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Anonymous wrote:Who on the council is "falling all over themselves to praise police?"

The only example I can think of is Elrich's absurd covid bonuses.

I’m the PP who posted above about the council’s treatment of police. I can’t think of one time I’ve witnessed this, and I do watch council proceedings.

All one needs to do is go to certain council members’ social media accounts and search for references to the police. It’s just criticism after criticism after criticism. No support at all. Recruitment for police is down nationwide, but it is critical here.

Names? Examples?

Hucker and Jawando were the worst. Riemer on occasion.

This new Council? Mink.

So 2 out of 11 current councilmembers are by themselves making police work so difficult that they need to reduce traffic stops by 2/3? Through their Twitter posts.

Well, I suppose if you limit their impact to solely social media.

But don't forget the 30+ new legal mandates they've placed on police over the past 2 years, and all the negative discussion that surrounded those deliberations.

I was about to post this. Thank you.

That sounds very persuasive but the police themselves are not blaming the "30+ legal mandates" for the work stoppage. They are blaming the "rhetoric". And I actually have listened to council sessions and find the notion that the rhetoric during the sessions was in any way offensive or abusive towards police hilarious. There are current and former councilmembers that are abusive bullies. Jawando, Hucker, Riemer and Mink are not in this group.

Have you been listening to the council for the past couple of years? You don’t see the hostility?

In any case, it doesn’t matter if you see it. We went from full recruit classes and the pick of applicants to barely being able to fill a class. This used to be the county law enforcement officers wanted to work for. It was a premier department. Now we can’t keep pace with any of the neighboring counties. The word is out that officers aren’t supported. It doesn’t matter whether you see it. Others do.

I think that MCPD has been saying "We're not like those other terrible police departments!" and that's true, but that doesn't mean there aren't also problems with MCPD. Plus the Montgomery County Council doesn't have legislative and funding authority over those other terrible police departments; it has legislative and funding authority over MCPD.

How is recruiting for the Gaithersburg PD and the Rockville PD, by the way?

And the problems are? What I see is a lot of localizing national issues where it is just not relevant. Or crazy nitpicking.

People should be grateful that we have MCPD and not those other police departments. My fear is that this constant and ridiculous barrage against MCPD will only lead in one direction, MCPD getting worse.

Well, there you go. There are problems, but you don't consider them serious, just "crazy nitpicking".

Am I grateful that we have MCPD and not, for example, NYPD? Yes, I am. I think it's reasonable to expect more from our police department than merely "less bad than other police departments that are notoriously terrible".

What are the problems? Please identify them and be specific.

Honestly, PP. For any problems here, short of police murder, you will dismiss them as "crazy nitpicking." Are you the one who keeps saying people should listen to police officers? Well, how about you listen to people talking about their experiences with policing.

So you refuse to actually state any specific problem with MCPD? But I am supposed to just accept your word for it that it has vaguely defined “problems”? No thanks.

No, you are supposed to listen to people who have given many such examples in the public arena in real life.

+1 including on this thread but PP just denies denies denies so they can justify the fact that MCPD is totally resistant to reform. They are driving recruits away, not a small minority of the County Council. Who would want to be a part of an organization where one is expected to protect fellow officers that harass and abuse BIPOC people.

I haven’t read the whole thread. So maybe you could provide a link? Thanks!

Oh my goodness, in no universe are you remotely interested in this topic if you cannot even lift a finger to do a simple Google search. Honestly, stay ignorant and stop wasting people's time on here pretending you know absolutely anything about policing in Montgomery County.

I have a legitimate question. You are telling me that MCPD are bad and I just want to understand specifically why. It is weird that you refuse to provide any other explanation that telling me to use Google.

How is it you are so entitled that you can't even read past posts on this thread. You are not interested in learning. You are interested in arguing and wasting people's time.

Dear god. Please show me what I am missing. I would be happy to agree with you if I even knew what the problem is. You don’t even cite any specific incident or problem, just generally vague complaints that amount to vibes. I am a POC and have lived in a lot of places in my life and I can tell you, the vibes that I get from MCPD are pretty darn good. If there was a specific incident or incidents that can demonstrate that my experience is not the norm, I would really love to hear it and understand it. But you are absolutely not even trying to help me understand what the issue or your specific concern is. Instead you just make ad hominem attacks when I ask basic questions for understanding.

You literally asked for links to past posts on this thread. No. READ IT YOURSELF.

DP here. I have read this entire thread, and I don’t know which links you’re referring to. Can you please be more specific?

Also, I hope you did report your concerns to MCPD if you are the poster who witnessed something.
Here’s the link:
https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/howdoI/compliments-complaints.html
If you haven’t told them, I encourage you to do so.

It's obvious if you just read what PP is responding to. But you are yet another who just wants to argue. That's fine, just share what you believe, don't pretend you are trying to "learn".

Just took a look at this entire sub thread again. All I see are vague generalities about MCPD being bad. If you truly feel that’s the case, then I sincerely hope you have used the link above to report it. If you haven’t, why not? Also, there’s absolutely nothing argumentative about my post. Nothing at all.

You have an opportunity here to “teach,” yet you aren’t taking it. I’m not certain this is worth continuing.

What makes you think I want to teach you anything? You have no interest in learning, just arguing. I posted earlier to dispute blatant lies being posted, such as the notion that the Council (or more specifically 2 out of 11 members) have hurt MCPD's feeling so deeply that they are unable to do their jobs, so much so that MCPD specifically cites "the rhetoric" for reducing traffic stops by two-thirds.

6/26/2020:
"DEFUND THE POLICE
DEFUND THE POLICE
DEFUND THE POLICE
DEFUND THE POLICE
DEFUND THE POLICE"

6/20/2020:
"When Trump refuses to leave office, whose side do you think the cops are going to be on? Disarm and defund these goons. NOW."

1/26/2021:
"This is what 'Defund the police, invest in community" looks like in action. Literally use money from the bloated police budge for things that actually, tangibly make people safer and healthier. Instead of harrassing and arresting unhoused people, house them."

10/28/2020:
"These are the thugs. This is the gang. Defund the police. Build a new system. Nobody can see all this and still truly believe that this is a redeemable form of public safety."

9/24/2020:
"These people's tax dollars pay those cops' salaries. What a sick joke. DEFUND THE POLICE."

All of these quotes are from Kristin Mink. She's currently sitting on our Public Safety Committee.

If the police can't do their jobs because of some tweets from one councilmember out of 11, sounds to me like her complaint that we are paying too much for police are spot on.

I have yet to see any evidence that police aren’t doing their jobs. I’ve seen one comment on this site that was paraphrased to suggest that, but nothing more.

We all know that minds will not be changed here on DCUM. Those who support her comments will continue to do so, and those who don’t will continue to do so.

So you think she was wrong to criticize the behavior of the Philadelphia police related to the killing of Walter Wallace Jr.?

Of course not. I read that tweet as a criticism of ALL police, however, not just the Philadelphia police. I see it as a condemnation of all men and women who serve as police. Her word choice is quite clear. When that tweet is considered alongside all of her others, it is even more clear.

I believe police should be held accountable. Where I think I differ is that I don’t hold ALL police accountable for the actions of a few. I can condemn despicable actions while simultaneously supporting the actions of those who serve honorably. I’m well aware there are others who can’t make that distinction.

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Anonymous wrote:Who on the council is "falling all over themselves to praise police?"

The only example I can think of is Elrich's absurd covid bonuses.

I’m the PP who posted above about the council’s treatment of police. I can’t think of one time I’ve witnessed this, and I do watch council proceedings.

All one needs to do is go to certain council members’ social media accounts and search for references to the police. It’s just criticism after criticism after criticism. No support at all. Recruitment for police is down nationwide, but it is critical here.

Names? Examples?

Hucker and Jawando were the worst. Riemer on occasion.

This new Council? Mink.

So 2 out of 11 current councilmembers are by themselves making police work so difficult that they need to reduce traffic stops by 2/3? Through their Twitter posts.

Well, I suppose if you limit their impact to solely social media.

But don't forget the 30+ new legal mandates they've placed on police over the past 2 years, and all the negative discussion that surrounded those deliberations.

I was about to post this. Thank you.

That sounds very persuasive but the police themselves are not blaming the "30+ legal mandates" for the work stoppage. They are blaming the "rhetoric". And I actually have listened to council sessions and find the notion that the rhetoric during the sessions was in any way offensive or abusive towards police hilarious. There are current and former councilmembers that are abusive bullies. Jawando, Hucker, Riemer and Mink are not in this group.

Have you been listening to the council for the past couple of years? You don’t see the hostility?

In any case, it doesn’t matter if you see it. We went from full recruit classes and the pick of applicants to barely being able to fill a class. This used to be the county law enforcement officers wanted to work for. It was a premier department. Now we can’t keep pace with any of the neighboring counties. The word is out that officers aren’t supported. It doesn’t matter whether you see it. Others do.

I think that MCPD has been saying "We're not like those other terrible police departments!" and that's true, but that doesn't mean there aren't also problems with MCPD. Plus the Montgomery County Council doesn't have legislative and funding authority over those other terrible police departments; it has legislative and funding authority over MCPD.

How is recruiting for the Gaithersburg PD and the Rockville PD, by the way?

And the problems are? What I see is a lot of localizing national issues where it is just not relevant. Or crazy nitpicking.

People should be grateful that we have MCPD and not those other police departments. My fear is that this constant and ridiculous barrage against MCPD will only lead in one direction, MCPD getting worse.

Well, there you go. There are problems, but you don't consider them serious, just "crazy nitpicking".

Am I grateful that we have MCPD and not, for example, NYPD? Yes, I am. I think it's reasonable to expect more from our police department than merely "less bad than other police departments that are notoriously terrible".

What are the problems? Please identify them and be specific.

Honestly, PP. For any problems here, short of police murder, you will dismiss them as "crazy nitpicking." Are you the one who keeps saying people should listen to police officers? Well, how about you listen to people talking about their experiences with policing.

So you refuse to actually state any specific problem with MCPD? But I am supposed to just accept your word for it that it has vaguely defined “problems”? No thanks.

No, you are supposed to listen to people who have given many such examples in the public arena in real life.

+1 including on this thread but PP just denies denies denies so they can justify the fact that MCPD is totally resistant to reform. They are driving recruits away, not a small minority of the County Council. Who would want to be a part of an organization where one is expected to protect fellow officers that harass and abuse BIPOC people.

I haven’t read the whole thread. So maybe you could provide a link? Thanks!

Oh my goodness, in no universe are you remotely interested in this topic if you cannot even lift a finger to do a simple Google search. Honestly, stay ignorant and stop wasting people's time on here pretending you know absolutely anything about policing in Montgomery County.

I have a legitimate question. You are telling me that MCPD are bad and I just want to understand specifically why. It is weird that you refuse to provide any other explanation that telling me to use Google.

How is it you are so entitled that you can't even read past posts on this thread. You are not interested in learning. You are interested in arguing and wasting people's time.

Dear god. Please show me what I am missing. I would be happy to agree with you if I even knew what the problem is. You don’t even cite any specific incident or problem, just generally vague complaints that amount to vibes. I am a POC and have lived in a lot of places in my life and I can tell you, the vibes that I get from MCPD are pretty darn good. If there was a specific incident or incidents that can demonstrate that my experience is not the norm, I would really love to hear it and understand it. But you are absolutely not even trying to help me understand what the issue or your specific concern is. Instead you just make ad hominem attacks when I ask basic questions for understanding.

You literally asked for links to past posts on this thread. No. READ IT YOURSELF.

DP here. I have read this entire thread, and I don’t know which links you’re referring to. Can you please be more specific?

Also, I hope you did report your concerns to MCPD if you are the poster who witnessed something.
Here’s the link:
https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/howdoI/compliments-complaints.html
If you haven’t told them, I encourage you to do so.

It's obvious if you just read what PP is responding to. But you are yet another who just wants to argue. That's fine, just share what you believe, don't pretend you are trying to "learn".

Just took a look at this entire sub thread again. All I see are vague generalities about MCPD being bad. If you truly feel that’s the case, then I sincerely hope you have used the link above to report it. If you haven’t, why not? Also, there’s absolutely nothing argumentative about my post. Nothing at all.

You have an opportunity here to “teach,” yet you aren’t taking it. I’m not certain this is worth continuing.

What makes you think I want to teach you anything? You have no interest in learning, just arguing. I posted earlier to dispute blatant lies being posted, such as the notion that the Council (or more specifically 2 out of 11 members) have hurt MCPD's feeling so deeply that they are unable to do their jobs, so much so that MCPD specifically cites "the rhetoric" for reducing traffic stops by two-thirds.

6/26/2020:
"DEFUND THE POLICE
DEFUND THE POLICE
DEFUND THE POLICE
DEFUND THE POLICE
DEFUND THE POLICE"

6/20/2020:
"When Trump refuses to leave office, whose side do you think the cops are going to be on? Disarm and defund these goons. NOW."

1/26/2021:
"This is what 'Defund the police, invest in community" looks like in action. Literally use money from the bloated police budge for things that actually, tangibly make people safer and healthier. Instead of harrassing and arresting unhoused people, house them."

10/28/2020:
"These are the thugs. This is the gang. Defund the police. Build a new system. Nobody can see all this and still truly believe that this is a redeemable form of public safety."

9/24/2020:
"These people's tax dollars pay those cops' salaries. What a sick joke. DEFUND THE POLICE."

All of these quotes are from Kristin Mink. She's currently sitting on our Public Safety Committee.

If the police can't do their jobs because of some tweets from one councilmember out of 11, sounds to me like her complaint that we are paying too much for police are spot on.

I have yet to see any evidence that police aren’t doing their jobs. I’ve seen one comment on this site that was paraphrased to suggest that, but nothing more.

We all know that minds will not be changed here on DCUM. Those who support her comments will continue to do so, and those who don’t will continue to do so.

So you think she was wrong to criticize the behavior of the Philadelphia police related to the killing of Walter Wallace Jr.?

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Anonymous wrote:Who on the council is "falling all over themselves to praise police?"

The only example I can think of is Elrich's absurd covid bonuses.

I’m the PP who posted above about the council’s treatment of police. I can’t think of one time I’ve witnessed this, and I do watch council proceedings.

All one needs to do is go to certain council members’ social media accounts and search for references to the police. It’s just criticism after criticism after criticism. No support at all. Recruitment for police is down nationwide, but it is critical here.

Names? Examples?

Hucker and Jawando were the worst. Riemer on occasion.

This new Council? Mink.

So 2 out of 11 current councilmembers are by themselves making police work so difficult that they need to reduce traffic stops by 2/3? Through their Twitter posts.

Well, I suppose if you limit their impact to solely social media.

But don't forget the 30+ new legal mandates they've placed on police over the past 2 years, and all the negative discussion that surrounded those deliberations.

I was about to post this. Thank you.

That sounds very persuasive but the police themselves are not blaming the "30+ legal mandates" for the work stoppage. They are blaming the "rhetoric". And I actually have listened to council sessions and find the notion that the rhetoric during the sessions was in any way offensive or abusive towards police hilarious. There are current and former councilmembers that are abusive bullies. Jawando, Hucker, Riemer and Mink are not in this group.

Have you been listening to the council for the past couple of years? You don’t see the hostility?

In any case, it doesn’t matter if you see it. We went from full recruit classes and the pick of applicants to barely being able to fill a class. This used to be the county law enforcement officers wanted to work for. It was a premier department. Now we can’t keep pace with any of the neighboring counties. The word is out that officers aren’t supported. It doesn’t matter whether you see it. Others do.

I think that MCPD has been saying "We're not like those other terrible police departments!" and that's true, but that doesn't mean there aren't also problems with MCPD. Plus the Montgomery County Council doesn't have legislative and funding authority over those other terrible police departments; it has legislative and funding authority over MCPD.

How is recruiting for the Gaithersburg PD and the Rockville PD, by the way?

And the problems are? What I see is a lot of localizing national issues where it is just not relevant. Or crazy nitpicking.

People should be grateful that we have MCPD and not those other police departments. My fear is that this constant and ridiculous barrage against MCPD will only lead in one direction, MCPD getting worse.

Well, there you go. There are problems, but you don't consider them serious, just "crazy nitpicking".

Am I grateful that we have MCPD and not, for example, NYPD? Yes, I am. I think it's reasonable to expect more from our police department than merely "less bad than other police departments that are notoriously terrible".

What are the problems? Please identify them and be specific.

Honestly, PP. For any problems here, short of police murder, you will dismiss them as "crazy nitpicking." Are you the one who keeps saying people should listen to police officers? Well, how about you listen to people talking about their experiences with policing.

So you refuse to actually state any specific problem with MCPD? But I am supposed to just accept your word for it that it has vaguely defined “problems”? No thanks.

No, you are supposed to listen to people who have given many such examples in the public arena in real life.

+1 including on this thread but PP just denies denies denies so they can justify the fact that MCPD is totally resistant to reform. They are driving recruits away, not a small minority of the County Council. Who would want to be a part of an organization where one is expected to protect fellow officers that harass and abuse BIPOC people.

I haven’t read the whole thread. So maybe you could provide a link? Thanks!

Oh my goodness, in no universe are you remotely interested in this topic if you cannot even lift a finger to do a simple Google search. Honestly, stay ignorant and stop wasting people's time on here pretending you know absolutely anything about policing in Montgomery County.

I have a legitimate question. You are telling me that MCPD are bad and I just want to understand specifically why. It is weird that you refuse to provide any other explanation that telling me to use Google.

How is it you are so entitled that you can't even read past posts on this thread. You are not interested in learning. You are interested in arguing and wasting people's time.

Dear god. Please show me what I am missing. I would be happy to agree with you if I even knew what the problem is. You don’t even cite any specific incident or problem, just generally vague complaints that amount to vibes. I am a POC and have lived in a lot of places in my life and I can tell you, the vibes that I get from MCPD are pretty darn good. If there was a specific incident or incidents that can demonstrate that my experience is not the norm, I would really love to hear it and understand it. But you are absolutely not even trying to help me understand what the issue or your specific concern is. Instead you just make ad hominem attacks when I ask basic questions for understanding.

You literally asked for links to past posts on this thread. No. READ IT YOURSELF.

DP here. I have read this entire thread, and I don’t know which links you’re referring to. Can you please be more specific?

Also, I hope you did report your concerns to MCPD if you are the poster who witnessed something.
Here’s the link:
https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/howdoI/compliments-complaints.html
If you haven’t told them, I encourage you to do so.

It's obvious if you just read what PP is responding to. But you are yet another who just wants to argue. That's fine, just share what you believe, don't pretend you are trying to "learn".

Just took a look at this entire sub thread again. All I see are vague generalities about MCPD being bad. If you truly feel that’s the case, then I sincerely hope you have used the link above to report it. If you haven’t, why not? Also, there’s absolutely nothing argumentative about my post. Nothing at all.

You have an opportunity here to “teach,” yet you aren’t taking it. I’m not certain this is worth continuing.

What makes you think I want to teach you anything? You have no interest in learning, just arguing. I posted earlier to dispute blatant lies being posted, such as the notion that the Council (or more specifically 2 out of 11 members) have hurt MCPD's feeling so deeply that they are unable to do their jobs, so much so that MCPD specifically cites "the rhetoric" for reducing traffic stops by two-thirds.

6/26/2020:
"DEFUND THE POLICE
DEFUND THE POLICE
DEFUND THE POLICE
DEFUND THE POLICE
DEFUND THE POLICE"

6/20/2020:
"When Trump refuses to leave office, whose side do you think the cops are going to be on? Disarm and defund these goons. NOW."

1/26/2021:
"This is what 'Defund the police, invest in community" looks like in action. Literally use money from the bloated police budge for things that actually, tangibly make people safer and healthier. Instead of harrassing and arresting unhoused people, house them."

10/28/2020:
"These are the thugs. This is the gang. Defund the police. Build a new system. Nobody can see all this and still truly believe that this is a redeemable form of public safety."

9/24/2020:
"These people's tax dollars pay those cops' salaries. What a sick joke. DEFUND THE POLICE."

All of these quotes are from Kristin Mink. She's currently sitting on our Public Safety Committee.

If the police can't do their jobs because of some tweets from one councilmember out of 11, sounds to me like her complaint that we are paying too much for police are spot on.

I have yet to see any evidence that police aren’t doing their jobs. I’ve seen one comment on this site that was paraphrased to suggest that, but nothing more.

We all know that minds will not be changed here on DCUM. Those who support her comments will continue to do so, and those who don’t will continue to do so.

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Anonymous wrote:Who on the council is "falling all over themselves to praise police?"

The only example I can think of is Elrich's absurd covid bonuses.

I’m the PP who posted above about the council’s treatment of police. I can’t think of one time I’ve witnessed this, and I do watch council proceedings.

All one needs to do is go to certain council members’ social media accounts and search for references to the police. It’s just criticism after criticism after criticism. No support at all. Recruitment for police is down nationwide, but it is critical here.

Names? Examples?

Hucker and Jawando were the worst. Riemer on occasion.

This new Council? Mink.

So 2 out of 11 current councilmembers are by themselves making police work so difficult that they need to reduce traffic stops by 2/3? Through their Twitter posts.

Well, I suppose if you limit their impact to solely social media.

But don't forget the 30+ new legal mandates they've placed on police over the past 2 years, and all the negative discussion that surrounded those deliberations.

I was about to post this. Thank you.

That sounds very persuasive but the police themselves are not blaming the "30+ legal mandates" for the work stoppage. They are blaming the "rhetoric". And I actually have listened to council sessions and find the notion that the rhetoric during the sessions was in any way offensive or abusive towards police hilarious. There are current and former councilmembers that are abusive bullies. Jawando, Hucker, Riemer and Mink are not in this group.

Have you been listening to the council for the past couple of years? You don’t see the hostility?

In any case, it doesn’t matter if you see it. We went from full recruit classes and the pick of applicants to barely being able to fill a class. This used to be the county law enforcement officers wanted to work for. It was a premier department. Now we can’t keep pace with any of the neighboring counties. The word is out that officers aren’t supported. It doesn’t matter whether you see it. Others do.

I think that MCPD has been saying "We're not like those other terrible police departments!" and that's true, but that doesn't mean there aren't also problems with MCPD. Plus the Montgomery County Council doesn't have legislative and funding authority over those other terrible police departments; it has legislative and funding authority over MCPD.

How is recruiting for the Gaithersburg PD and the Rockville PD, by the way?

And the problems are? What I see is a lot of localizing national issues where it is just not relevant. Or crazy nitpicking.

People should be grateful that we have MCPD and not those other police departments. My fear is that this constant and ridiculous barrage against MCPD will only lead in one direction, MCPD getting worse.

Well, there you go. There are problems, but you don't consider them serious, just "crazy nitpicking".

Am I grateful that we have MCPD and not, for example, NYPD? Yes, I am. I think it's reasonable to expect more from our police department than merely "less bad than other police departments that are notoriously terrible".

What are the problems? Please identify them and be specific.

Honestly, PP. For any problems here, short of police murder, you will dismiss them as "crazy nitpicking." Are you the one who keeps saying people should listen to police officers? Well, how about you listen to people talking about their experiences with policing.

So you refuse to actually state any specific problem with MCPD? But I am supposed to just accept your word for it that it has vaguely defined “problems”? No thanks.

No, you are supposed to listen to people who have given many such examples in the public arena in real life.

+1 including on this thread but PP just denies denies denies so they can justify the fact that MCPD is totally resistant to reform. They are driving recruits away, not a small minority of the County Council. Who would want to be a part of an organization where one is expected to protect fellow officers that harass and abuse BIPOC people.

I haven’t read the whole thread. So maybe you could provide a link? Thanks!

Oh my goodness, in no universe are you remotely interested in this topic if you cannot even lift a finger to do a simple Google search. Honestly, stay ignorant and stop wasting people's time on here pretending you know absolutely anything about policing in Montgomery County.

I have a legitimate question. You are telling me that MCPD are bad and I just want to understand specifically why. It is weird that you refuse to provide any other explanation that telling me to use Google.

How is it you are so entitled that you can't even read past posts on this thread. You are not interested in learning. You are interested in arguing and wasting people's time.

Dear god. Please show me what I am missing. I would be happy to agree with you if I even knew what the problem is. You don’t even cite any specific incident or problem, just generally vague complaints that amount to vibes. I am a POC and have lived in a lot of places in my life and I can tell you, the vibes that I get from MCPD are pretty darn good. If there was a specific incident or incidents that can demonstrate that my experience is not the norm, I would really love to hear it and understand it. But you are absolutely not even trying to help me understand what the issue or your specific concern is. Instead you just make ad hominem attacks when I ask basic questions for understanding.

You literally asked for links to past posts on this thread. No. READ IT YOURSELF.

DP here. I have read this entire thread, and I don’t know which links you’re referring to. Can you please be more specific?

Also, I hope you did report your concerns to MCPD if you are the poster who witnessed something.
Here’s the link:
https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/howdoI/compliments-complaints.html
If you haven’t told them, I encourage you to do so.

It's obvious if you just read what PP is responding to. But you are yet another who just wants to argue. That's fine, just share what you believe, don't pretend you are trying to "learn".

Just took a look at this entire sub thread again. All I see are vague generalities about MCPD being bad. If you truly feel that’s the case, then I sincerely hope you have used the link above to report it. If you haven’t, why not? Also, there’s absolutely nothing argumentative about my post. Nothing at all.

You have an opportunity here to “teach,” yet you aren’t taking it. I’m not certain this is worth continuing.

What makes you think I want to teach you anything? You have no interest in learning, just arguing. I posted earlier to dispute blatant lies being posted, such as the notion that the Council (or more specifically 2 out of 11 members) have hurt MCPD's feeling so deeply that they are unable to do their jobs, so much so that MCPD specifically cites "the rhetoric" for reducing traffic stops by two-thirds.

6/26/2020:
"DEFUND THE POLICE
DEFUND THE POLICE
DEFUND THE POLICE
DEFUND THE POLICE
DEFUND THE POLICE"

6/20/2020:
"When Trump refuses to leave office, whose side do you think the cops are going to be on? Disarm and defund these goons. NOW."

1/26/2021:
"This is what 'Defund the police, invest in community" looks like in action. Literally use money from the bloated police budge for things that actually, tangibly make people safer and healthier. Instead of harrassing and arresting unhoused people, house them."

10/28/2020:
"These are the thugs. This is the gang. Defund the police. Build a new system. Nobody can see all this and still truly believe that this is a redeemable form of public safety."

9/24/2020:
"These people's tax dollars pay those cops' salaries. What a sick joke. DEFUND THE POLICE."

All of these quotes are from Kristin Mink. She's currently sitting on our Public Safety Committee.

If the police can't do their jobs because of some tweets from one councilmember out of 11, sounds to me like her complaint that we are paying too much for police are spot on.

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10/28/2020:
"These are the thugs. This is the gang. Defund the police. Build a new system. Nobody can see all this and still truly believe that this is a redeemable form of public safety."

All of these quotes are from Kristin Mink. She's currently sitting on our Public Safety Committee.

Oh. Em. Gee.

Are Montgomery County police officers such fragile flowers that they can't tolerate any criticism, regardless of context, or source, or even who it's aimed at?

For context: the October 2020 tweet (which is the first one I looked at) is related to the shooting of Walter Wallace by Philadelphia police; during the subsequent protests, Philadelphia police pulled Rickia Young and her teenage nephew out of their SUV, beat her, removed her two-year-old son, and lied about all of it on social media. The city settled out of court with Walter Wallace's family for $2.5 million, and with Rickia Young for $2 million. I think those actions by the Philadelphia police deserve criticism. What do you think?

Police officers should do the job they signed up to do, and are paid to do, ethically and to the best of their abilities - like the rest of us. Sometimes people will criticize them, fairly. Sometimes people will criticize them, unfairly. That's how it goes. If you're only a police officer for the external validation, you're in the wrong job anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:Who on the council is "falling all over themselves to praise police?"

The only example I can think of is Elrich's absurd covid bonuses.

I’m the PP who posted above about the council’s treatment of police. I can’t think of one time I’ve witnessed this, and I do watch council proceedings.

All one needs to do is go to certain council members’ social media accounts and search for references to the police. It’s just criticism after criticism after criticism. No support at all. Recruitment for police is down nationwide, but it is critical here.

Names? Examples?

Hucker and Jawando were the worst. Riemer on occasion.

This new Council? Mink.

So 2 out of 11 current councilmembers are by themselves making police work so difficult that they need to reduce traffic stops by 2/3? Through their Twitter posts.

Well, I suppose if you limit their impact to solely social media.

But don't forget the 30+ new legal mandates they've placed on police over the past 2 years, and all the negative discussion that surrounded those deliberations.

I was about to post this. Thank you.

That sounds very persuasive but the police themselves are not blaming the "30+ legal mandates" for the work stoppage. They are blaming the "rhetoric". And I actually have listened to council sessions and find the notion that the rhetoric during the sessions was in any way offensive or abusive towards police hilarious. There are current and former councilmembers that are abusive bullies. Jawando, Hucker, Riemer and Mink are not in this group.

Have you been listening to the council for the past couple of years? You don’t see the hostility?

In any case, it doesn’t matter if you see it. We went from full recruit classes and the pick of applicants to barely being able to fill a class. This used to be the county law enforcement officers wanted to work for. It was a premier department. Now we can’t keep pace with any of the neighboring counties. The word is out that officers aren’t supported. It doesn’t matter whether you see it. Others do.

I think that MCPD has been saying "We're not like those other terrible police departments!" and that's true, but that doesn't mean there aren't also problems with MCPD. Plus the Montgomery County Council doesn't have legislative and funding authority over those other terrible police departments; it has legislative and funding authority over MCPD.

How is recruiting for the Gaithersburg PD and the Rockville PD, by the way?

And the problems are? What I see is a lot of localizing national issues where it is just not relevant. Or crazy nitpicking.

People should be grateful that we have MCPD and not those other police departments. My fear is that this constant and ridiculous barrage against MCPD will only lead in one direction, MCPD getting worse.

Well, there you go. There are problems, but you don't consider them serious, just "crazy nitpicking".

Am I grateful that we have MCPD and not, for example, NYPD? Yes, I am. I think it's reasonable to expect more from our police department than merely "less bad than other police departments that are notoriously terrible".

What are the problems? Please identify them and be specific.

Honestly, PP. For any problems here, short of police murder, you will dismiss them as "crazy nitpicking." Are you the one who keeps saying people should listen to police officers? Well, how about you listen to people talking about their experiences with policing.

So you refuse to actually state any specific problem with MCPD? But I am supposed to just accept your word for it that it has vaguely defined “problems”? No thanks.

No, you are supposed to listen to people who have given many such examples in the public arena in real life.

+1 including on this thread but PP just denies denies denies so they can justify the fact that MCPD is totally resistant to reform. They are driving recruits away, not a small minority of the County Council. Who would want to be a part of an organization where one is expected to protect fellow officers that harass and abuse BIPOC people.

I haven’t read the whole thread. So maybe you could provide a link? Thanks!

Oh my goodness, in no universe are you remotely interested in this topic if you cannot even lift a finger to do a simple Google search. Honestly, stay ignorant and stop wasting people's time on here pretending you know absolutely anything about policing in Montgomery County.

I have a legitimate question. You are telling me that MCPD are bad and I just want to understand specifically why. It is weird that you refuse to provide any other explanation that telling me to use Google.

How is it you are so entitled that you can't even read past posts on this thread. You are not interested in learning. You are interested in arguing and wasting people's time.

Dear god. Please show me what I am missing. I would be happy to agree with you if I even knew what the problem is. You don’t even cite any specific incident or problem, just generally vague complaints that amount to vibes. I am a POC and have lived in a lot of places in my life and I can tell you, the vibes that I get from MCPD are pretty darn good. If there was a specific incident or incidents that can demonstrate that my experience is not the norm, I would really love to hear it and understand it. But you are absolutely not even trying to help me understand what the issue or your specific concern is. Instead you just make ad hominem attacks when I ask basic questions for understanding.

You literally asked for links to past posts on this thread. No. READ IT YOURSELF.

DP here. I have read this entire thread, and I don’t know which links you’re referring to. Can you please be more specific?

Also, I hope you did report your concerns to MCPD if you are the poster who witnessed something.
Here’s the link:
https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/howdoI/compliments-complaints.html
If you haven’t told them, I encourage you to do so.

It's obvious if you just read what PP is responding to. But you are yet another who just wants to argue. That's fine, just share what you believe, don't pretend you are trying to "learn".

Just took a look at this entire sub thread again. All I see are vague generalities about MCPD being bad. If you truly feel that’s the case, then I sincerely hope you have used the link above to report it. If you haven’t, why not? Also, there’s absolutely nothing argumentative about my post. Nothing at all.

You have an opportunity here to “teach,” yet you aren’t taking it. I’m not certain this is worth continuing.

What makes you think I want to teach you anything? You have no interest in learning, just arguing. I posted earlier to dispute blatant lies being posted, such as the notion that the Council (or more specifically 2 out of 11 members) have hurt MCPD's feeling so deeply that they are unable to do their jobs, so much so that MCPD specifically cites "the rhetoric" for reducing traffic stops by two-thirds.

6/26/2020:
"DEFUND THE POLICE
DEFUND THE POLICE
DEFUND THE POLICE
DEFUND THE POLICE
DEFUND THE POLICE"

6/20/2020:
"When Trump refuses to leave office, whose side do you think the cops are going to be on? Disarm and defund these goons. NOW."

1/26/2021:
"This is what 'Defund the police, invest in community" looks like in action. Literally use money from the bloated police budge for things that actually, tangibly make people safer and healthier. Instead of harrassing and arresting unhoused people, house them."

10/28/2020:
"These are the thugs. This is the gang. Defund the police. Build a new system. Nobody can see all this and still truly believe that this is a redeemable form of public safety."

9/24/2020:
"These people's tax dollars pay those cops' salaries. What a sick joke. DEFUND THE POLICE."

All of these quotes are from Kristin Mink. She's currently sitting on our Public Safety Committee.

Wow. I had only seen the "defund police" one. She is clueless that systemic racism is everywhere and police are enforcing laws that legislators like her put on the books. That's a system that hurts people too. Does she want to dismantle legislative branches and put their bloated budget elsewhere? Or does she want to try to improve the legislative process and its impact? Cute slogans are so easy. Real change is not.

The sexism + anti-Asian hate is heating up on this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:Who on the council is "falling all over themselves to praise police?"

The only example I can think of is Elrich's absurd covid bonuses.

I’m the PP who posted above about the council’s treatment of police. I can’t think of one time I’ve witnessed this, and I do watch council proceedings.

All one needs to do is go to certain council members’ social media accounts and search for references to the police. It’s just criticism after criticism after criticism. No support at all. Recruitment for police is down nationwide, but it is critical here.

Names? Examples?

Hucker and Jawando were the worst. Riemer on occasion.

This new Council? Mink.

So 2 out of 11 current councilmembers are by themselves making police work so difficult that they need to reduce traffic stops by 2/3? Through their Twitter posts.

Well, I suppose if you limit their impact to solely social media.

But don't forget the 30+ new legal mandates they've placed on police over the past 2 years, and all the negative discussion that surrounded those deliberations.

I was about to post this. Thank you.

That sounds very persuasive but the police themselves are not blaming the "30+ legal mandates" for the work stoppage. They are blaming the "rhetoric". And I actually have listened to council sessions and find the notion that the rhetoric during the sessions was in any way offensive or abusive towards police hilarious. There are current and former councilmembers that are abusive bullies. Jawando, Hucker, Riemer and Mink are not in this group.

Have you been listening to the council for the past couple of years? You don’t see the hostility?

In any case, it doesn’t matter if you see it. We went from full recruit classes and the pick of applicants to barely being able to fill a class. This used to be the county law enforcement officers wanted to work for. It was a premier department. Now we can’t keep pace with any of the neighboring counties. The word is out that officers aren’t supported. It doesn’t matter whether you see it. Others do.

I think that MCPD has been saying "We're not like those other terrible police departments!" and that's true, but that doesn't mean there aren't also problems with MCPD. Plus the Montgomery County Council doesn't have legislative and funding authority over those other terrible police departments; it has legislative and funding authority over MCPD.

How is recruiting for the Gaithersburg PD and the Rockville PD, by the way?

And the problems are? What I see is a lot of localizing national issues where it is just not relevant. Or crazy nitpicking.

People should be grateful that we have MCPD and not those other police departments. My fear is that this constant and ridiculous barrage against MCPD will only lead in one direction, MCPD getting worse.

Well, there you go. There are problems, but you don't consider them serious, just "crazy nitpicking".

Am I grateful that we have MCPD and not, for example, NYPD? Yes, I am. I think it's reasonable to expect more from our police department than merely "less bad than other police departments that are notoriously terrible".

What are the problems? Please identify them and be specific.

Honestly, PP. For any problems here, short of police murder, you will dismiss them as "crazy nitpicking." Are you the one who keeps saying people should listen to police officers? Well, how about you listen to people talking about their experiences with policing.

So you refuse to actually state any specific problem with MCPD? But I am supposed to just accept your word for it that it has vaguely defined “problems”? No thanks.

No, you are supposed to listen to people who have given many such examples in the public arena in real life.

+1 including on this thread but PP just denies denies denies so they can justify the fact that MCPD is totally resistant to reform. They are driving recruits away, not a small minority of the County Council. Who would want to be a part of an organization where one is expected to protect fellow officers that harass and abuse BIPOC people.

I haven’t read the whole thread. So maybe you could provide a link? Thanks!

Oh my goodness, in no universe are you remotely interested in this topic if you cannot even lift a finger to do a simple Google search. Honestly, stay ignorant and stop wasting people's time on here pretending you know absolutely anything about policing in Montgomery County.

I have a legitimate question. You are telling me that MCPD are bad and I just want to understand specifically why. It is weird that you refuse to provide any other explanation that telling me to use Google.

How is it you are so entitled that you can't even read past posts on this thread. You are not interested in learning. You are interested in arguing and wasting people's time.

Dear god. Please show me what I am missing. I would be happy to agree with you if I even knew what the problem is. You don’t even cite any specific incident or problem, just generally vague complaints that amount to vibes. I am a POC and have lived in a lot of places in my life and I can tell you, the vibes that I get from MCPD are pretty darn good. If there was a specific incident or incidents that can demonstrate that my experience is not the norm, I would really love to hear it and understand it. But you are absolutely not even trying to help me understand what the issue or your specific concern is. Instead you just make ad hominem attacks when I ask basic questions for understanding.

You literally asked for links to past posts on this thread. No. READ IT YOURSELF.

DP here. I have read this entire thread, and I don’t know which links you’re referring to. Can you please be more specific?

Also, I hope you did report your concerns to MCPD if you are the poster who witnessed something.
Here’s the link:
https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/howdoI/compliments-complaints.html
If you haven’t told them, I encourage you to do so.

It's obvious if you just read what PP is responding to. But you are yet another who just wants to argue. That's fine, just share what you believe, don't pretend you are trying to "learn".

Just took a look at this entire sub thread again. All I see are vague generalities about MCPD being bad. If you truly feel that’s the case, then I sincerely hope you have used the link above to report it. If you haven’t, why not? Also, there’s absolutely nothing argumentative about my post. Nothing at all.

You have an opportunity here to “teach,” yet you aren’t taking it. I’m not certain this is worth continuing.

What makes you think I want to teach you anything? You have no interest in learning, just arguing. I posted earlier to dispute blatant lies being posted, such as the notion that the Council (or more specifically 2 out of 11 members) have hurt MCPD's feeling so deeply that they are unable to do their jobs, so much so that MCPD specifically cites "the rhetoric" for reducing traffic stops by two-thirds.

6/26/2020:
"DEFUND THE POLICE
DEFUND THE POLICE
DEFUND THE POLICE
DEFUND THE POLICE
DEFUND THE POLICE"

6/20/2020:
"When Trump refuses to leave office, whose side do you think the cops are going to be on? Disarm and defund these goons. NOW."

1/26/2021:
"This is what 'Defund the police, invest in community" looks like in action. Literally use money from the bloated police budge for things that actually, tangibly make people safer and healthier. Instead of harrassing and arresting unhoused people, house them."

10/28/2020:
"These are the thugs. This is the gang. Defund the police. Build a new system. Nobody can see all this and still truly believe that this is a redeemable form of public safety."

9/24/2020:
"These people's tax dollars pay those cops' salaries. What a sick joke. DEFUND THE POLICE."

All of these quotes are from Kristin Mink. She's currently sitting on our Public Safety Committee.

Wow. I had only seen the "defund police" one. She is clueless that systemic racism is everywhere and police are enforcing laws that legislators like her put on the books. That's a system that hurts people too. Does she want to dismantle legislative branches and put their bloated budget elsewhere? Or does she want to try to improve the legislative process and its impact? Cute slogans are so easy. Real change is not.

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Anonymous wrote:Who on the council is "falling all over themselves to praise police?"

The only example I can think of is Elrich's absurd covid bonuses.

I’m the PP who posted above about the council’s treatment of police. I can’t think of one time I’ve witnessed this, and I do watch council proceedings.

All one needs to do is go to certain council members’ social media accounts and search for references to the police. It’s just criticism after criticism after criticism. No support at all. Recruitment for police is down nationwide, but it is critical here.

Names? Examples?

Hucker and Jawando were the worst. Riemer on occasion.

This new Council? Mink.

So 2 out of 11 current councilmembers are by themselves making police work so difficult that they need to reduce traffic stops by 2/3? Through their Twitter posts.

Well, I suppose if you limit their impact to solely social media.

But don't forget the 30+ new legal mandates they've placed on police over the past 2 years, and all the negative discussion that surrounded those deliberations.

I was about to post this. Thank you.

That sounds very persuasive but the police themselves are not blaming the "30+ legal mandates" for the work stoppage. They are blaming the "rhetoric". And I actually have listened to council sessions and find the notion that the rhetoric during the sessions was in any way offensive or abusive towards police hilarious. There are current and former councilmembers that are abusive bullies. Jawando, Hucker, Riemer and Mink are not in this group.

Have you been listening to the council for the past couple of years? You don’t see the hostility?

In any case, it doesn’t matter if you see it. We went from full recruit classes and the pick of applicants to barely being able to fill a class. This used to be the county law enforcement officers wanted to work for. It was a premier department. Now we can’t keep pace with any of the neighboring counties. The word is out that officers aren’t supported. It doesn’t matter whether you see it. Others do.

I think that MCPD has been saying "We're not like those other terrible police departments!" and that's true, but that doesn't mean there aren't also problems with MCPD. Plus the Montgomery County Council doesn't have legislative and funding authority over those other terrible police departments; it has legislative and funding authority over MCPD.

How is recruiting for the Gaithersburg PD and the Rockville PD, by the way?

And the problems are? What I see is a lot of localizing national issues where it is just not relevant. Or crazy nitpicking.

People should be grateful that we have MCPD and not those other police departments. My fear is that this constant and ridiculous barrage against MCPD will only lead in one direction, MCPD getting worse.

Well, there you go. There are problems, but you don't consider them serious, just "crazy nitpicking".

Am I grateful that we have MCPD and not, for example, NYPD? Yes, I am. I think it's reasonable to expect more from our police department than merely "less bad than other police departments that are notoriously terrible".

What are the problems? Please identify them and be specific.

Honestly, PP. For any problems here, short of police murder, you will dismiss them as "crazy nitpicking." Are you the one who keeps saying people should listen to police officers? Well, how about you listen to people talking about their experiences with policing.

So you refuse to actually state any specific problem with MCPD? But I am supposed to just accept your word for it that it has vaguely defined “problems”? No thanks.

No, you are supposed to listen to people who have given many such examples in the public arena in real life.

+1 including on this thread but PP just denies denies denies so they can justify the fact that MCPD is totally resistant to reform. They are driving recruits away, not a small minority of the County Council. Who would want to be a part of an organization where one is expected to protect fellow officers that harass and abuse BIPOC people.

I haven’t read the whole thread. So maybe you could provide a link? Thanks!

Oh my goodness, in no universe are you remotely interested in this topic if you cannot even lift a finger to do a simple Google search. Honestly, stay ignorant and stop wasting people's time on here pretending you know absolutely anything about policing in Montgomery County.

I have a legitimate question. You are telling me that MCPD are bad and I just want to understand specifically why. It is weird that you refuse to provide any other explanation that telling me to use Google.

How is it you are so entitled that you can't even read past posts on this thread. You are not interested in learning. You are interested in arguing and wasting people's time.

Dear god. Please show me what I am missing. I would be happy to agree with you if I even knew what the problem is. You don’t even cite any specific incident or problem, just generally vague complaints that amount to vibes. I am a POC and have lived in a lot of places in my life and I can tell you, the vibes that I get from MCPD are pretty darn good. If there was a specific incident or incidents that can demonstrate that my experience is not the norm, I would really love to hear it and understand it. But you are absolutely not even trying to help me understand what the issue or your specific concern is. Instead you just make ad hominem attacks when I ask basic questions for understanding.

You literally asked for links to past posts on this thread. No. READ IT YOURSELF.

DP here. I have read this entire thread, and I don’t know which links you’re referring to. Can you please be more specific?

Also, I hope you did report your concerns to MCPD if you are the poster who witnessed something.
Here’s the link:
https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/howdoI/compliments-complaints.html
If you haven’t told them, I encourage you to do so.

It's obvious if you just read what PP is responding to. But you are yet another who just wants to argue. That's fine, just share what you believe, don't pretend you are trying to "learn".

Just took a look at this entire sub thread again. All I see are vague generalities about MCPD being bad. If you truly feel that’s the case, then I sincerely hope you have used the link above to report it. If you haven’t, why not? Also, there’s absolutely nothing argumentative about my post. Nothing at all.

You have an opportunity here to “teach,” yet you aren’t taking it. I’m not certain this is worth continuing.

What makes you think I want to teach you anything? You have no interest in learning, just arguing. I posted earlier to dispute blatant lies being posted, such as the notion that the Council (or more specifically 2 out of 11 members) have hurt MCPD's feeling so deeply that they are unable to do their jobs, so much so that MCPD specifically cites "the rhetoric" for reducing traffic stops by two-thirds.

6/26/2020:
"DEFUND THE POLICE
DEFUND THE POLICE
DEFUND THE POLICE
DEFUND THE POLICE
DEFUND THE POLICE"

6/20/2020:
"When Trump refuses to leave office, whose side do you think the cops are going to be on? Disarm and defund these goons. NOW."

1/26/2021:
"This is what 'Defund the police, invest in community" looks like in action. Literally use money from the bloated police budge for things that actually, tangibly make people safer and healthier. Instead of harrassing and arresting unhoused people, house them."

10/28/2020:
"These are the thugs. This is the gang. Defund the police. Build a new system. Nobody can see all this and still truly believe that this is a redeemable form of public safety."

9/24/2020:
"These people's tax dollars pay those cops' salaries. What a sick joke. DEFUND THE POLICE."

All of these quotes are from Kristin Mink. She's currently sitting on our Public Safety Committee.

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Anonymous wrote:Who on the council is "falling all over themselves to praise police?"

The only example I can think of is Elrich's absurd covid bonuses.

I’m the PP who posted above about the council’s treatment of police. I can’t think of one time I’ve witnessed this, and I do watch council proceedings.

All one needs to do is go to certain council members’ social media accounts and search for references to the police. It’s just criticism after criticism after criticism. No support at all. Recruitment for police is down nationwide, but it is critical here.

Names? Examples?

Hucker and Jawando were the worst. Riemer on occasion.

This new Council? Mink.

So 2 out of 11 current councilmembers are by themselves making police work so difficult that they need to reduce traffic stops by 2/3? Through their Twitter posts.

Well, I suppose if you limit their impact to solely social media.

But don't forget the 30+ new legal mandates they've placed on police over the past 2 years, and all the negative discussion that surrounded those deliberations.

I was about to post this. Thank you.

That sounds very persuasive but the police themselves are not blaming the "30+ legal mandates" for the work stoppage. They are blaming the "rhetoric". And I actually have listened to council sessions and find the notion that the rhetoric during the sessions was in any way offensive or abusive towards police hilarious. There are current and former councilmembers that are abusive bullies. Jawando, Hucker, Riemer and Mink are not in this group.

Have you been listening to the council for the past couple of years? You don’t see the hostility?

In any case, it doesn’t matter if you see it. We went from full recruit classes and the pick of applicants to barely being able to fill a class. This used to be the county law enforcement officers wanted to work for. It was a premier department. Now we can’t keep pace with any of the neighboring counties. The word is out that officers aren’t supported. It doesn’t matter whether you see it. Others do.

I think that MCPD has been saying "We're not like those other terrible police departments!" and that's true, but that doesn't mean there aren't also problems with MCPD. Plus the Montgomery County Council doesn't have legislative and funding authority over those other terrible police departments; it has legislative and funding authority over MCPD.

How is recruiting for the Gaithersburg PD and the Rockville PD, by the way?

And the problems are? What I see is a lot of localizing national issues where it is just not relevant. Or crazy nitpicking.

People should be grateful that we have MCPD and not those other police departments. My fear is that this constant and ridiculous barrage against MCPD will only lead in one direction, MCPD getting worse.

Well, there you go. There are problems, but you don't consider them serious, just "crazy nitpicking".

Am I grateful that we have MCPD and not, for example, NYPD? Yes, I am. I think it's reasonable to expect more from our police department than merely "less bad than other police departments that are notoriously terrible".

What are the problems? Please identify them and be specific.

Honestly, PP. For any problems here, short of police murder, you will dismiss them as "crazy nitpicking." Are you the one who keeps saying people should listen to police officers? Well, how about you listen to people talking about their experiences with policing.

So you refuse to actually state any specific problem with MCPD? But I am supposed to just accept your word for it that it has vaguely defined “problems”? No thanks.

No, you are supposed to listen to people who have given many such examples in the public arena in real life.

+1 including on this thread but PP just denies denies denies so they can justify the fact that MCPD is totally resistant to reform. They are driving recruits away, not a small minority of the County Council. Who would want to be a part of an organization where one is expected to protect fellow officers that harass and abuse BIPOC people.

I haven’t read the whole thread. So maybe you could provide a link? Thanks!

Oh my goodness, in no universe are you remotely interested in this topic if you cannot even lift a finger to do a simple Google search. Honestly, stay ignorant and stop wasting people's time on here pretending you know absolutely anything about policing in Montgomery County.

I have a legitimate question. You are telling me that MCPD are bad and I just want to understand specifically why. It is weird that you refuse to provide any other explanation that telling me to use Google.

How is it you are so entitled that you can't even read past posts on this thread. You are not interested in learning. You are interested in arguing and wasting people's time.

Dear god. Please show me what I am missing. I would be happy to agree with you if I even knew what the problem is. You don’t even cite any specific incident or problem, just generally vague complaints that amount to vibes. I am a POC and have lived in a lot of places in my life and I can tell you, the vibes that I get from MCPD are pretty darn good. If there was a specific incident or incidents that can demonstrate that my experience is not the norm, I would really love to hear it and understand it. But you are absolutely not even trying to help me understand what the issue or your specific concern is. Instead you just make ad hominem attacks when I ask basic questions for understanding.

You literally asked for links to past posts on this thread. No. READ IT YOURSELF.

DP here. I have read this entire thread, and I don’t know which links you’re referring to. Can you please be more specific?

Also, I hope you did report your concerns to MCPD if you are the poster who witnessed something.
Here’s the link:
https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/howdoI/compliments-complaints.html
If you haven’t told them, I encourage you to do so.

It's obvious if you just read what PP is responding to. But you are yet another who just wants to argue. That's fine, just share what you believe, don't pretend you are trying to "learn".

Just took a look at this entire sub thread again. All I see are vague generalities about MCPD being bad. If you truly feel that’s the case, then I sincerely hope you have used the link above to report it. If you haven’t, why not? Also, there’s absolutely nothing argumentative about my post. Nothing at all.

You have an opportunity here to “teach,” yet you aren’t taking it. I’m not certain this is worth continuing.

What makes you think I want to teach you anything? You have no interest in learning, just arguing. I posted earlier to dispute blatant lies being posted, such as the notion that the Council (or more specifically 2 out of 11 members) have hurt MCPD's feeling so deeply that they are unable to do their jobs, so much so that MCPD specifically cites "the rhetoric" for reducing traffic stops by two-thirds.

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Anonymous wrote:Who on the council is "falling all over themselves to praise police?"

The only example I can think of is Elrich's absurd covid bonuses.

I’m the PP who posted above about the council’s treatment of police. I can’t think of one time I’ve witnessed this, and I do watch council proceedings.

All one needs to do is go to certain council members’ social media accounts and search for references to the police. It’s just criticism after criticism after criticism. No support at all. Recruitment for police is down nationwide, but it is critical here.

Names? Examples?

Hucker and Jawando were the worst. Riemer on occasion.

This new Council? Mink.

So 2 out of 11 current councilmembers are by themselves making police work so difficult that they need to reduce traffic stops by 2/3? Through their Twitter posts.

Well, I suppose if you limit their impact to solely social media.

But don't forget the 30+ new legal mandates they've placed on police over the past 2 years, and all the negative discussion that surrounded those deliberations.

I was about to post this. Thank you.

That sounds very persuasive but the police themselves are not blaming the "30+ legal mandates" for the work stoppage. They are blaming the "rhetoric". And I actually have listened to council sessions and find the notion that the rhetoric during the sessions was in any way offensive or abusive towards police hilarious. There are current and former councilmembers that are abusive bullies. Jawando, Hucker, Riemer and Mink are not in this group.

Have you been listening to the council for the past couple of years? You don’t see the hostility?

In any case, it doesn’t matter if you see it. We went from full recruit classes and the pick of applicants to barely being able to fill a class. This used to be the county law enforcement officers wanted to work for. It was a premier department. Now we can’t keep pace with any of the neighboring counties. The word is out that officers aren’t supported. It doesn’t matter whether you see it. Others do.

I think that MCPD has been saying "We're not like those other terrible police departments!" and that's true, but that doesn't mean there aren't also problems with MCPD. Plus the Montgomery County Council doesn't have legislative and funding authority over those other terrible police departments; it has legislative and funding authority over MCPD.

How is recruiting for the Gaithersburg PD and the Rockville PD, by the way?

And the problems are? What I see is a lot of localizing national issues where it is just not relevant. Or crazy nitpicking.

People should be grateful that we have MCPD and not those other police departments. My fear is that this constant and ridiculous barrage against MCPD will only lead in one direction, MCPD getting worse.

Well, there you go. There are problems, but you don't consider them serious, just "crazy nitpicking".

Am I grateful that we have MCPD and not, for example, NYPD? Yes, I am. I think it's reasonable to expect more from our police department than merely "less bad than other police departments that are notoriously terrible".

What are the problems? Please identify them and be specific.

Honestly, PP. For any problems here, short of police murder, you will dismiss them as "crazy nitpicking." Are you the one who keeps saying people should listen to police officers? Well, how about you listen to people talking about their experiences with policing.

So you refuse to actually state any specific problem with MCPD? But I am supposed to just accept your word for it that it has vaguely defined “problems”? No thanks.

No, you are supposed to listen to people who have given many such examples in the public arena in real life.

+1 including on this thread but PP just denies denies denies so they can justify the fact that MCPD is totally resistant to reform. They are driving recruits away, not a small minority of the County Council. Who would want to be a part of an organization where one is expected to protect fellow officers that harass and abuse BIPOC people.

I haven’t read the whole thread. So maybe you could provide a link? Thanks!

Oh my goodness, in no universe are you remotely interested in this topic if you cannot even lift a finger to do a simple Google search. Honestly, stay ignorant and stop wasting people's time on here pretending you know absolutely anything about policing in Montgomery County.

I have a legitimate question. You are telling me that MCPD are bad and I just want to understand specifically why. It is weird that you refuse to provide any other explanation that telling me to use Google.

How is it you are so entitled that you can't even read past posts on this thread. You are not interested in learning. You are interested in arguing and wasting people's time.

Dear god. Please show me what I am missing. I would be happy to agree with you if I even knew what the problem is. You don’t even cite any specific incident or problem, just generally vague complaints that amount to vibes. I am a POC and have lived in a lot of places in my life and I can tell you, the vibes that I get from MCPD are pretty darn good. If there was a specific incident or incidents that can demonstrate that my experience is not the norm, I would really love to hear it and understand it. But you are absolutely not even trying to help me understand what the issue or your specific concern is. Instead you just make ad hominem attacks when I ask basic questions for understanding.

You literally asked for links to past posts on this thread. No. READ IT YOURSELF.

DP here. I have read this entire thread, and I don’t know which links you’re referring to. Can you please be more specific?

Also, I hope you did report your concerns to MCPD if you are the poster who witnessed something.
Here’s the link:
https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/howdoI/compliments-complaints.html
If you haven’t told them, I encourage you to do so.

It's obvious if you just read what PP is responding to. But you are yet another who just wants to argue. That's fine, just share what you believe, don't pretend you are trying to "learn".

Just took a look at this entire sub thread again. All I see are vague generalities about MCPD being bad. If you truly feel that’s the case, then I sincerely hope you have used the link above to report it. If you haven’t, why not? Also, there’s absolutely nothing argumentative about my post. Nothing at all.

You have an opportunity here to “teach,” yet you aren’t taking it. I’m not certain this is worth continuing.

DP. I'm certain it's not worth continuing. Please stop continuing it. Thank you.

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Anonymous wrote:Who on the council is "falling all over themselves to praise police?"

The only example I can think of is Elrich's absurd covid bonuses.

I’m the PP who posted above about the council’s treatment of police. I can’t think of one time I’ve witnessed this, and I do watch council proceedings.

All one needs to do is go to certain council members’ social media accounts and search for references to the police. It’s just criticism after criticism after criticism. No support at all. Recruitment for police is down nationwide, but it is critical here.

Names? Examples?

Hucker and Jawando were the worst. Riemer on occasion.

This new Council? Mink.

So 2 out of 11 current councilmembers are by themselves making police work so difficult that they need to reduce traffic stops by 2/3? Through their Twitter posts.

Well, I suppose if you limit their impact to solely social media.

But don't forget the 30+ new legal mandates they've placed on police over the past 2 years, and all the negative discussion that surrounded those deliberations.

I was about to post this. Thank you.

That sounds very persuasive but the police themselves are not blaming the "30+ legal mandates" for the work stoppage. They are blaming the "rhetoric". And I actually have listened to council sessions and find the notion that the rhetoric during the sessions was in any way offensive or abusive towards police hilarious. There are current and former councilmembers that are abusive bullies. Jawando, Hucker, Riemer and Mink are not in this group.

Have you been listening to the council for the past couple of years? You don’t see the hostility?

In any case, it doesn’t matter if you see it. We went from full recruit classes and the pick of applicants to barely being able to fill a class. This used to be the county law enforcement officers wanted to work for. It was a premier department. Now we can’t keep pace with any of the neighboring counties. The word is out that officers aren’t supported. It doesn’t matter whether you see it. Others do.

I think that MCPD has been saying "We're not like those other terrible police departments!" and that's true, but that doesn't mean there aren't also problems with MCPD. Plus the Montgomery County Council doesn't have legislative and funding authority over those other terrible police departments; it has legislative and funding authority over MCPD.

How is recruiting for the Gaithersburg PD and the Rockville PD, by the way?

And the problems are? What I see is a lot of localizing national issues where it is just not relevant. Or crazy nitpicking.

People should be grateful that we have MCPD and not those other police departments. My fear is that this constant and ridiculous barrage against MCPD will only lead in one direction, MCPD getting worse.

Well, there you go. There are problems, but you don't consider them serious, just "crazy nitpicking".

Am I grateful that we have MCPD and not, for example, NYPD? Yes, I am. I think it's reasonable to expect more from our police department than merely "less bad than other police departments that are notoriously terrible".

What are the problems? Please identify them and be specific.

Honestly, PP. For any problems here, short of police murder, you will dismiss them as "crazy nitpicking." Are you the one who keeps saying people should listen to police officers? Well, how about you listen to people talking about their experiences with policing.

So you refuse to actually state any specific problem with MCPD? But I am supposed to just accept your word for it that it has vaguely defined “problems”? No thanks.

No, you are supposed to listen to people who have given many such examples in the public arena in real life.

+1 including on this thread but PP just denies denies denies so they can justify the fact that MCPD is totally resistant to reform. They are driving recruits away, not a small minority of the County Council. Who would want to be a part of an organization where one is expected to protect fellow officers that harass and abuse BIPOC people.

I haven’t read the whole thread. So maybe you could provide a link? Thanks!

Oh my goodness, in no universe are you remotely interested in this topic if you cannot even lift a finger to do a simple Google search. Honestly, stay ignorant and stop wasting people's time on here pretending you know absolutely anything about policing in Montgomery County.

I have a legitimate question. You are telling me that MCPD are bad and I just want to understand specifically why. It is weird that you refuse to provide any other explanation that telling me to use Google.

How is it you are so entitled that you can't even read past posts on this thread. You are not interested in learning. You are interested in arguing and wasting people's time.

Dear god. Please show me what I am missing. I would be happy to agree with you if I even knew what the problem is. You don’t even cite any specific incident or problem, just generally vague complaints that amount to vibes. I am a POC and have lived in a lot of places in my life and I can tell you, the vibes that I get from MCPD are pretty darn good. If there was a specific incident or incidents that can demonstrate that my experience is not the norm, I would really love to hear it and understand it. But you are absolutely not even trying to help me understand what the issue or your specific concern is. Instead you just make ad hominem attacks when I ask basic questions for understanding.

You literally asked for links to past posts on this thread. No. READ IT YOURSELF.

DP here. I have read this entire thread, and I don’t know which links you’re referring to. Can you please be more specific?

Also, I hope you did report your concerns to MCPD if you are the poster who witnessed something.
Here’s the link:
https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/howdoI/compliments-complaints.html
If you haven’t told them, I encourage you to do so.

It's obvious if you just read what PP is responding to. But you are yet another who just wants to argue. That's fine, just share what you believe, don't pretend you are trying to "learn".

Just took a look at this entire sub thread again. All I see are vague generalities about MCPD being bad. If you truly feel that’s the case, then I sincerely hope you have used the link above to report it. If you haven’t, why not? Also, there’s absolutely nothing argumentative about my post. Nothing at all.

You have an opportunity here to “teach,” yet you aren’t taking it. I’m not certain this is worth continuing.

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Anonymous wrote:Who on the council is "falling all over themselves to praise police?"

The only example I can think of is Elrich's absurd covid bonuses.

I’m the PP who posted above about the council’s treatment of police. I can’t think of one time I’ve witnessed this, and I do watch council proceedings.

All one needs to do is go to certain council members’ social media accounts and search for references to the police. It’s just criticism after criticism after criticism. No support at all. Recruitment for police is down nationwide, but it is critical here.

Names? Examples?

Hucker and Jawando were the worst. Riemer on occasion.

This new Council? Mink.

So 2 out of 11 current councilmembers are by themselves making police work so difficult that they need to reduce traffic stops by 2/3? Through their Twitter posts.

Well, I suppose if you limit their impact to solely social media.

But don't forget the 30+ new legal mandates they've placed on police over the past 2 years, and all the negative discussion that surrounded those deliberations.

I was about to post this. Thank you.

That sounds very persuasive but the police themselves are not blaming the "30+ legal mandates" for the work stoppage. They are blaming the "rhetoric". And I actually have listened to council sessions and find the notion that the rhetoric during the sessions was in any way offensive or abusive towards police hilarious. There are current and former councilmembers that are abusive bullies. Jawando, Hucker, Riemer and Mink are not in this group.

Have you been listening to the council for the past couple of years? You don’t see the hostility?

In any case, it doesn’t matter if you see it. We went from full recruit classes and the pick of applicants to barely being able to fill a class. This used to be the county law enforcement officers wanted to work for. It was a premier department. Now we can’t keep pace with any of the neighboring counties. The word is out that officers aren’t supported. It doesn’t matter whether you see it. Others do.

I think that MCPD has been saying "We're not like those other terrible police departments!" and that's true, but that doesn't mean there aren't also problems with MCPD. Plus the Montgomery County Council doesn't have legislative and funding authority over those other terrible police departments; it has legislative and funding authority over MCPD.

How is recruiting for the Gaithersburg PD and the Rockville PD, by the way?

And the problems are? What I see is a lot of localizing national issues where it is just not relevant. Or crazy nitpicking.

People should be grateful that we have MCPD and not those other police departments. My fear is that this constant and ridiculous barrage against MCPD will only lead in one direction, MCPD getting worse.

Well, there you go. There are problems, but you don't consider them serious, just "crazy nitpicking".

Am I grateful that we have MCPD and not, for example, NYPD? Yes, I am. I think it's reasonable to expect more from our police department than merely "less bad than other police departments that are notoriously terrible".

What are the problems? Please identify them and be specific.

Honestly, PP. For any problems here, short of police murder, you will dismiss them as "crazy nitpicking." Are you the one who keeps saying people should listen to police officers? Well, how about you listen to people talking about their experiences with policing.

So you refuse to actually state any specific problem with MCPD? But I am supposed to just accept your word for it that it has vaguely defined “problems”? No thanks.

No, you are supposed to listen to people who have given many such examples in the public arena in real life.

+1 including on this thread but PP just denies denies denies so they can justify the fact that MCPD is totally resistant to reform. They are driving recruits away, not a small minority of the County Council. Who would want to be a part of an organization where one is expected to protect fellow officers that harass and abuse BIPOC people.

I haven’t read the whole thread. So maybe you could provide a link? Thanks!

Oh my goodness, in no universe are you remotely interested in this topic if you cannot even lift a finger to do a simple Google search. Honestly, stay ignorant and stop wasting people's time on here pretending you know absolutely anything about policing in Montgomery County.

I have a legitimate question. You are telling me that MCPD are bad and I just want to understand specifically why. It is weird that you refuse to provide any other explanation that telling me to use Google.

How is it you are so entitled that you can't even read past posts on this thread. You are not interested in learning. You are interested in arguing and wasting people's time.

Dear god. Please show me what I am missing. I would be happy to agree with you if I even knew what the problem is. You don’t even cite any specific incident or problem, just generally vague complaints that amount to vibes. I am a POC and have lived in a lot of places in my life and I can tell you, the vibes that I get from MCPD are pretty darn good. If there was a specific incident or incidents that can demonstrate that my experience is not the norm, I would really love to hear it and understand it. But you are absolutely not even trying to help me understand what the issue or your specific concern is. Instead you just make ad hominem attacks when I ask basic questions for understanding.

You literally asked for links to past posts on this thread. No. READ IT YOURSELF.

DP here. I have read this entire thread, and I don’t know which links you’re referring to. Can you please be more specific?

Also, I hope you did report your concerns to MCPD if you are the poster who witnessed something.
Here’s the link:
https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/howdoI/compliments-complaints.html
If you haven’t told them, I encourage you to do so.

It's obvious if you just read what PP is responding to. But you are yet another who just wants to argue. That's fine, just share what you believe, don't pretend you are trying to "learn".

Thanks, Honorable Council-member Mink.

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Anonymous wrote:Who on the council is "falling all over themselves to praise police?"

The only example I can think of is Elrich's absurd covid bonuses.

I’m the PP who posted above about the council’s treatment of police. I can’t think of one time I’ve witnessed this, and I do watch council proceedings.

All one needs to do is go to certain council members’ social media accounts and search for references to the police. It’s just criticism after criticism after criticism. No support at all. Recruitment for police is down nationwide, but it is critical here.

Names? Examples?

Hucker and Jawando were the worst. Riemer on occasion.

This new Council? Mink.

So 2 out of 11 current councilmembers are by themselves making police work so difficult that they need to reduce traffic stops by 2/3? Through their Twitter posts.

Well, I suppose if you limit their impact to solely social media.

But don't forget the 30+ new legal mandates they've placed on police over the past 2 years, and all the negative discussion that surrounded those deliberations.

I was about to post this. Thank you.

That sounds very persuasive but the police themselves are not blaming the "30+ legal mandates" for the work stoppage. They are blaming the "rhetoric". And I actually have listened to council sessions and find the notion that the rhetoric during the sessions was in any way offensive or abusive towards police hilarious. There are current and former councilmembers that are abusive bullies. Jawando, Hucker, Riemer and Mink are not in this group.

Have you been listening to the council for the past couple of years? You don’t see the hostility?

In any case, it doesn’t matter if you see it. We went from full recruit classes and the pick of applicants to barely being able to fill a class. This used to be the county law enforcement officers wanted to work for. It was a premier department. Now we can’t keep pace with any of the neighboring counties. The word is out that officers aren’t supported. It doesn’t matter whether you see it. Others do.

I think that MCPD has been saying "We're not like those other terrible police departments!" and that's true, but that doesn't mean there aren't also problems with MCPD. Plus the Montgomery County Council doesn't have legislative and funding authority over those other terrible police departments; it has legislative and funding authority over MCPD.

How is recruiting for the Gaithersburg PD and the Rockville PD, by the way?

And the problems are? What I see is a lot of localizing national issues where it is just not relevant. Or crazy nitpicking.

People should be grateful that we have MCPD and not those other police departments. My fear is that this constant and ridiculous barrage against MCPD will only lead in one direction, MCPD getting worse.

Well, there you go. There are problems, but you don't consider them serious, just "crazy nitpicking".

Am I grateful that we have MCPD and not, for example, NYPD? Yes, I am. I think it's reasonable to expect more from our police department than merely "less bad than other police departments that are notoriously terrible".

What are the problems? Please identify them and be specific.

Honestly, PP. For any problems here, short of police murder, you will dismiss them as "crazy nitpicking." Are you the one who keeps saying people should listen to police officers? Well, how about you listen to people talking about their experiences with policing.

So you refuse to actually state any specific problem with MCPD? But I am supposed to just accept your word for it that it has vaguely defined “problems”? No thanks.

No, you are supposed to listen to people who have given many such examples in the public arena in real life.

+1 including on this thread but PP just denies denies denies so they can justify the fact that MCPD is totally resistant to reform. They are driving recruits away, not a small minority of the County Council. Who would want to be a part of an organization where one is expected to protect fellow officers that harass and abuse BIPOC people.

I haven’t read the whole thread. So maybe you could provide a link? Thanks!

Oh my goodness, in no universe are you remotely interested in this topic if you cannot even lift a finger to do a simple Google search. Honestly, stay ignorant and stop wasting people's time on here pretending you know absolutely anything about policing in Montgomery County.

I have a legitimate question. You are telling me that MCPD are bad and I just want to understand specifically why. It is weird that you refuse to provide any other explanation that telling me to use Google.

How is it you are so entitled that you can't even read past posts on this thread. You are not interested in learning. You are interested in arguing and wasting people's time.

Dear god. Please show me what I am missing. I would be happy to agree with you if I even knew what the problem is. You don’t even cite any specific incident or problem, just generally vague complaints that amount to vibes. I am a POC and have lived in a lot of places in my life and I can tell you, the vibes that I get from MCPD are pretty darn good. If there was a specific incident or incidents that can demonstrate that my experience is not the norm, I would really love to hear it and understand it. But you are absolutely not even trying to help me understand what the issue or your specific concern is. Instead you just make ad hominem attacks when I ask basic questions for understanding.

You literally asked for links to past posts on this thread. No. READ IT YOURSELF.

DP here. I have read this entire thread, and I don’t know which links you’re referring to. Can you please be more specific?

Also, I hope you did report your concerns to MCPD if you are the poster who witnessed something.
Here’s the link:
https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/howdoI/compliments-complaints.html
If you haven’t told them, I encourage you to do so.

It's obvious if you just read what PP is responding to. But you are yet another who just wants to argue. That's fine, just share what you believe, don't pretend you are trying to "learn".

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