sorry for experience for you son. very disappointing. is dream NESCAC same school or different?

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Anonymous wrote:Well, my 3.2 gpa "big 3" DD just outright rejected from CU Boulder. I am flabbergasted. This is the most messed up college admissions cycle we have experienced yet. What a mess.

I'm so sorry. This must be stressful. Did DD submit SAT or ACT scores? I do wonder if at these large schools it's harder for Big-3 students to complete bc of the lack of grade inflation, and so students need to submit standardized test scores. Did DD apply to any schools early?

She did submit. It was not a high ACT, but was above the 50th% range, so counselor said definitely submit. It's all about GPA now that TO is the norm. With so much grade inflation everywhere else, anything lower than a 3.7, no matter the school, is automatically out at large universities. I wish my kids had never attended the school they did. Not just because of college acceptances, but because they never felt anything other than like they were the stupid kids and end their senior year feeling ilke failures because the majority of their classmates are attending top 30 colleges and universities. I wish they had just had normal childhoods, surrounded by normal people who don't judge based on college matriculation.

yikes - $160k on hs to come out feeling like the stupid kid - empathize with you and totally agree that it was a mistake - hard pass on the private route for me.

I was weak and let my husband and his family force this. I fought for years to get them out, but couldn't win. The only option was to divorce and that seemed extreme. Honestly, I wish I had and had hired a lawyer to win the fight. You are making the right choice. It was an absolutely horrible experience and I live with regret everyday that we don't get a do-over for my poor kids.

Try not to look at private school as having failed your child: your child will probably be more prepared for his/her first year of college than others. My DS is rocking his first year of college, because he is prepared.

It’s fine to assume your kid will be well prepared, but don’t assume they’ll be “more” prepared than others. My public school DS with his “fake” high school GPA is crushing it as a premed chemistry major in his top 5 SLAC and his roommate is a public school kid from Indiana who basically carried their entire friend group through organic chemistry, and the international students from Asian countries are settling the bar for all of them. And doing this while balancing work study jobs.

I’m not denying the quality of a private school education but it’s the height of arrogance to think that public school kids at top colleges and universities aren’t going to be equally well prepared.

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Anonymous wrote:DS is an OK student at a Big-3 (Sidwell/GDS/StA)--B average, with a good number of AP/honors/"upper level" courses. SATs average for the school (1400s). Let's assume no hook, or small hook. Full pay (no FA or scholarship needed.) Will probably write a strong essay, but not astonishingly good. What are typical target schools for this kind of student? Thank you!

Any Top 10-30 SLAC.

Tulane ED.

Unfortunately, this is incorrect. True, maybe Tulane ED. But no way for anything under top 25 SLAC. No Hamilton, no Colby, not with a straight B average. My kid is between B and B+ from a Big 3 and even as a top athletic recruit--like the top--could not get past pre-reads for top 20 SLACS.

Coaches have a lot of control with tips at SLACs (Williams grad and recruited athlete who graduated in the last decade-ish), so I'm really shocked this was the case with your son. Did he apply ED? The coaches should have given him an idea of what was possible.

The coaches and his college counselors were sure he would be fine. Grades were on the lower range for admitted kids from his school, but not way off. He was told, hands down, he was the TOP recruit. Coach was shocked when he didn't pass the pre-read, but admissions said no way. This was all around the NESCAC pre-read, July 1. He was devastated. Wound up committing to a top 25 D1 instead, so no, did not apply ED to the NESCAC that denied him at the pre-read. With that said, is having second thoughts about D1, which doesn't have ED, so has no binding commitment and applied to dream NESCAC RD in hopes just maybe he will still get in. Given the rejections he has received from two safeties he also did, just in case, hopes are not high.

sorry for your DC, but this sounds unusual. Could you share the sport? We went through process at a top NESCAC and coach guidance was spot on - but maybe that depends on the sport. Track and field may be different than the helmet sports for instance

I don't know why people are so dubious of my story. I won't share the sport or school because I am very paranoid about posting on here. It is not football or basketball, but is a very popular sport--not track--that lots of kids play around here. The coach was fairly familiar with our private and said, yeah, these grades are a little low, but admissions understands the rigor, it should be fine. The coach texted my kid on June 28 and said something along the lines of, can't wait to call you on Friday! (which was July 1). Friday came and went with no call, so we knew there was a problem. Monday was a holiday. Coach called at 8 am on Tuesday, July 6, and said they worked all weekend to try to convince admissions but they said, no way. Kid then spent the summer weighing a D3 offer at a lower ranked school that he really liked with the D1 offer he had had since January. The D1 school has a much higher academic repuation, but was just never the kid's first choice and he was never really intent on playing D1 because of academic concerns and wanting to play but also enjoy college. He is very good at his sport. Not top D1, but top NESCAC and lower D1 level. I hope these details will convince you all that I am not making it up. A 3.2 from a rigorous DC private was not enough to get a top NESCAC recruit past the pre-read.

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Anonymous wrote:DS is an OK student at a Big-3 (Sidwell/GDS/StA)--B average, with a good number of AP/honors/"upper level" courses. SATs average for the school (1400s). Let's assume no hook, or small hook. Full pay (no FA or scholarship needed.) Will probably write a strong essay, but not astonishingly good. What are typical target schools for this kind of student? Thank you!

Any Top 10-30 SLAC.

Tulane ED.

Unfortunately, this is incorrect. True, maybe Tulane ED. But no way for anything under top 25 SLAC. No Hamilton, no Colby, not with a straight B average. My kid is between B and B+ from a Big 3 and even as a top athletic recruit--like the top--could not get past pre-reads for top 20 SLACS.

Coaches have a lot of control with tips at SLACs (Williams grad and recruited athlete who graduated in the last decade-ish), so I'm really shocked this was the case with your son. Did he apply ED? The coaches should have given him an idea of what was possible.

The coaches and his college counselors were sure he would be fine. Grades were on the lower range for admitted kids from his school, but not way off. He was told, hands down, he was the TOP recruit. Coach was shocked when he didn't pass the pre-read, but admissions said no way. This was all around the NESCAC pre-read, July 1. He was devastated. Wound up committing to a top 25 D1 instead, so no, did not apply ED to the NESCAC that denied him at the pre-read. With that said, is having second thoughts about D1, which doesn't have ED, so has no binding commitment and applied to dream NESCAC RD in hopes just maybe he will still get in. Given the rejections he has received from two safeties he also did, just in case, hopes are not high.

sorry for your DC, but this sounds unusual. Could you share the sport? We went through process at a top NESCAC and coach guidance was spot on - but maybe that depends on the sport. Track and field may be different than the helmet sports for instance

If anyone has insight into track and field academic recruiting standards at NESCAC or similar, please share!

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Anonymous wrote:DS is an OK student at a Big-3 (Sidwell/GDS/StA)--B average, with a good number of AP/honors/"upper level" courses. SATs average for the school (1400s). Let's assume no hook, or small hook. Full pay (no FA or scholarship needed.) Will probably write a strong essay, but not astonishingly good. What are typical target schools for this kind of student? Thank you!

Any Top 10-30 SLAC.

Tulane ED.

Unfortunately, this is incorrect. True, maybe Tulane ED. But no way for anything under top 25 SLAC. No Hamilton, no Colby, not with a straight B average. My kid is between B and B+ from a Big 3 and even as a top athletic recruit--like the top--could not get past pre-reads for top 20 SLACS.

Coaches have a lot of control with tips at SLACs (Williams grad and recruited athlete who graduated in the last decade-ish), so I'm really shocked this was the case with your son. Did he apply ED? The coaches should have given him an idea of what was possible.

The coaches and his college counselors were sure he would be fine. Grades were on the lower range for admitted kids from his school, but not way off. He was told, hands down, he was the TOP recruit. Coach was shocked when he didn't pass the pre-read, but admissions said no way. This was all around the NESCAC pre-read, July 1. He was devastated. Wound up committing to a top 25 D1 instead, so no, did not apply ED to the NESCAC that denied him at the pre-read. With that said, is having second thoughts about D1, which doesn't have ED, so has no binding commitment and applied to dream NESCAC RD in hopes just maybe he will still get in. Given the rejections he has received from two safeties he also did, just in case, hopes are not high.

sorry for your DC, but this sounds unusual. Could you share the sport? We went through process at a top NESCAC and coach guidance was spot on - but maybe that depends on the sport. Track and field may be different than the helmet sports for instance

Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, this is incorrect. True, maybe Tulane ED. But no way for anything under top 25 SLAC. No Hamilton, no Colby, not with a straight B average. My kid is between B and B+ from a Big 3 and even as a top athletic recruit--like the top--could not get past pre-reads for top 20 SLACS.

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If your kid was truly a “top athletic recruit”, they would have been offered a slot.

Coach was saving his slot for him, admissions said his stats still weren't high enough. He is now committed to a high academic D1, who have less stringent academic requirements for athletic recruits than the top NESCACs. Sorry this seems to bother you, but it's the truth.

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Anonymous wrote:DS is an OK student at a Big-3 (Sidwell/GDS/StA)--B average, with a good number of AP/honors/"upper level" courses. SATs average for the school (1400s). Let's assume no hook, or small hook. Full pay (no FA or scholarship needed.) Will probably write a strong essay, but not astonishingly good. What are typical target schools for this kind of student? Thank you!

Any Top 10-30 SLAC.

Tulane ED.

Unfortunately, this is incorrect. True, maybe Tulane ED. But no way for anything under top 25 SLAC. No Hamilton, no Colby, not with a straight B average. My kid is between B and B+ from a Big 3 and even as a top athletic recruit--like the top--could not get past pre-reads for top 20 SLACS.

Coaches have a lot of control with tips at SLACs (Williams grad and recruited athlete who graduated in the last decade-ish), so I'm really shocked this was the case with your son. Did he apply ED? The coaches should have given him an idea of what was possible.

The coaches and his college counselors were sure he would be fine. Grades were on the lower range for admitted kids from his school, but not way off. He was told, hands down, he was the TOP recruit. Coach was shocked when he didn't pass the pre-read, but admissions said no way. This was all around the NESCAC pre-read, July 1. He was devastated. Wound up committing to a top 25 D1 instead, so no, did not apply ED to the NESCAC that denied him at the pre-read. With that said, is having second thoughts about D1, which doesn't have ED, so has no binding commitment and applied to dream NESCAC RD in hopes just maybe he will still get in. Given the rejections he has received from two safeties he also did, just in case, hopes are not high.

Anonymous wrote:ED - Wake, Villanova, BC, Lehigh, Bucknell, W&M, or Colby/Bates/Trinity

Lolololol, not with those stats.

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Anonymous wrote:DS is an OK student at a Big-3 (Sidwell/GDS/StA)--B average, with a good number of AP/honors/"upper level" courses. SATs average for the school (1400s). Let's assume no hook, or small hook. Full pay (no FA or scholarship needed.) Will probably write a strong essay, but not astonishingly good. What are typical target schools for this kind of student? Thank you!

Any Top 10-30 SLAC.

Tulane ED.

Unfortunately, this is incorrect. True, maybe Tulane ED. But no way for anything under top 25 SLAC. No Hamilton, no Colby, not with a straight B average. My kid is between B and B+ from a Big 3 and even as a top athletic recruit--like the top--could not get past pre-reads for top 20 SLACS.

Interesting, a decent amount of kids in top 20 to 40 percent at our private get into T20 slacs.

Okay, but a B average at "big 3" doesn't put a student in the top 20 to 40 per cent. It typically puts them in the bottom third.

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Anonymous wrote:DS is an OK student at a Big-3 (Sidwell/GDS/StA)--B average, with a good number of AP/honors/"upper level" courses. SATs average for the school (1400s). Let's assume no hook, or small hook. Full pay (no FA or scholarship needed.) Will probably write a strong essay, but not astonishingly good. What are typical target schools for this kind of student? Thank you!

Any Top 10-30 SLAC.

Tulane ED.

Unfortunately, this is incorrect. True, maybe Tulane ED. But no way for anything under top 25 SLAC. No Hamilton, no Colby, not with a straight B average. My kid is between B and B+ from a Big 3 and even as a top athletic recruit--like the top--could not get past pre-reads for top 20 SLACS.

Coaches have a lot of control with tips at SLACs (Williams grad and recruited athlete who graduated in the last decade-ish), so I'm really shocked this was the case with your son. Did he apply ED? The coaches should have given him an idea of what was possible.

Anonymous wrote:I wonder why so many posts from this thread were deleted? They were harmless and helpful. Strange.

Maybe they identified someone??

Unfortunately, this is incorrect. True, maybe Tulane ED. But no way for anything under top 25 SLAC. No Hamilton, no Colby, not with a straight B average. My kid is between B and B+ from a Big 3 and even as a top athletic recruit--like the top--could not get past pre-reads for top 20 SLACS.

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If your kid was truly a “top athletic recruit”, they would have been offered a slot.

I wonder why so many posts from this thread were deleted? They were harmless and helpful. Strange.

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Anonymous wrote:DS is an OK student at a Big-3 (Sidwell/GDS/StA)--B average, with a good number of AP/honors/"upper level" courses. SATs average for the school (1400s). Let's assume no hook, or small hook. Full pay (no FA or scholarship needed.) Will probably write a strong essay, but not astonishingly good. What are typical target schools for this kind of student? Thank you!

Any Top 10-30 SLAC.

Tulane ED.

Unfortunately, this is incorrect. True, maybe Tulane ED. But no way for anything under top 25 SLAC. No Hamilton, no Colby, not with a straight B average. My kid is between B and B+ from a Big 3 and even as a top athletic recruit--like the top--could not get past pre-reads for top 20 SLACS.

Interesting, a decent amount of kids in top 20 to 40 percent at our private get into T20 slacs.

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Anonymous wrote:DS is an OK student at a Big-3 (Sidwell/GDS/StA)--B average, with a good number of AP/honors/"upper level" courses. SATs average for the school (1400s). Let's assume no hook, or small hook. Full pay (no FA or scholarship needed.) Will probably write a strong essay, but not astonishingly good. What are typical target schools for this kind of student? Thank you!

Any Top 10-30 SLAC.

Tulane ED.

Unfortunately, this is incorrect. True, maybe Tulane ED. But no way for anything under top 25 SLAC. No Hamilton, no Colby, not with a straight B average. My kid is between B and B+ from a Big 3 and even as a top athletic recruit--like the top--could not get past pre-reads for top 20 SLACS.