Anonymous
Anonymous
06/24/2023 17:40
Subject: Russia - civil war has broken out
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Apparently the people were cheering the Wagner troops. Wonder why he stopped?
Because Prigo has no money. Someone ratted him out in St Petersburg and got hold of his hoard of cash that was all packed up ready to leave in vans. You can't take the Kremlin without money.
Somehow I'm betting that the owner of a global mercenary organization doesn't have all of his cash sitting in boxes in St. Petersburg. FFS he is making payroll in Africa.
Right. But 48M in St Petersburg is still a lot of bills he was planning to use right away, PP. Money in Africa can't get there fast enough.
Anonymous
06/24/2023 17:36
Subject: Russia - civil war has broken out
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone take a deal from Putin? Prigozhin Will be dead in two weeks.
You must understand he had practically no chance from the beginning. A coup against the established Army, who holds the purse strings? He would have needed other groups to join him, and none did; and someone stole his 48M stash in St Petersburg. Without money, there is no war.
Yes, whatever public or private deal has been offered, he is now at very risk of defenestration, "heart attack" or other accident. Putin will not forget and will not forgive.
Still, this is not yet over. Each Russian side is merely regrouping here. They can't ever trust each other now, and yet they depend on each other to win the war.
It's not a good place to be for Russia.
Not sure what his reasoning was. His statements over the last several months have kind of been all over the place.
That said, yes a paramilitary group can succeed in a coup in a country with a larger army. If he had the backing of some of the oligarchs, if the military was facing defections, yes it could be done. Putin isn't assassinating Russian businessmen for nothing. It is because if they fall out of line he can end up put to pasture.
Anonymous
06/24/2023 17:34
Subject: Russia - civil war has broken out
Anonymous wrote:Apparently the people were cheering the Wagner troops. Wonder why he stopped?
He had to flex just enough to reestablish the social order. One of the lesser men in the Russian military fired a missile at his people so he marched his thugs to Moscow. He chased his rivals out of the country and now they are at risk of "falling" out a Ministry of Defense window. I bet he gets cargo containers of the finest ammo back on the Ukrainian front now.
Anonymous
06/24/2023 17:32
Subject: Russia - civil war has broken out
The Russians are reaping what they've sown. Of course I feel bad for individuals but they allowed a dangerous dictator to destroy a neighboring state for no reason. When you unleash the hounds of war, sometimes they turn on YOU.
I think it will be good if Putin goes down but the question is, to be replaced by what.
I think it will be good if Putin goes down but the question is, to be replaced by what.
Anonymous
06/24/2023 17:31
Subject: Russia - civil war has broken out
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Apparently the people were cheering the Wagner troops. Wonder why he stopped?
Because Prigo has no money. Someone ratted him out in St Petersburg and got hold of his hoard of cash that was all packed up ready to leave in vans. You can't take the Kremlin without money.
Somehow I'm betting that the owner of a global mercenary organization doesn't have all of his cash sitting in boxes in St. Petersburg. FFS he is making payroll in Africa.
Anonymous
06/24/2023 17:12
Subject: Russia - civil war has broken out
Anonymous wrote:Apparently the people were cheering the Wagner troops. Wonder why he stopped?
Because Prigo has no money. Someone ratted him out in St Petersburg and got hold of his hoard of cash that was all packed up ready to leave in vans. You can't take the Kremlin without money.
Anonymous
Anonymous
06/24/2023 17:06
Subject: Russia - civil war has broken out
Apparently the people were cheering the Wagner troops. Wonder why he stopped?
Anonymous
06/24/2023 17:05
Subject: Russia - civil war has broken out
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone take a deal from Putin? Prigozhin Will be dead in two weeks.
You must understand he had practically no chance from the beginning. A coup against the established Army, who holds the purse strings? He would have needed other groups to join him, and none did; and someone stole his 48M stash in St Petersburg. Without money, there is no war.
Yes, whatever public or private deal has been offered, he is now at very risk of defenestration, "heart attack" or other accident. Putin will not forget and will not forgive.
Still, this is not yet over. Each Russian side is merely regrouping here. They can't ever trust each other now, and yet they depend on each other to win the war.
It's not a good place to be for Russia.
No one was stopping the his troops. He was 4 hours away from Moscow. Now he is dead.
Anonymous
06/24/2023 17:04
Subject: Russia - civil war has broken out
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone take a deal from Putin? Prigozhin Will be dead in two weeks.
Two or three weeks ago, Putin publicly demanded Prigozhin’s troops sign Russian army contracts. Had Prigozhin complied, his Wagner group would effectively cease to exist, as his employees would have answered to Putin alone.
Prigozhin refused.
He was already marked for death when he publicly refused Putin’s demand.
This rebellion is Prigozhin’s bid to go on living a little longer. He is demanding Shoigu step down.
And the Wagner group has now been disbanded anyway.
Hmm.
Anonymous
Anonymous
06/24/2023 16:57
Subject: Russia - civil war has broken out
Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone take a deal from Putin? Prigozhin Will be dead in two weeks.
You must understand he had practically no chance from the beginning. A coup against the established Army, who holds the purse strings? He would have needed other groups to join him, and none did; and someone stole his 48M stash in St Petersburg. Without money, there is no war.
Yes, whatever public or private deal has been offered, he is now at very risk of defenestration, "heart attack" or other accident. Putin will not forget and will not forgive.
Still, this is not yet over. Each Russian side is merely regrouping here. They can't ever trust each other now, and yet they depend on each other to win the war.
It's not a good place to be for Russia.
Anonymous
06/24/2023 16:54
Subject: Russia - civil war has broken out
Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone take a deal from Putin? Prigozhin Will be dead in two weeks.
Two or three weeks ago, Putin publicly demanded Prigozhin’s troops sign Russian army contracts. Had Prigozhin complied, his Wagner group would effectively cease to exist, as his employees would have answered to Putin alone.
Prigozhin refused.
He was already marked for death when he publicly refused Putin’s demand.
This rebellion is Prigozhin’s bid to go on living a little longer. He is demanding Shoigu step down.
Anonymous
06/24/2023 16:51
Subject: Russia - civil war has broken out
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why do translations of “official” statements in russian always look like beuracratic gobbledygook. It’s like words don’t have any meaning. I understand the point of the above statement from the mayor, but it’s very weird.
Does it just not translate? Is it lost in translation?
Just a very different style of communication which does get lost in translation, yes
Yes, it's the same for many languages and cultures. This is why official interpreters exist, to pick the right words and phrasing for what the person intends to express. You can't just AI your way through this... at least for now. I have a Korean interpreter friend who works diplomatic events. She finds the job quite rewarding.