There must be some reason NVSL is one of the largest , oldest and most successful swim leagues in the country, with MCSL up there as well. It’s also probably not a coincidence that this area punches well above its weight in terms of producing high quality swimmers considering we are not in Florida or California.

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Anonymous wrote:The entitlement on this thread is insane. The fact remains that summer swim teams rely on many volunteers throughout the season. If everyone said f it, this team takes the volunteer commitment too seriously, then it won’t happen. The team shuts down.

What’s wrong with showing and investing in your kids’ activities? Summer swim is a community thing, invest in it or don’t participate.

Always the same parents that step up to help. It’s a shame, what are you teaching your children?

So selfish.

It's a bandwidth thing. Thankfully our team isn't run by people like you.

Your team is run by volunteers like PP and me, and we all have important jobs and a million other things to do. The difference is that we invest our time and effort in our communities and our kids, while you don’t. Maybe get off DCUM and do something productive with your time.

I can't. I literally can't. I would if I could. Does attacking a struggling person make you feel better?

Please. Team rep here: we have a woman on our team whose husband traveled for work most of the time and she had two parents in hospice in her home with no backup help. If she volunteered, you can volunteer.

WOW! That poor woman was going thru it, and no one took a step back to say, hey, why don’t you sit this summer out, we’ve got your back and can cover your hours for you. That’s disgusting on your behalf, and not something you should be celebrating.

+1 this culture of celebrating parents having to constantly sacrifice for their kids is not great and holds women back. Parenting is hard enough without this crap. How about just one timer per lane and no ribbons, that would cut back on need for volunteers.

You can try to start your own league with this system. Personally I wouldn’t join.

This. If there is so much pent up demand for a league without volunteers, then PP would have no trouble finding pools eager to join

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Anonymous wrote:The entitlement on this thread is insane. The fact remains that summer swim teams rely on many volunteers throughout the season. If everyone said f it, this team takes the volunteer commitment too seriously, then it won’t happen. The team shuts down.

What’s wrong with showing and investing in your kids’ activities? Summer swim is a community thing, invest in it or don’t participate.

Always the same parents that step up to help. It’s a shame, what are you teaching your children?

So selfish.

It's a bandwidth thing. Thankfully our team isn't run by people like you.

Your team is run by volunteers like PP and me, and we all have important jobs and a million other things to do. The difference is that we invest our time and effort in our communities and our kids, while you don’t. Maybe get off DCUM and do something productive with your time.

I can't. I literally can't. I would if I could. Does attacking a struggling person make you feel better?

Please. Team rep here: we have a woman on our team whose husband traveled for work most of the time and she had two parents in hospice in her home with no backup help. If she volunteered, you can volunteer.

WOW! That poor woman was going thru it, and no one took a step back to say, hey, why don’t you sit this summer out, we’ve got your back and can cover your hours for you. That’s disgusting on your behalf, and not something you should be celebrating.

+1 this culture of celebrating parents having to constantly sacrifice for their kids is not great and holds women back. Parenting is hard enough without this crap. How about just one timer per lane and no ribbons, that would cut back on need for volunteers.

+1M. Also, no wonder we have a mental health problem in this country. Apparently you are failing your kids and your community unless you run yourself so ragged that you have a breakdown.

Both sides have valid points here.

I'm new to summer swim and am surprised at how much it takes to run these programs! I expected it to be a bit more streamlined (ha) along the lines of other kid activities/sports but it clearly requires a level of parent commitment that I have not seen before. I am impressed and grateful to the parents to make the time to support the team. I also think there are a lot of parents who are REALLY into the whole scene and their kid's performance, which may explain their motivation for volunteering as much as they do. Not everyone shares that motivation.

On the flip side, the amount of commitment being asked of the parents--while it varies by team--is not insignificant particularly compared to other sports. It's not JUST the swim team that expects time from busy families--and while things might slow down a bit with kids during the summer, many of us have demanding jobs year-round, are caring for special needs kids or aging parents, or maybe we have health problems of our own or other commitments that take up time. Some people just don't have a lot of extra time and can't just throw money at solving a problem. You never know which family falls into that category or which family just doesn't want to help.

I'm fortunate that I can often find time to help, but it doesn't help the situation to act like everyone should be able to do the same.

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Anonymous wrote:The entitlement on this thread is insane. The fact remains that summer swim teams rely on many volunteers throughout the season. If everyone said f it, this team takes the volunteer commitment too seriously, then it won’t happen. The team shuts down.

What’s wrong with showing and investing in your kids’ activities? Summer swim is a community thing, invest in it or don’t participate.

Always the same parents that step up to help. It’s a shame, what are you teaching your children?

So selfish.

It's a bandwidth thing. Thankfully our team isn't run by people like you.

Your team is run by volunteers like PP and me, and we all have important jobs and a million other things to do. The difference is that we invest our time and effort in our communities and our kids, while you don’t. Maybe get off DCUM and do something productive with your time.

I can't. I literally can't. I would if I could. Does attacking a struggling person make you feel better?

Please. Team rep here: we have a woman on our team whose husband traveled for work most of the time and she had two parents in hospice in her home with no backup help. If she volunteered, you can volunteer.

WOW! That poor woman was going thru it, and no one took a step back to say, hey, why don’t you sit this summer out, we’ve got your back and can cover your hours for you. That’s disgusting on your behalf, and not something you should be celebrating.

+1 this culture of celebrating parents having to constantly sacrifice for their kids is not great and holds women back. Parenting is hard enough without this crap. How about just one timer per lane and no ribbons, that would cut back on need for volunteers.

You can try to start your own league with this system. Personally I wouldn’t join.

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Anonymous wrote:The entitlement on this thread is insane. The fact remains that summer swim teams rely on many volunteers throughout the season. If everyone said f it, this team takes the volunteer commitment too seriously, then it won’t happen. The team shuts down.

What’s wrong with showing and investing in your kids’ activities? Summer swim is a community thing, invest in it or don’t participate.

Always the same parents that step up to help. It’s a shame, what are you teaching your children?

So selfish.

It's a bandwidth thing. Thankfully our team isn't run by people like you.

Your team is run by volunteers like PP and me, and we all have important jobs and a million other things to do. The difference is that we invest our time and effort in our communities and our kids, while you don’t. Maybe get off DCUM and do something productive with your time.

I can't. I literally can't. I would if I could. Does attacking a struggling person make you feel better?

Please. Team rep here: we have a woman on our team whose husband traveled for work most of the time and she had two parents in hospice in her home with no backup help. If she volunteered, you can volunteer.

WOW! That poor woman was going thru it, and no one took a step back to say, hey, why don’t you sit this summer out, we’ve got your back and can cover your hours for you. That’s disgusting on your behalf, and not something you should be celebrating.

+1 this culture of celebrating parents having to constantly sacrifice for their kids is not great and holds women back. Parenting is hard enough without this crap. How about just one timer per lane and no ribbons, that would cut back on need for volunteers.

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Anonymous wrote:The entitlement on this thread is insane. The fact remains that summer swim teams rely on many volunteers throughout the season. If everyone said f it, this team takes the volunteer commitment too seriously, then it won’t happen. The team shuts down.

What’s wrong with showing and investing in your kids’ activities? Summer swim is a community thing, invest in it or don’t participate.

Always the same parents that step up to help. It’s a shame, what are you teaching your children?

So selfish.

It's a bandwidth thing. Thankfully our team isn't run by people like you.

Your team is run by volunteers like PP and me, and we all have important jobs and a million other things to do. The difference is that we invest our time and effort in our communities and our kids, while you don’t. Maybe get off DCUM and do something productive with your time.

I can't. I literally can't. I would if I could. Does attacking a struggling person make you feel better?

Please. Team rep here: we have a woman on our team whose husband traveled for work most of the time and she had two parents in hospice in her home with no backup help. If she volunteered, you can volunteer.

Wow, volunteer coordinator here, and I'd never have this person work. I just want people to talk to me ahead of time, not when it is the end of the season. How do you sleep at night- I pray you're a troll.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah I don't have time, happy to pay. This isn't the 90s where stay at home moms have time to do things and dads work, we are 2-4 income household and trying to make it work with these crushing costs of living. This is another boomer Genx out of touch thing that will need to change.

Oh please. Bad excuse. Maybe you should look at your expenses if you need that kind of income.

Wait, you need 4 jobs to live but you want to pay to get out of volunteering? Our volunteer requirements are something like 28 hours a season--that volunteer fee would be $400 at least ($15 an hour rate).

And a babysitter to cover childcare to work those hours is $25/hr, so paying to get out of it is better than getting childcare so that the hours can be covered.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah I don't have time, happy to pay. This isn't the 90s where stay at home moms have time to do things and dads work, we are 2-4 income household and trying to make it work with these crushing costs of living. This is another boomer Genx out of touch thing that will need to change.

Oh please. Bad excuse. Maybe you should look at your expenses if you need that kind of income.

Wait, you need 4 jobs to live but you want to pay to get out of volunteering? Our volunteer requirements are something like 28 hours a season--that volunteer fee would be $400 at least ($15 an hour rate).

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Anonymous wrote:The entitlement on this thread is insane. The fact remains that summer swim teams rely on many volunteers throughout the season. If everyone said f it, this team takes the volunteer commitment too seriously, then it won’t happen. The team shuts down.

What’s wrong with showing and investing in your kids’ activities? Summer swim is a community thing, invest in it or don’t participate.

Always the same parents that step up to help. It’s a shame, what are you teaching your children?

So selfish.

It's a bandwidth thing. Thankfully our team isn't run by people like you.

Your team is run by volunteers like PP and me, and we all have important jobs and a million other things to do. The difference is that we invest our time and effort in our communities and our kids, while you don’t. Maybe get off DCUM and do something productive with your time.

I can't. I literally can't. I would if I could. Does attacking a struggling person make you feel better?

Please. Team rep here: we have a woman on our team whose husband traveled for work most of the time and she had two parents in hospice in her home with no backup help. If she volunteered, you can volunteer.

WOW! That poor woman was going thru it, and no one took a step back to say, hey, why don’t you sit this summer out, we’ve got your back and can cover your hours for you. That’s disgusting on your behalf, and not something you should be celebrating.

Anonymous wrote:Oh, and she worked. ^^

Selling Scentsy doesn't count.

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Anonymous wrote:The entitlement on this thread is insane. The fact remains that summer swim teams rely on many volunteers throughout the season. If everyone said f it, this team takes the volunteer commitment too seriously, then it won’t happen. The team shuts down.

What’s wrong with showing and investing in your kids’ activities? Summer swim is a community thing, invest in it or don’t participate.

Always the same parents that step up to help. It’s a shame, what are you teaching your children?

So selfish.

It's a bandwidth thing. Thankfully our team isn't run by people like you.

Your team is run by volunteers like PP and me, and we all have important jobs and a million other things to do. The difference is that we invest our time and effort in our communities and our kids, while you don’t. Maybe get off DCUM and do something productive with your time.

I can't. I literally can't. I would if I could. Does attacking a struggling person make you feel better?

Please. Team rep here: we have a woman on our team whose husband traveled for work most of the time and she had two parents in hospice in her home with no backup help. If she volunteered, you can volunteer.

It's not about time. But keep judging. Our team doesn't care, and since older DS is getting a scholarship out of it...your hate is meaningless and will catch up with you one day.

Oh, and she worked. ^^

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Anonymous wrote:The entitlement on this thread is insane. The fact remains that summer swim teams rely on many volunteers throughout the season. If everyone said f it, this team takes the volunteer commitment too seriously, then it won’t happen. The team shuts down.

What’s wrong with showing and investing in your kids’ activities? Summer swim is a community thing, invest in it or don’t participate.

Always the same parents that step up to help. It’s a shame, what are you teaching your children?

So selfish.

It's a bandwidth thing. Thankfully our team isn't run by people like you.

Your team is run by volunteers like PP and me, and we all have important jobs and a million other things to do. The difference is that we invest our time and effort in our communities and our kids, while you don’t. Maybe get off DCUM and do something productive with your time.

I can't. I literally can't. I would if I could. Does attacking a struggling person make you feel better?

Please. Team rep here: we have a woman on our team whose husband traveled for work most of the time and she had two parents in hospice in her home with no backup help. If she volunteered, you can volunteer.

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Anonymous wrote:The entitlement on this thread is insane. The fact remains that summer swim teams rely on many volunteers throughout the season. If everyone said f it, this team takes the volunteer commitment too seriously, then it won’t happen. The team shuts down.

What’s wrong with showing and investing in your kids’ activities? Summer swim is a community thing, invest in it or don’t participate.

Always the same parents that step up to help. It’s a shame, what are you teaching your children?

So selfish.

It's a bandwidth thing. Thankfully our team isn't run by people like you.

Your team is run by volunteers like PP and me, and we all have important jobs and a million other things to do. The difference is that we invest our time and effort in our communities and our kids, while you don’t. Maybe get off DCUM and do something productive with your time.

I can't. I literally can't. I would if I could. Does attacking a struggling person make you feel better?