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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It amazes me why so many ivies and elite schools are bad at STEM or Engineering.

Duke, Brown, Dartmouth, Yale, Harvard, Chicago collectively suck at engineering or some/all aspects of STEM.

Isn’t Duke actually pretty good at STEM? Their biomed eng is one of the best programs in the world, same with their undergrad math/statistics. And they have amazing science research. Same with Harvard, they are exceptional in the S, T, and M aspects of STEM.

They are among the tops in the world in those and also very good at applied science. Since they are right next to MIT, they don't try to duplicate engineering.

Except they just aren't among the top compared to flagship publics in engineering:

https://gsas.harvard.edu/program/engineering-and-applied-sciences

They have heavy overlap with MIT on engineering including Mechanical, Electrical, Bioengineering, Materials Science.

Harvard Engineering students can take classes at MIT.

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Anonymous wrote:Us news T25, minus UNC and Umich. Plus Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Pomona, Wellesley so 30 schools.

Just curious, why minus UNC and Mich? In my estimation they seem to be peers of UVA and a couple others in the T25

From personal experience I don't think UNC and Umich instate are hard enough to get into compared to UVa. Instate Virginia students are more prepared than Michigan and North Carolina students. I know students at Umich get rejected from Howard, and Goerge Washington. That's not happening with UVa.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It amazes me why so many ivies and elite schools are bad at STEM or Engineering.

Duke, Brown, Dartmouth, Yale, Harvard, Chicago collectively suck at engineering or some/all aspects of STEM.

Isn’t Duke actually pretty good at STEM? Their biomed eng is one of the best programs in the world, same with their undergrad math/statistics. And they have amazing science research. Same with Harvard, they are exceptional in the S, T, and M aspects of STEM.

They are among the tops in the world in those and also very good at applied science. Since they are right next to MIT, they don't try to duplicate engineering.

Except they just aren't among the top compared to flagship publics in engineering:

https://gsas.harvard.edu/program/engineering-and-applied-sciences

They have heavy overlap with MIT on engineering including Mechanical, Electrical, Bioengineering, Materials Science.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It amazes me why so many ivies and elite schools are bad at STEM or Engineering.

Duke, Brown, Dartmouth, Yale, Harvard, Chicago collectively suck at engineering or some/all aspects of STEM.

Isn’t Duke actually pretty good at STEM? Their biomed eng is one of the best programs in the world, same with their undergrad math/statistics. And they have amazing science research. Same with Harvard, they are exceptional in the S, T, and M aspects of STEM.

They are among the tops in the world in those and also very good at applied science. Since they are right next to MIT, they don't try to duplicate engineering.

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard
Yale
Stanford
Princeton
MIT
Columbia
Chicago
Northwestern
Brown
Hopkins
Caltech
Duke

Columbia and Brown are clearly top 20. Maybe not top 10? Duke also. But I suppose it all depends on the major

Well if you go by usnwr Brown is #9 so I guess that is incorrect. Columbia #12.

Some people really like USNWR's new methodology. Some don't.

Anonymous wrote:My kid could give a crap about engineering so his elite is different than a kid going for engineering. The networks in his major are critical for the T10s.

that's the thing. We looked at schools in my kid's area of interest. Top 10 programs in his field (schools have pretty much stayed ranked the same in that area for decades). It wasn't engineering so 'engineering rankings' did not matter to us. Didn't apply to any of the 'Techs' or STEM-oriented schools.

My kid could give a crap about engineering so his elite is different than a kid going for engineering. The networks in his major are critical for the T10s.

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard
Yale
Stanford
Princeton
MIT
Columbia
Chicago
Northwestern
Brown
Hopkins
Caltech
Duke

Columbia and Brown are clearly top 20. Maybe not top 10? Duke also. But I suppose it all depends on the major

Well if you go by usnwr Brown is #9 so I guess that is incorrect. Columbia #12.