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Anonymous wrote:The people who lament but what can we do are the same ones who make sure we can't do anything about it. God forbid we try to teach a kid that abstinence, monogamy and traditional marriage are the goal posts. I have a gay kid, so don't @ me. I love her and her spouse more than anything and believe they'll make wonderful parents one day. But they both grew up seeing traditional values that instilled the same beliefs - that promiscuity, and "be whatever you want to be" are not conducive to a family environment.

Gay people statistically have way higher body counts than straight people

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Anonymous wrote:People are skewing this piece in a way that is not accurate. The author mentions nothing about policies or other measures to force people to remain in toxic relationships. She specifically refers to the benefit of having two parents with healthy relationships. She also points out that her research has shown children whose mothers have only high school educations or some college, but no degree, tend to have worse outcomes than those with two parents. Of course, there are exceptions.

Is the general idea that unique challenges are associated with raising children without a partner when you have not completed a college degree that controversial?

Sounds like just another study to say that middle class kids fare better than poor kids

Anonymous wrote:People are skewing this piece in a way that is not accurate. The author mentions nothing about policies or other measures to force people to remain in toxic relationships. She specifically refers to the benefit of having two parents with healthy relationships. She also points out that her research has shown children whose mothers have only high school educations or some college, but no degree, tend to have worse outcomes than those with two parents. Of course, there are exceptions.

Is the general idea that unique challenges are associated with raising children without a partner when you have not completed a college degree that controversial?

Anonymous wrote:People are skewing this piece in a way that is not accurate. The author mentions nothing about policies or other measures to force people to remain in toxic relationships. She specifically refers to the benefit of having two parents with healthy relationships. She also points out that her research has shown children whose mothers have only high school educations or some college, but no degree, tend to have worse outcomes than those with two parents. Of course, there are exceptions.

Is the general idea that unique challenges are associated with raising children without a partner when you have not completed a college degree that controversial?

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Anonymous wrote:Society already overwhelmingly favors two-parent families in literally everything. That’s why it’s so hard to be a single parent, duh.

This.

You would the think that social pressure was enough to encourage families to stay together, but it’s not. People still choose divorce instead. Look at the advice on the relationship forum. One spouse doesn’t help with chores as much? Divorce. Not as attracted to spouse as you used to be? Divorce. Why are people voluntarily taking the hard road here if it’s so hard?

I'm glad my mom took "the hard road" and divorced my alcoholic father. I cannot imagine what would've become of my brother and I had we stayed in a house with him. Thankfully we rarely saw him after the divorce because he was drunk most of the time.

So you're making the point that it's not so hard to be a single parent? The PP above said it was. Then I guess we should't worry about whether society favors two parent households if single parents can manage as well or better on their own.

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Anonymous wrote:Society already overwhelmingly favors two-parent families in literally everything. That’s why it’s so hard to be a single parent, duh.

This.

You would the think that social pressure was enough to encourage families to stay together, but it’s not. People still choose divorce instead. Look at the advice on the relationship forum. One spouse doesn’t help with chores as much? Divorce. Not as attracted to spouse as you used to be? Divorce. Why are people voluntarily taking the hard road here if it’s so hard?

I'm glad my mom took "the hard road" and divorced my alcoholic father. I cannot imagine what would've become of my brother and I had we stayed in a house with him. Thankfully we rarely saw him after the divorce because he was drunk most of the time.

So you're making the point that it's not so hard to be a single parent? The PP above said it was. Then I guess we should't worry about whether society favors two parent households if single parents can manage as well or better on their own.

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Anonymous wrote:The traditional 2 parent family with mom and dad married, with no kids from previous relationships is no longer the norm
That has not been the norm for a long time
Ww1 wiped out numerous fathers, as did ww2
In the 60s people started to believe this could be the golden standard
Life has changed with the times and so has the definition of family and even standards for poverty

100% the norm among UC and UMC.

Coincidence?

Not really. Divorce rate for UC and UMC is around 30 percent now. Lower than the norm but it's still very common. We live in a wealthy area of Moco and the rate of people on their second (or third!) marriages or who are divorced is about 20-30%. And if you look around and think that's not the norm, it's because you have young kids. Wait until they go off to college!

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Anonymous wrote:Society already overwhelmingly favors two-parent families in literally everything. That’s why it’s so hard to be a single parent, duh.

This.

You would the think that social pressure was enough to encourage families to stay together, but it’s not. People still choose divorce instead. Look at the advice on the relationship forum. One spouse doesn’t help with chores as much? Divorce. Not as attracted to spouse as you used to be? Divorce. Why are people voluntarily taking the hard road here if it’s so hard?

I'm glad my mom took "the hard road" and divorced my alcoholic father. I cannot imagine what would've become of my brother and I had we stayed in a house with him. Thankfully we rarely saw him after the divorce because he was drunk most of the time.

So you're making the point that it's not so hard to be a single parent? The PP above said it was. Then I guess we should't worry about whether society favors two parent households if single parents can manage as well or better on their own.

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Anonymous wrote:Society already overwhelmingly favors two-parent families in literally everything. That’s why it’s so hard to be a single parent, duh.

This.

You would the think that social pressure was enough to encourage families to stay together, but it’s not. People still choose divorce instead. Look at the advice on the relationship forum. One spouse doesn’t help with chores as much? Divorce. Not as attracted to spouse as you used to be? Divorce. Why are people voluntarily taking the hard road here if it’s so hard?

I'm glad my mom took "the hard road" and divorced my alcoholic father. I cannot imagine what would've become of my brother and I had we stayed in a house with him. Thankfully we rarely saw him after the divorce because he was drunk most of the time.

So you're making the point that it's not so hard to be a single parent? The PP above said it was. Then I guess we should't worry about whether society favors two parent households if single parents can manage as well or better on their own.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Society already overwhelmingly favors two-parent families in literally everything. That’s why it’s so hard to be a single parent, duh.

This.

You would the think that social pressure was enough to encourage families to stay together, but it’s not. People still choose divorce instead. Look at the advice on the relationship forum. One spouse doesn’t help with chores as much? Divorce. Not as attracted to spouse as you used to be? Divorce. Why are people voluntarily taking the hard road here if it’s so hard?

I'm glad my mom took "the hard road" and divorced my alcoholic father. I cannot imagine what would've become of my brother and I had we stayed in a house with him. Thankfully we rarely saw him after the divorce because he was drunk most of the time.

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Anonymous wrote:Society already overwhelmingly favors two-parent families in literally everything. That’s why it’s so hard to be a single parent, duh.

This.

You would the think that social pressure was enough to encourage families to stay together, but it’s not. People still choose divorce instead. Look at the advice on the relationship forum. One spouse doesn’t help with chores as much? Divorce. Not as attracted to spouse as you used to be? Divorce. Why are people voluntarily taking the hard road here if it’s so hard?

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Anonymous wrote:The traditional 2 parent family with mom and dad married, with no kids from previous relationships is no longer the norm
That has not been the norm for a long time
Ww1 wiped out numerous fathers, as did ww2
In the 60s people started to believe this could be the golden standard
Life has changed with the times and so has the definition of family and even standards for poverty

WWI and WWII wiped out potential fathers. Not actual fathers. What exactly do you think the baby boom was? Also, is the new norm better or worse for children? Are they thriving under this new norm?

You guys are insane. If you think pre-World War I women, we’re not marrying second and third husband.. women weren’t even allowed to own their own property. When a man died, they had to marry someone in order to keep their property.

So yeah, this is not knew that women forced to marry men, and be married because of the way the institution to set up.

What are you even talking about? Married men with children weren't sent to the front lines. The younger single men were. You need to open a history book. You said WWI and WWII wiped out fathers. That's totally false, they were often exempt from service.

Married men with children were sent to the frontlines, as well as old men
Some allied nations did not have to call up old men or married men, but in Europe there was no alternative.
Don’t think that the way things were in USA was universal

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The traditional 2 parent family with mom and dad married, with no kids from previous relationships is no longer the norm
That has not been the norm for a long time
Ww1 wiped out numerous fathers, as did ww2
In the 60s people started to believe this could be the golden standard
Life has changed with the times and so has the definition of family and even standards for poverty

WWI and WWII wiped out potential fathers. Not actual fathers. What exactly do you think the baby boom was? Also, is the new norm better or worse for children? Are they thriving under this new norm?

You guys are insane. If you think pre-World War I women, we’re not marrying second and third husband.. women weren’t even allowed to own their own property. When a man died, they had to marry someone in order to keep their property.

So yeah, this is not knew that women forced to marry men, and be married because of the way the institution to set up.

What are you even talking about? Married men with children weren't sent to the front lines. The younger single men were. You need to open a history book. You said WWI and WWII wiped out fathers. That's totally false, they were often exempt from service.