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Ha that’s funny. The PARCC is actually fairly rigorous and it’s not easy to get a 5. Remember Arne Duncan’s controversial comment on soccer moms being upset that their kids weren’t as brilliant and schools weren’t as special as they thought???

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Anonymous wrote:Is there anything that says what school these PARCC 5s are at?

It’s funny that there are like 1 million rows in that spreadsheet but key markers of success aren’t collated.

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Anonymous wrote:And if you want to know where BASIS pulls from, https://dme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dme/page_content/attachments/SY2122_Public%20School%20Enrollments%20per%20DCPS%20Boundary_0.xlsx

25 kids from Deal boundary
17 kids from Hardy boundary
11 kids from Maury boundary
15 kids from SWW@FS boundary
33 kids from J-R boundary

So let's not be saying that BASIS doesn't pull from high-income areas. And those are just the schools with 10 or more kids at BASIS.

It's true that BASIS pulls kids from EOTR, but so does Deal.

Did you think no one was familiar with the data and would notice you ae playing games and cherry picking?

There are almost as many kids IB from Eastern as the entire group you cherry picked. 20% of the HS kids are from JR. 15% of the MS (excluding 5th grade, obv) is from Deal and Hardy. Your cherry picked group is less than 100 out of 650 enrolled.

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Anacostia High School 12
Dunbar High School 31
Eastern High School 80
Roosevelt High School 14
Brookland Middle School 10
Eliot-Hine Middle School 36
Hardy Middle School 17
Hart Middle School 11
Ida B. Wells Middle School 14
Jefferson Middle School Academy 47
Kelly Miller Middle School 11
MacFarland Middle School 28
McKinley Middle School 10
Sousa Middle School 11
Stuart-Hobson Middle School 54

So BASIS pulls from all these areas and STILL has only 7% overall "at risk" for their total population. Why is that? This just proves the self-selection point.

8%.

Janney has less than 1% at risk. Why don’t you go picket them?

Because they aren't claiming that it's the result of "100% pure lottery!!!!!". Nor do they refuse to backfill.

They won’t let in out of bounds!!!! Bus the kids in now!!!!

I guess it's because I feel like Janney is what it is, it's not trying to convince people it's anything other than a vast-majority-high-income school that performs as expected for its demographics. Unlike BASIS which wants to claim "100% pure lottery" (which is itself disingenuous when sibling preference and the Equitable Action preference at other schools skews things), and then pretend that their policies and poor retention don't have any impact on their demographics. And then likes to compare to schools with different policies and different demographics and claim victory without acknowledging those differences. Rigor!

I’ll say the quiet part out loud, demographics/SES play a large factor in student success and since we are UMC but are unwilling to be house poor and move inbounds for an Upper NW school, we opted for BASIS which has similar demographics. We understand that our child would do well in any school, and “rigor” is just another term associated with higher SES.

Schools with high UMC kids should be showing at least 90% of the student body as achieving +5s. I'm really irritated by the fact that +5 percentages aren't broken out. What is the point of this??

Ha that’s funny. The PARCC is actually fairly rigorous and it’s not easy to get a 5. Remember Arne Duncan’s controversial comment on soccer moms being upset that their kids weren’t as brilliant and schools weren’t as special as they thought???

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For 2021-22, in the whole city there were only 18 ninth graders who scored a “5” on math. The PP expecting “at least 90% of the student body” to get a 5 merely based on demographics is way off base.

That's incomplete since it leaves out kids who are taking geometry in 8th (and hence Geometry PARCC in 8th) and do not take any math PARCC in 9th. But still that's 50-60 kids at most and about half might have scored a 5.

While only tangentially related, there are hardly any kids in DCPS or DCPCS who score high enough in the AMC-10/12 series to qualify for AIME (American Invitational Mathematics Exam), not to mention USA(J)MO. So demographics alone doesn't ensure high scores in math.

Are there any kids in DC publics taking the AMC-10/12 series? If the exams aren't given, how would they get invited?

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Anonymous wrote:Per PP's helpful analysis of the top schools in DC for ELA and Math, it looks like Deal academically comes out on top for middle school. I guess the fights, drugs and other dysfunction I hear about on DCUM isn't affecting kids academically? I know that came across sounding snarky, but it's not intended to. I'm a parent with children IB for Deal (in the future) that has concerns when reading DCUM, but these PARCC results seem to tell another story.

+1, Deal looks good and performance is really not different than BASIS

That is incorrect.

You have to look at scores after kids have been at Basis and Deal for a few years. Those show that Basis outperforms Deal and every other school in DC:

8th grade

ELA

Basis 91.56
Deal 77.63
Latin 74.73

Math

Basis 63.85
Deal 61.72
Latin 44.21

In fact, since Basis continues through high school, Basis' scores go even higher and are roughly comparable with Walls (a selective school), outperforming every other school in DC:

High school

ELA

Walls 94.07
Basis 92.06
Latin 70.71
J-R 57.54

Math

Walls 67.44
Basis 66.12
Latin 30.47
J-R 25.00

You mean, after BASIS has attritioned out the lower-performing kids, which IB schools can't do.

Nope.

First, attrition isn't a verb.

Second, Basis doesn't socially promote or backfill. But it certainly doesn't "attrition" out kids, whatever that means.

Third, kids leave Basis for different reasons, and some top-performing kids at Basis decamp for Top 3 and other privates, Walls, or leave DC to go to TJ or other schools. So, sure, some low-performing kids drop out, but some high-performing ones do as well, and neither group gets replaced.

Fourth, IB schools get new students, both low-performing and high-performing, every year. If they are in a wealthy area of DC with high-housing costs, they will gain plenty of high-performing UMC students to replace people who dropped out or left.

I see transfers from BASIS and usually students who need supports-signed teacher from an area middle school.

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Anonymous wrote:Per PP's helpful analysis of the top schools in DC for ELA and Math, it looks like Deal academically comes out on top for middle school. I guess the fights, drugs and other dysfunction I hear about on DCUM isn't affecting kids academically? I know that came across sounding snarky, but it's not intended to. I'm a parent with children IB for Deal (in the future) that has concerns when reading DCUM, but these PARCC results seem to tell another story.

+1, Deal looks good and performance is really not different than BASIS

That is incorrect.

You have to look at scores after kids have been at Basis and Deal for a few years. Those show that Basis outperforms Deal and every other school in DC:

8th grade

ELA

Basis 91.56
Deal 77.63
Latin 74.73

Math

Basis 63.85
Deal 61.72
Latin 44.21

In fact, since Basis continues through high school, Basis' scores go even higher and are roughly comparable with Walls (a selective school), outperforming every other school in DC:

High school

ELA

Walls 94.07
Basis 92.06
Latin 70.71
J-R 57.54

Math

Walls 67.44
Basis 66.12
Latin 30.47
J-R 25.00

You mean, after BASIS has attritioned out the lower-performing kids, which IB schools can't do.

Nope.

First, attrition isn't a verb.

Second, Basis doesn't socially promote or backfill. But it certainly doesn't "attrition" out kids, whatever that means.

Third, kids leave Basis for different reasons, and some top-performing kids at Basis decamp for Top 3 and other privates, Walls, or leave DC to go to TJ or other schools. So, sure, some low-performing kids drop out, but some high-performing ones do as well, and neither group gets replaced.

Fourth, IB schools get new students, both low-performing and high-performing, every year. If they are in a wealthy area of DC with high-housing costs, they will gain plenty of high-performing UMC students to replace people who dropped out or left.

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Anonymous wrote:And if you want to know where BASIS pulls from, https://dme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dme/page_content/attachments/SY2122_Public%20School%20Enrollments%20per%20DCPS%20Boundary_0.xlsx

25 kids from Deal boundary
17 kids from Hardy boundary
11 kids from Maury boundary
15 kids from SWW@FS boundary
33 kids from J-R boundary

So let's not be saying that BASIS doesn't pull from high-income areas. And those are just the schools with 10 or more kids at BASIS.

It's true that BASIS pulls kids from EOTR, but so does Deal.

Did you think no one was familiar with the data and would notice you ae playing games and cherry picking?

There are almost as many kids IB from Eastern as the entire group you cherry picked. 20% of the HS kids are from JR. 15% of the MS (excluding 5th grade, obv) is from Deal and Hardy. Your cherry picked group is less than 100 out of 650 enrolled.

Here's what you didn't paste:

Anacostia High School 12
Dunbar High School 31
Eastern High School 80
Roosevelt High School 14
Brookland Middle School 10
Eliot-Hine Middle School 36
Hardy Middle School 17
Hart Middle School 11
Ida B. Wells Middle School 14
Jefferson Middle School Academy 47
Kelly Miller Middle School 11
MacFarland Middle School 28
McKinley Middle School 10
Sousa Middle School 11
Stuart-Hobson Middle School 54

So BASIS pulls from all these areas and STILL has only 7% overall "at risk" for their total population. Why is that? This just proves the self-selection point.

8%.

Janney has less than 1% at risk. Why don’t you go picket them?

Because they aren't claiming that it's the result of "100% pure lottery!!!!!". Nor do they refuse to backfill.

They won’t let in out of bounds!!!! Bus the kids in now!!!!

I guess it's because I feel like Janney is what it is, it's not trying to convince people it's anything other than a vast-majority-high-income school that performs as expected for its demographics. Unlike BASIS which wants to claim "100% pure lottery" (which is itself disingenuous when sibling preference and the Equitable Action preference at other schools skews things), and then pretend that their policies and poor retention don't have any impact on their demographics. And then likes to compare to schools with different policies and different demographics and claim victory without acknowledging those differences. Rigor!

I’ll say the quiet part out loud, demographics/SES play a large factor in student success and since we are UMC but are unwilling to be house poor and move inbounds for an Upper NW school, we opted for BASIS which has similar demographics. We understand that our child would do well in any school, and “rigor” is just another term associated with higher SES.

Schools with high UMC kids should be showing at least 90% of the student body as achieving +5s. I'm really irritated by the fact that +5 percentages aren't broken out. What is the point of this??

Ha that’s funny. The PARCC is actually fairly rigorous and it’s not easy to get a 5. Remember Arne Duncan’s controversial comment on soccer moms being upset that their kids weren’t as brilliant and schools weren’t as special as they thought???

+1

For 2021-22, in the whole city there were only 18 ninth graders who scored a “5” on math. The PP expecting “at least 90% of the student body” to get a 5 merely based on demographics is way off base.

That's incomplete since it leaves out kids who are taking geometry in 8th (and hence Geometry PARCC in 8th) and do not take any math PARCC in 9th. But still that's 50-60 kids at most and about half might have scored a 5.

While only tangentially related, there are hardly any kids in DCPS or DCPCS who score high enough in the AMC-10/12 series to qualify for AIME (American Invitational Mathematics Exam), not to mention USA(J)MO. So demographics alone doesn't ensure high scores in math.

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Anonymous wrote:Per PP's helpful analysis of the top schools in DC for ELA and Math, it looks like Deal academically comes out on top for middle school. I guess the fights, drugs and other dysfunction I hear about on DCUM isn't affecting kids academically? I know that came across sounding snarky, but it's not intended to. I'm a parent with children IB for Deal (in the future) that has concerns when reading DCUM, but these PARCC results seem to tell another story.

+1, Deal looks good and performance is really not different than BASIS

That is incorrect.

You have to look at scores after kids have been at Basis and Deal for a few years. Those show that Basis outperforms Deal and every other school in DC:

8th grade

ELA

Basis 91.56
Deal 77.63
Latin 74.73

Math

Basis 63.85
Deal 61.72
Latin 44.21

In fact, since Basis continues through high school, Basis' scores go even higher and are roughly comparable with Walls (a selective school), outperforming every other school in DC:

High school

ELA

Walls 94.07
Basis 92.06
Latin 70.71
J-R 57.54

Math

Walls 67.44
Basis 66.12
Latin 30.47
J-R 25.00

You mean, after BASIS has attritioned out the lower-performing kids, which IB schools can't do.

Nope.

First, attrition isn't a verb.

Second, Basis doesn't socially promote or backfill. But it certainly doesn't "attrition" out kids, whatever that means.

Third, kids leave Basis for different reasons, and some top-performing kids at Basis decamp for Top 3 and other privates, Walls, or leave DC to go to TJ or other schools. So, sure, some low-performing kids drop out, but some high-performing ones do as well, and neither group gets replaced.

Fourth, IB schools get new students, both low-performing and high-performing, every year. If they are in a wealthy area of DC with high-housing costs, they will gain plenty of high-performing UMC students to replace people who dropped out or left.

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Anonymous wrote:And if you want to know where BASIS pulls from, https://dme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dme/page_content/attachments/SY2122_Public%20School%20Enrollments%20per%20DCPS%20Boundary_0.xlsx

25 kids from Deal boundary
17 kids from Hardy boundary
11 kids from Maury boundary
15 kids from SWW@FS boundary
33 kids from J-R boundary

So let's not be saying that BASIS doesn't pull from high-income areas. And those are just the schools with 10 or more kids at BASIS.

It's true that BASIS pulls kids from EOTR, but so does Deal.

Did you think no one was familiar with the data and would notice you ae playing games and cherry picking?

There are almost as many kids IB from Eastern as the entire group you cherry picked. 20% of the HS kids are from JR. 15% of the MS (excluding 5th grade, obv) is from Deal and Hardy. Your cherry picked group is less than 100 out of 650 enrolled.

Here's what you didn't paste:

Anacostia High School 12
Dunbar High School 31
Eastern High School 80
Roosevelt High School 14
Brookland Middle School 10
Eliot-Hine Middle School 36
Hardy Middle School 17
Hart Middle School 11
Ida B. Wells Middle School 14
Jefferson Middle School Academy 47
Kelly Miller Middle School 11
MacFarland Middle School 28
McKinley Middle School 10
Sousa Middle School 11
Stuart-Hobson Middle School 54

So BASIS pulls from all these areas and STILL has only 7% overall "at risk" for their total population. Why is that? This just proves the self-selection point.

8%.

Janney has less than 1% at risk. Why don’t you go picket them?

Because they aren't claiming that it's the result of "100% pure lottery!!!!!". Nor do they refuse to backfill.

They won’t let in out of bounds!!!! Bus the kids in now!!!!

I guess it's because I feel like Janney is what it is, it's not trying to convince people it's anything other than a vast-majority-high-income school that performs as expected for its demographics. Unlike BASIS which wants to claim "100% pure lottery" (which is itself disingenuous when sibling preference and the Equitable Action preference at other schools skews things), and then pretend that their policies and poor retention don't have any impact on their demographics. And then likes to compare to schools with different policies and different demographics and claim victory without acknowledging those differences. Rigor!

I’ll say the quiet part out loud, demographics/SES play a large factor in student success and since we are UMC but are unwilling to be house poor and move inbounds for an Upper NW school, we opted for BASIS which has similar demographics. We understand that our child would do well in any school, and “rigor” is just another term associated with higher SES.

Schools with high UMC kids should be showing at least 90% of the student body as achieving +5s. I'm really irritated by the fact that +5 percentages aren't broken out. What is the point of this??

Ha that’s funny. The PARCC is actually fairly rigorous and it’s not easy to get a 5. Remember Arne Duncan’s controversial comment on soccer moms being upset that their kids weren’t as brilliant and schools weren’t as special as they thought???

+1

For 2021-22, in the whole city there were only 18 ninth graders who scored a “5” on math. The PP expecting “at least 90% of the student body” to get a 5 merely based on demographics is way off base.

Separate from this kind of ridiculous conversation, can we sort scores by 4 versus 5 yet for the recently released scores? Or have they not release that yet?

Not yet.

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Anonymous wrote:Per PP's helpful analysis of the top schools in DC for ELA and Math, it looks like Deal academically comes out on top for middle school. I guess the fights, drugs and other dysfunction I hear about on DCUM isn't affecting kids academically? I know that came across sounding snarky, but it's not intended to. I'm a parent with children IB for Deal (in the future) that has concerns when reading DCUM, but these PARCC results seem to tell another story.

+1, Deal looks good and performance is really not different than BASIS

That is incorrect.

You have to look at scores after kids have been at Basis and Deal for a few years. Those show that Basis outperforms Deal and every other school in DC:

8th grade

ELA

Basis 91.56
Deal 77.63
Latin 74.73

Math

Basis 63.85
Deal 61.72
Latin 44.21

In fact, since Basis continues through high school, Basis' scores go even higher and are roughly comparable with Walls (a selective school), outperforming every other school in DC:

High school

ELA

Walls 94.07
Basis 92.06
Latin 70.71
J-R 57.54

Math

Walls 67.44
Basis 66.12
Latin 30.47
J-R 25.00

You mean, after BASIS has attritioned out the lower-performing kids, which IB schools can't do.

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Anonymous wrote:And if you want to know where BASIS pulls from, https://dme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dme/page_content/attachments/SY2122_Public%20School%20Enrollments%20per%20DCPS%20Boundary_0.xlsx

25 kids from Deal boundary
17 kids from Hardy boundary
11 kids from Maury boundary
15 kids from SWW@FS boundary
33 kids from J-R boundary

So let's not be saying that BASIS doesn't pull from high-income areas. And those are just the schools with 10 or more kids at BASIS.

It's true that BASIS pulls kids from EOTR, but so does Deal.

Did you think no one was familiar with the data and would notice you ae playing games and cherry picking?

There are almost as many kids IB from Eastern as the entire group you cherry picked. 20% of the HS kids are from JR. 15% of the MS (excluding 5th grade, obv) is from Deal and Hardy. Your cherry picked group is less than 100 out of 650 enrolled.

Here's what you didn't paste:

Anacostia High School 12
Dunbar High School 31
Eastern High School 80
Roosevelt High School 14
Brookland Middle School 10
Eliot-Hine Middle School 36
Hardy Middle School 17
Hart Middle School 11
Ida B. Wells Middle School 14
Jefferson Middle School Academy 47
Kelly Miller Middle School 11
MacFarland Middle School 28
McKinley Middle School 10
Sousa Middle School 11
Stuart-Hobson Middle School 54

So BASIS pulls from all these areas and STILL has only 7% overall "at risk" for their total population. Why is that? This just proves the self-selection point.

8%.

Janney has less than 1% at risk. Why don’t you go picket them?

Because they aren't claiming that it's the result of "100% pure lottery!!!!!". Nor do they refuse to backfill.

They won’t let in out of bounds!!!! Bus the kids in now!!!!

I guess it's because I feel like Janney is what it is, it's not trying to convince people it's anything other than a vast-majority-high-income school that performs as expected for its demographics. Unlike BASIS which wants to claim "100% pure lottery" (which is itself disingenuous when sibling preference and the Equitable Action preference at other schools skews things), and then pretend that their policies and poor retention don't have any impact on their demographics. And then likes to compare to schools with different policies and different demographics and claim victory without acknowledging those differences. Rigor!

I’ll say the quiet part out loud, demographics/SES play a large factor in student success and since we are UMC but are unwilling to be house poor and move inbounds for an Upper NW school, we opted for BASIS which has similar demographics. We understand that our child would do well in any school, and “rigor” is just another term associated with higher SES.

Schools with high UMC kids should be showing at least 90% of the student body as achieving +5s. I'm really irritated by the fact that +5 percentages aren't broken out. What is the point of this??

Ha that’s funny. The PARCC is actually fairly rigorous and it’s not easy to get a 5. Remember Arne Duncan’s controversial comment on soccer moms being upset that their kids weren’t as brilliant and schools weren’t as special as they thought???

+1

For 2021-22, in the whole city there were only 18 ninth graders who scored a “5” on math. The PP expecting “at least 90% of the student body” to get a 5 merely based on demographics is way off base.

That's incomplete since it leaves out kids who are taking geometry in 8th (and hence Geometry PARCC in 8th) and do not take any math PARCC in 9th. But still that's 50-60 kids at most and about half might have scored a 5.

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Anonymous wrote:And if you want to know where BASIS pulls from, https://dme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dme/page_content/attachments/SY2122_Public%20School%20Enrollments%20per%20DCPS%20Boundary_0.xlsx

25 kids from Deal boundary
17 kids from Hardy boundary
11 kids from Maury boundary
15 kids from SWW@FS boundary
33 kids from J-R boundary

So let's not be saying that BASIS doesn't pull from high-income areas. And those are just the schools with 10 or more kids at BASIS.

It's true that BASIS pulls kids from EOTR, but so does Deal.

Did you think no one was familiar with the data and would notice you ae playing games and cherry picking?

There are almost as many kids IB from Eastern as the entire group you cherry picked. 20% of the HS kids are from JR. 15% of the MS (excluding 5th grade, obv) is from Deal and Hardy. Your cherry picked group is less than 100 out of 650 enrolled.

Here's what you didn't paste:

Anacostia High School 12
Dunbar High School 31
Eastern High School 80
Roosevelt High School 14
Brookland Middle School 10
Eliot-Hine Middle School 36
Hardy Middle School 17
Hart Middle School 11
Ida B. Wells Middle School 14
Jefferson Middle School Academy 47
Kelly Miller Middle School 11
MacFarland Middle School 28
McKinley Middle School 10
Sousa Middle School 11
Stuart-Hobson Middle School 54

So BASIS pulls from all these areas and STILL has only 7% overall "at risk" for their total population. Why is that? This just proves the self-selection point.

8%.

Janney has less than 1% at risk. Why don’t you go picket them?

Because they aren't claiming that it's the result of "100% pure lottery!!!!!". Nor do they refuse to backfill.

They won’t let in out of bounds!!!! Bus the kids in now!!!!

I guess it's because I feel like Janney is what it is, it's not trying to convince people it's anything other than a vast-majority-high-income school that performs as expected for its demographics. Unlike BASIS which wants to claim "100% pure lottery" (which is itself disingenuous when sibling preference and the Equitable Action preference at other schools skews things), and then pretend that their policies and poor retention don't have any impact on their demographics. And then likes to compare to schools with different policies and different demographics and claim victory without acknowledging those differences. Rigor!

I’ll say the quiet part out loud, demographics/SES play a large factor in student success and since we are UMC but are unwilling to be house poor and move inbounds for an Upper NW school, we opted for BASIS which has similar demographics. We understand that our child would do well in any school, and “rigor” is just another term associated with higher SES.

Schools with high UMC kids should be showing at least 90% of the student body as achieving +5s. I'm really irritated by the fact that +5 percentages aren't broken out. What is the point of this??

Ha that’s funny. The PARCC is actually fairly rigorous and it’s not easy to get a 5. Remember Arne Duncan’s controversial comment on soccer moms being upset that their kids weren’t as brilliant and schools weren’t as special as they thought???

+1

For 2021-22, in the whole city there were only 18 ninth graders who scored a “5” on math. The PP expecting “at least 90% of the student body” to get a 5 merely based on demographics is way off base.