. It takes a lot of nerve to punish an athlete for the judges’ mistakes. There are cases to be made for any three of the athletes to receive the bronze, and the appeals will drag on. I’m in the camp that the IOC and FIG should acknowledge that THEY screwed up, and just issue medals to everyone.