Anonymous
09/04/2023 11:55
Subject: Re:"No Labels" Party
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If former MD Governor Larry Hogan ran as a 3rd party candidate, would he be more likely to hurt Trump or Biden?
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/labels-group-steep-climb-party-worth-larry-hogan/story?id=101340213
If the D and R parties truly feel threatened by this 3rd party movement, there is an easy fix. Hogan describes the scenario for which No Labels may actually field a candidate in very plain language. If, come next spring, America's nightmare scenario of Trump and Biden being the nominees comes to fruition, it's a real possibility No labels will field a candidate simply due to demand from the American public for something better. If the Ds and Rs don't want to face competition from a 3rd party, and of course they don't, they just need to nominate something more appetizing than the lunatic orange old man and the elderly man.
So no labels can stamp their feet and have their silly tantrum and help get trump elected to protest that trump was one the nominees? That makes no sense. They help trump so they are pro trump.
If the Rs and Ds do no better than Trump vs Biden 2 in 2024, No Labels will seriously consider fielding a candidate. If the R or D parties nominate a normal candidate with a respectable favorbility rating amongst voters, they are unlikely to have a need to run. Not exactly rocket science here. If the Ds nominate a Bill Clinton or the Rs nominate a Mitt Romney, we won't have a No Labels candidate. It doesn't have to be both parties nominating someone different.
What about no labels helping get trump elected do you not understand? Rationalize helping give trump a second term how ever you want, it still results in the election of trump again.
We are not idiots. Don't tell me you object to trump and then help give him the white house.
If No Labels convinced Joe Manchin to run, then I don’t disagree. But do we know this is true for sure in the case of a lifelong Republican like Larry Hogan?
What difference does it make? The third part candidate does not win. They serve to assist one of the other candidates.
Again, they only plan to run if Trump AND Biden are the nominees. If Trump and Biden become the nominees with no viable 3rd party candidate, we'd be looking at the weakest presidential field in the history of our country and what makes you so sure the 3rd party has zero chance of winning in this unprecedented circumstance? No one with an IQ over 80 is voting for Trump in 2024 period. That gives pretty good odds to any viable candidate running against him. We just need someone with less obvious weaknesses running against him and we should be less concerned of where that candidate comes from. You can't rely on the recent failures of 3rd parties as predictors of what will happen in 2024 because our current political situation is far, far different from anything experienced our lifetimes.
They have zero chance of being anything but spoilers
And tell me, while you're so up on No Labels - what are their actual positions? Can you name three things they stand for, other than being not Trump or not Biden? I bet not! They're a cipher, there to project whatever you want onto them - and take your money.
For all of our sake, let's hope we don't see a Trump vs. Biden rematch in 2024 so we don't have to worry about any potential negative impact from these No Label folks. If we do have a Trump vs Biden rematch, the numbers show that most American voters would appreciate another option to consider. It is what it is. If you're an R or D party staffer or campaign worker whining about this 3rd party threat, get over it and become open to applying for work elsewhere.
Staffer? Please. Just a regular old soccer mom. Hopefully staffers have better things to do than engage in DCUM nonsense.
If no labels was so upset with a Biden candidacy, they would not have positions that mirror Biden positions. You need to get over thinking this "another option" bullcrap is fooling anyone.
Yes, the reasonable and rational thing to do is shouting down any thought of considering a 3rd option if stuck with Biden vs Trump in 2024.
The rational thing to do is do your homework and understand exactly what using your vote for the different options will do for your family. And if you choose a third party, you understand that that candidate does not win. Your vote for a third party serves to elect either the republican or the democrat.
I disagree. Voting third party is a way of sending a message to the establishment. It is not a waste, and possibly for the first time since Ross Perot, a third party has the chance to be on the stage if they find the right candidate.
I agree 100%. It is very possible for a well qualified candidate who is fit for office by any reasonable standards (not a deranged narcissist or an octogenarian) to gain enough momentum to steamroll by Trump or Biden ahead of next year's election. Trump and Biden can agree not to debate each other so not to let their deteriorating mental conditions become so evident but if there is a viable 3rd party candidate requesting that there be at least one debate among the general election candidates, Trump and Biden would almost certainly feel obligated to participate. Just one debate with the two elderly men on stage with a normal, moderate, quick witted candidate would be enough to sway most voters away from their loyalties to the elderly candidates. At the very least, we should be sending a message to our two headed political establishment monster to let them know that a Trump/Biden rematch is unacceptable.
Anonymous
09/04/2023 11:40
Subject: Re:"No Labels" Party
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If former MD Governor Larry Hogan ran as a 3rd party candidate, would he be more likely to hurt Trump or Biden?
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/labels-group-steep-climb-party-worth-larry-hogan/story?id=101340213
If the D and R parties truly feel threatened by this 3rd party movement, there is an easy fix. Hogan describes the scenario for which No Labels may actually field a candidate in very plain language. If, come next spring, America's nightmare scenario of Trump and Biden being the nominees comes to fruition, it's a real possibility No labels will field a candidate simply due to demand from the American public for something better. If the Ds and Rs don't want to face competition from a 3rd party, and of course they don't, they just need to nominate something more appetizing than the lunatic orange old man and the elderly man.
So no labels can stamp their feet and have their silly tantrum and help get trump elected to protest that trump was one the nominees? That makes no sense. They help trump so they are pro trump.
If the Rs and Ds do no better than Trump vs Biden 2 in 2024, No Labels will seriously consider fielding a candidate. If the R or D parties nominate a normal candidate with a respectable favorbility rating amongst voters, they are unlikely to have a need to run. Not exactly rocket science here. If the Ds nominate a Bill Clinton or the Rs nominate a Mitt Romney, we won't have a No Labels candidate. It doesn't have to be both parties nominating someone different.
What about no labels helping get trump elected do you not understand? Rationalize helping give trump a second term how ever you want, it still results in the election of trump again.
We are not idiots. Don't tell me you object to trump and then help give him the white house.
If No Labels convinced Joe Manchin to run, then I don’t disagree. But do we know this is true for sure in the case of a lifelong Republican like Larry Hogan?
What difference does it make? The third part candidate does not win. They serve to assist one of the other candidates.
Again, they only plan to run if Trump AND Biden are the nominees. If Trump and Biden become the nominees with no viable 3rd party candidate, we'd be looking at the weakest presidential field in the history of our country and what makes you so sure the 3rd party has zero chance of winning in this unprecedented circumstance? No one with an IQ over 80 is voting for Trump in 2024 period. That gives pretty good odds to any viable candidate running against him. We just need someone with less obvious weaknesses running against him and we should be less concerned of where that candidate comes from. You can't rely on the recent failures of 3rd parties as predictors of what will happen in 2024 because our current political situation is far, far different from anything experienced our lifetimes.
They have zero chance of being anything but spoilers
And tell me, while you're so up on No Labels - what are their actual positions? Can you name three things they stand for, other than being not Trump or not Biden? I bet not! They're a cipher, there to project whatever you want onto them - and take your money.
For all of our sake, let's hope we don't see a Trump vs. Biden rematch in 2024 so we don't have to worry about any potential negative impact from these No Label folks. If we do have a Trump vs Biden rematch, the numbers show that most American voters would appreciate another option to consider. It is what it is. If you're an R or D party staffer or campaign worker whining about this 3rd party threat, get over it and become open to applying for work elsewhere.
Of course most voters are going to select an unknown third option. Because when they make that selection, it’s based on this mythological notion that the third option is better than the ones running. Put an actual name to than third option and the polling will look very different.
Anonymous
09/04/2023 11:22
Subject: "No Labels" Party
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Manchin is anti abortion
These billionaires still don’t get it.
They really don’t see women as people.
Yes, everyone sees women as people.
Stated in a basic manner, pro-choice focus on the woman; pro-life focus on the unborn child.
Are you aware of the various types of birth-control available ?
Are you aware that not all birth control is 100% reliable? Are you not aware that sometimes, something goes wrong with the development of a fetus that forces an abortion? Are not aware that there are ectopic pregnancies that need to be dealt with safely? I can go on, but please.
Anonymous
09/04/2023 11:15
Subject: "No Labels" Party
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
So much free rent given to the idea of trump running as the GOP candidate. Biden will defeat him. No brainer.
It is frustrating that little energy and thought is given comparatively to who should run if Trump isn’t the candidate. It’s not the party die-hards that anyone needs to worry about, it is rest of the people who will need convincing. And whether you personally like Harris or not, she is not a compelling candidate or running mate for Biden if Trump isn’t running against them.
You understand that almost all of the GOP candidates raised their hands and said they would support Trump if he were the nominee, right?
I’ll believe it when I see it.
So are you saying people like Nikki Haley are lying when they said they would support Trump (in order to not inflame the MAGA base)?
Yes! Politicians do whatever they can to stay in the game and retract statements/positions when it is convenient. Have you been living under a rock???
+1 That's exactly how they do it. They have to in order to get elected in our current state of politics. 98% of American voters continue to vote for any candidate put in front of them by their preferred party without regard for accountability.
Anonymous
09/04/2023 11:11
Subject: "No Labels" Party
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
So much free rent given to the idea of trump running as the GOP candidate. Biden will defeat him. No brainer.
It is frustrating that little energy and thought is given comparatively to who should run if Trump isn’t the candidate. It’s not the party die-hards that anyone needs to worry about, it is rest of the people who will need convincing. And whether you personally like Harris or not, she is not a compelling candidate or running mate for Biden if Trump isn’t running against them.
You understand that almost all of the GOP candidates raised their hands and said they would support Trump if he were the nominee, right?
I’ll believe it when I see it.
So are you saying people like Nikki Haley are lying when they said they would support Trump (in order to not inflame the MAGA base)?
Yes! Politicians do whatever they can to stay in the game and retract statements/positions when it is convenient. Have you been living under a rock???
Yes, the GOP’s famed pushback against Trump was so stro—- wait a minute. They all pledged fealty to him!
Anonymous
09/04/2023 11:09
Subject: "No Labels" Party
Anonymous wrote:Manchin is anti abortion
These billionaires still don’t get it.
They really don’t see women as people.
Yes, everyone sees women as people.
Stated in a basic manner, pro-choice focus on the woman; pro-life focus on the unborn child.
Are you aware of the various types of birth-control available ?
Anonymous
09/04/2023 11:02
Subject: "No Labels" Party
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
So much free rent given to the idea of trump running as the GOP candidate. Biden will defeat him. No brainer.
It is frustrating that little energy and thought is given comparatively to who should run if Trump isn’t the candidate. It’s not the party die-hards that anyone needs to worry about, it is rest of the people who will need convincing. And whether you personally like Harris or not, she is not a compelling candidate or running mate for Biden if Trump isn’t running against them.
You understand that almost all of the GOP candidates raised their hands and said they would support Trump if he were the nominee, right?
I’ll believe it when I see it.
So are you saying people like Nikki Haley are lying when they said they would support Trump (in order to not inflame the MAGA base)?
Yes! Politicians do whatever they can to stay in the game and retract statements/positions when it is convenient. Have you been living under a rock???
Anonymous
09/04/2023 10:44
Subject: "No Labels" Party
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
So much free rent given to the idea of trump running as the GOP candidate. Biden will defeat him. No brainer.
It is frustrating that little energy and thought is given comparatively to who should run if Trump isn’t the candidate. It’s not the party die-hards that anyone needs to worry about, it is rest of the people who will need convincing. And whether you personally like Harris or not, she is not a compelling candidate or running mate for Biden if Trump isn’t running against them.
You understand that almost all of the GOP candidates raised their hands and said they would support Trump if he were the nominee, right?
I’ll believe it when I see it.
So are you saying people like Nikki Haley are lying when they said they would support Trump (in order to not inflame the MAGA base)?
Anonymous
09/04/2023 10:43
Subject: "No Labels" Party
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
So much free rent given to the idea of trump running as the GOP candidate. Biden will defeat him. No brainer.
It is frustrating that little energy and thought is given comparatively to who should run if Trump isn’t the candidate. It’s not the party die-hards that anyone needs to worry about, it is rest of the people who will need convincing. And whether you personally like Harris or not, she is not a compelling candidate or running mate for Biden if Trump isn’t running against them.
You understand that almost all of the GOP candidates raised their hands and said they would support Trump if he were the nominee, right?
I’ll believe it when I see it.
Anonymous
09/04/2023 08:00
Subject: "No Labels" Party
Anonymous wrote:
So much free rent given to the idea of trump running as the GOP candidate. Biden will defeat him. No brainer.
It is frustrating that little energy and thought is given comparatively to who should run if Trump isn’t the candidate. It’s not the party die-hards that anyone needs to worry about, it is rest of the people who will need convincing. And whether you personally like Harris or not, she is not a compelling candidate or running mate for Biden if Trump isn’t running against them.
You understand that almost all of the GOP candidates raised their hands and said they would support Trump if he were the nominee, right?
Anonymous
09/04/2023 07:27
Subject: "No Labels" Party
Anonymous wrote:
So much free rent given to the idea of trump running as the GOP candidate. Biden will defeat him. No brainer.
It is frustrating that little energy and thought is given comparatively to who should run if Trump isn’t the candidate. It’s not the party die-hards that anyone needs to worry about, it is rest of the people who will need convincing. And whether you personally like Harris or not, she is not a compelling candidate or running mate for Biden if Trump isn’t running against them.
Narrator: Trump is going to be the candidate, even if he is convicted by the GOP convention.
Anonymous
09/04/2023 07:26
Subject: "No Labels" Party
Anonymous wrote:
So much free rent given to the idea of trump running as the GOP candidate. Biden will defeat him. No brainer.
It is frustrating that little energy and thought is given comparatively to who should run if Trump isn’t the candidate. It’s not the party die-hards that anyone needs to worry about, it is rest of the people who will need convincing. And whether you personally like Harris or not, she is not a compelling candidate or running mate for Biden if Trump isn’t running against them.
Frustrating as it may be, the solution is not third parties which just function is as spoilers if they have any effect at all. That is the intent of this party but it is unlikely to succeed.
Look at Ohio's recent election. The GOP is trying to upset the inevitable outcome with non stop sleazy tactics like this third party business. And the voters are not fooled. The Ohio voters are paying attention and are going to get what they want, as they should.
Anonymous
09/04/2023 01:05
Subject: "No Labels" Party
So much free rent given to the idea of trump running as the GOP candidate. Biden will defeat him. No brainer.
It is frustrating that little energy and thought is given comparatively to who should run if Trump isn’t the candidate. It’s not the party die-hards that anyone needs to worry about, it is rest of the people who will need convincing. And whether you personally like Harris or not, she is not a compelling candidate or running mate for Biden if Trump isn’t running against them.
Anonymous
09/04/2023 00:55
Subject: Re:"No Labels" Party
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If former MD Governor Larry Hogan ran as a 3rd party candidate, would he be more likely to hurt Trump or Biden?
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/labels-group-steep-climb-party-worth-larry-hogan/story?id=101340213
If the D and R parties truly feel threatened by this 3rd party movement, there is an easy fix. Hogan describes the scenario for which No Labels may actually field a candidate in very plain language. If, come next spring, America's nightmare scenario of Trump and Biden being the nominees comes to fruition, it's a real possibility No labels will field a candidate simply due to demand from the American public for something better. If the Ds and Rs don't want to face competition from a 3rd party, and of course they don't, they just need to nominate something more appetizing than the lunatic orange old man and the elderly man.
So no labels can stamp their feet and have their silly tantrum and help get trump elected to protest that trump was one the nominees? That makes no sense. They help trump so they are pro trump.
If the Rs and Ds do no better than Trump vs Biden 2 in 2024, No Labels will seriously consider fielding a candidate. If the R or D parties nominate a normal candidate with a respectable favorbility rating amongst voters, they are unlikely to have a need to run. Not exactly rocket science here. If the Ds nominate a Bill Clinton or the Rs nominate a Mitt Romney, we won't have a No Labels candidate. It doesn't have to be both parties nominating someone different.
What about no labels helping get trump elected do you not understand? Rationalize helping give trump a second term how ever you want, it still results in the election of trump again.
We are not idiots. Don't tell me you object to trump and then help give him the white house.
If No Labels convinced Joe Manchin to run, then I don’t disagree. But do we know this is true for sure in the case of a lifelong Republican like Larry Hogan?
What difference does it make? The third part candidate does not win. They serve to assist one of the other candidates.
Again, they only plan to run if Trump AND Biden are the nominees. If Trump and Biden become the nominees with no viable 3rd party candidate, we'd be looking at the weakest presidential field in the history of our country and what makes you so sure the 3rd party has zero chance of winning in this unprecedented circumstance? No one with an IQ over 80 is voting for Trump in 2024 period. That gives pretty good odds to any viable candidate running against him. We just need someone with less obvious weaknesses running against him and we should be less concerned of where that candidate comes from. You can't rely on the recent failures of 3rd parties as predictors of what will happen in 2024 because our current political situation is far, far different from anything experienced our lifetimes.
They have zero chance of being anything but spoilers
And tell me, while you're so up on No Labels - what are their actual positions? Can you name three things they stand for, other than being not Trump or not Biden? I bet not! They're a cipher, there to project whatever you want onto them - and take your money.
For all of our sake, let's hope we don't see a Trump vs. Biden rematch in 2024 so we don't have to worry about any potential negative impact from these No Label folks. If we do have a Trump vs Biden rematch, the numbers show that most American voters would appreciate another option to consider. It is what it is. If you're an R or D party staffer or campaign worker whining about this 3rd party threat, get over it and become open to applying for work elsewhere.
Staffer? Please. Just a regular old soccer mom. Hopefully staffers have better things to do than engage in DCUM nonsense.
If no labels was so upset with a Biden candidacy, they would not have positions that mirror Biden positions. You need to get over thinking this "another option" bullcrap is fooling anyone.
Yes, the reasonable and rational thing to do is shouting down any thought of considering a 3rd option if stuck with Biden vs Trump in 2024.
The rational thing to do is do your homework and understand exactly what using your vote for the different options will do for your family. And if you choose a third party, you understand that that candidate does not win. Your vote for a third party serves to elect either the republican or the democrat.
I disagree. Voting third party is a way of sending a message to the establishment. It is not a waste, and possibly for the first time since Ross Perot, a third party has the chance to be on the stage if they find the right candidate.
Anonymous
09/04/2023 00:51
Subject: Re:"No Labels" Party
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If former MD Governor Larry Hogan ran as a 3rd party candidate, would he be more likely to hurt Trump or Biden?
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/labels-group-steep-climb-party-worth-larry-hogan/story?id=101340213
If the D and R parties truly feel threatened by this 3rd party movement, there is an easy fix. Hogan describes the scenario for which No Labels may actually field a candidate in very plain language. If, come next spring, America's nightmare scenario of Trump and Biden being the nominees comes to fruition, it's a real possibility No labels will field a candidate simply due to demand from the American public for something better. If the Ds and Rs don't want to face competition from a 3rd party, and of course they don't, they just need to nominate something more appetizing than the lunatic orange old man and the elderly man.
So no labels can stamp their feet and have their silly tantrum and help get trump elected to protest that trump was one the nominees? That makes no sense. They help trump so they are pro trump.
If the Rs and Ds do no better than Trump vs Biden 2 in 2024, No Labels will seriously consider fielding a candidate. If the R or D parties nominate a normal candidate with a respectable favorbility rating amongst voters, they are unlikely to have a need to run. Not exactly rocket science here. If the Ds nominate a Bill Clinton or the Rs nominate a Mitt Romney, we won't have a No Labels candidate. It doesn't have to be both parties nominating someone different.
What about no labels helping get trump elected do you not understand? Rationalize helping give trump a second term how ever you want, it still results in the election of trump again.
We are not idiots. Don't tell me you object to trump and then help give him the white house.
Take your whining to those responsible for trying to get Trump and Biden nominated again. The notion of a competent 3rd party candidate in 2024 isn't the root of the problem.
+1
A third party candidate from the likes of No Labels would hurt both Biden and Trump if both were to run. The support seems weak for both of them among the majority of people if given a reasonable alternative candidate. A mixed ticket team representing both liberal and conservative moderates might have a good chance.
BTW I am doubtful Trump can or will be the GOP nominee.