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Anonymous wrote:If you are the parent of an Asian boy - well-rounded with good grades and high MAP scores looking around you to see kids who may have worse scores getting in, this is just the beginning. wait till you get to college admissions. it is beyond brutal. essentially at this point Asian kids - esp boys - are competing among themselves because the bar is so much higher than for others. being held to different standards as a 13 or 14 year old sucks though.

Admissions for these public school programs is race blind. They have no clue what the applicants race is just gender.

Some kids mentioned it in their essays. It's a work around.

Sure. Blair magnet is known for letting in subpar students just because they are black or brown. You sound like you need a therapist.

Actually, the enrollment of AA students at the blair manget is less than 5% which is far lower than AA representation in the county. This indicates that AA children are not favored. In fact, the only group whose enrollment exceeds their representation is Asian so guessing this is what the poster means by Brown?

I hate it when people make these simplistic arguments. It's much more complicated. What percentage of the top scorers are AA or AAPI? You don't just look at representation in the county. How much of the scores can be explained by systemic bias and how do you account for that? The bias doesn't just hit AA students. It hits many other minorities including Asians. DD came from a country where baseball is not played. One of the questions she got on some MAP test was about baseball diamonds. She had no idea what they were talking about. It was an analogy question I think. Is that actually a fair measure then?

Agree, the program is over 60% Asian and Asians make up about 15% of the county. It's obvious the current process favors that community.

Please stop. This whole process was redone to move AAPI students out of the programs in favor of other racial groups. I think the group that ended up benefitting the most is - you guessed it white students - if you look at the data.

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Anonymous wrote:What are you even talking about? My child has not shown me the list but mentioned a bunch of friends who got in over dinner. I know these kids and DC has said for 2.5 years they are all the top students with 300+ MAP scores.

The top mostly Asian 300+ students have got in. Agree. Seems though that the bar for Asian kids is 300+ while the bar for others is much lower.

And? It's a county-wide program so they need to take students from other middle schools, not just TPMS . And I bet you Asian kids from North Bethesda MS or Julius West MS have a much lower bar, too.

Not the point. Just comparing kids within TPMS. If a 290 Asian boy doesn't get in but a 260 white kid or a 250 girl gets in that means Asians are just being compared among themselves. Like they are not real individuals but just a homogenous group.

Not necessarily. Blair wants innovation, to think outside the box. That requires some diversity. If the kids in question are all in the same box of robotics, cs and strings, they may prefer a kid who has a slightly lower map who will bring art, environmental science, poetry and/or drama. It's likely more about scope than race. TPMS and Blair have always been heavily Asian and skewed male, btw. It would be good to have more diversity.

You are making the assumption that the asian kid is not into art, poetry or drama...that's the essential problem here. putting people in boxes...

Nope. I noted that the program is majority Asian, actually. This is based on the complaints here that parents make, then they only focus on scores. Also, based on years of experience in the magnets.

years of experience doesn't cure prejudice

Stop with the dog whistle. These are race blind, and I am trying to help parents who seem to think that their is a certain recipe for admission. Observations are not prejudice. Your petty remark may feed your distorted narrative, but it helps no one.
The prejudice is from the parents who insist their metrics are the most important.

Honestly, been following this for years and beyond a point it's kind of a dice roll. There are a lot of kids with perfect grades and 99%+. Last I knew they don't look at the raw score but the percentage so a kid with 275 is treated the same as a kid with 305. With grades, last I knew they only looked at math and science grades for 7th and Q1 8th. There are more kids with 99% and 4.0 in those classes than there are spots.

You keep repeating this over and over, but no one from MCPS has said they use percentages instead of raw score and the evidence points to the contrary. The 99th percentile 300+ MAP kids are getting in while the mere 99th percentile 270 kids are sometimes getting in and sometimes not. Most everyone has As.

There is a difference between a 305 and 275. Otherwise NWEA wouldn't differentiate between those scores and just make 270s the ceiling. If you have a paper or documentation that shows what you are saying please post it.

I've never mentioned this before so guess you're confused about a couple of things.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are the parent of an Asian boy - well-rounded with good grades and high MAP scores looking around you to see kids who may have worse scores getting in, this is just the beginning. wait till you get to college admissions. it is beyond brutal. essentially at this point Asian kids - esp boys - are competing among themselves because the bar is so much higher than for others. being held to different standards as a 13 or 14 year old sucks though.

Admissions for these public school programs is race blind. They have no clue what the applicants race is just gender.

Some kids mentioned it in their essays. It's a work around.

Sure. Blair magnet is known for letting in subpar students just because they are black or brown. You sound like you need a therapist.

Actually, the enrollment of AA students at the blair manget is less than 5% which is far lower than AA representation in the county. This indicates that AA children are not favored. In fact, the only group whose enrollment exceeds their representation is Asian so guessing this is what the poster means by Brown?

I hate it when people make these simplistic arguments. It's much more complicated. What percentage of the top scorers are AA or AAPI? You don't just look at representation in the county. How much of the scores can be explained by systemic bias and how do you account for that? The bias doesn't just hit AA students. It hits many other minorities including Asians. DD came from a country where baseball is not played. One of the questions she got on some MAP test was about baseball diamonds. She had no idea what they were talking about. It was an analogy question I think. Is that actually a fair measure then?

Agree, the program is over 60% Asian and Asians make up about 15% of the county. It's obvious the current process favors that community.

Please stop. This whole process was redone to move AAPI students out of the programs in favor of other racial groups. I think the group that ended up benefitting the most is - you guessed it white students - if you look at the data.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are the parent of an Asian boy - well-rounded with good grades and high MAP scores looking around you to see kids who may have worse scores getting in, this is just the beginning. wait till you get to college admissions. it is beyond brutal. essentially at this point Asian kids - esp boys - are competing among themselves because the bar is so much higher than for others. being held to different standards as a 13 or 14 year old sucks though.

Admissions for these public school programs is race blind. They have no clue what the applicants race is just gender.

Some kids mentioned it in their essays. It's a work around.

Sure. Blair magnet is known for letting in subpar students just because they are black or brown. You sound like you need a therapist.

Actually, the enrollment of AA students at the blair manget is less than 5% which is far lower than AA representation in the county. This indicates that AA children are not favored. In fact, the only group whose enrollment exceeds their representation is Asian so guessing this is what the poster means by Brown?

I hate it when people make these simplistic arguments. It's much more complicated. What percentage of the top scorers are AA or AAPI? You don't just look at representation in the county. How much of the scores can be explained by systemic bias and how do you account for that? The bias doesn't just hit AA students. It hits many other minorities including Asians. DD came from a country where baseball is not played. One of the questions she got on some MAP test was about baseball diamonds. She had no idea what they were talking about. It was an analogy question I think. Is that actually a fair measure then?

Agree, the program is over 60% Asian and Asians make up about 15% of the county. It's obvious the current process favors that community.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are the parent of an Asian boy - well-rounded with good grades and high MAP scores looking around you to see kids who may have worse scores getting in, this is just the beginning. wait till you get to college admissions. it is beyond brutal. essentially at this point Asian kids - esp boys - are competing among themselves because the bar is so much higher than for others. being held to different standards as a 13 or 14 year old sucks though.

Admissions for these public school programs is race blind. They have no clue what the applicants race is just gender.

Some kids mentioned it in their essays. It's a work around.

Sure. Blair magnet is known for letting in subpar students just because they are black or brown. You sound like you need a therapist.

Actually, the enrollment of AA students at the blair manget is less than 5% which is far lower than AA representation in the county. This indicates that AA children are not favored. In fact, the only group whose enrollment exceeds their representation is Asian so guessing this is what the poster means by Brown?

I hate it when people make these simplistic arguments. It's much more complicated. What percentage of the top scorers are AA or AAPI? You don't just look at representation in the county. How much of the scores can be explained by systemic bias and how do you account for that? The bias doesn't just hit AA students. It hits many other minorities including Asians. DD came from a country where baseball is not played. One of the questions she got on some MAP test was about baseball diamonds. She had no idea what they were talking about. It was an analogy question I think. Is that actually a fair measure then?

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Anonymous wrote:What are you even talking about? My child has not shown me the list but mentioned a bunch of friends who got in over dinner. I know these kids and DC has said for 2.5 years they are all the top students with 300+ MAP scores.

The top mostly Asian 300+ students have got in. Agree. Seems though that the bar for Asian kids is 300+ while the bar for others is much lower.

And? It's a county-wide program so they need to take students from other middle schools, not just TPMS . And I bet you Asian kids from North Bethesda MS or Julius West MS have a much lower bar, too.

Not the point. Just comparing kids within TPMS. If a 290 Asian boy doesn't get in but a 260 white kid or a 250 girl gets in that means Asians are just being compared among themselves. Like they are not real individuals but just a homogenous group.

Not necessarily. Blair wants innovation, to think outside the box. That requires some diversity. If the kids in question are all in the same box of robotics, cs and strings, they may prefer a kid who has a slightly lower map who will bring art, environmental science, poetry and/or drama. It's likely more about scope than race. TPMS and Blair have always been heavily Asian and skewed male, btw. It would be good to have more diversity.

You are making the assumption that the asian kid is not into art, poetry or drama...that's the essential problem here. putting people in boxes...

Nope. I noted that the program is majority Asian, actually. This is based on the complaints here that parents make, then they only focus on scores. Also, based on years of experience in the magnets.

years of experience doesn't cure prejudice

Stop with the dog whistle. These are race blind, and I am trying to help parents who seem to think that their is a certain recipe for admission. Observations are not prejudice. Your petty remark may feed your distorted narrative, but it helps no one.
The prejudice is from the parents who insist their metrics are the most important.

Honestly, been following this for years and beyond a point it's kind of a dice roll. There are a lot of kids with perfect grades and 99%+. Last I knew they don't look at the raw score but the percentage so a kid with 275 is treated the same as a kid with 305. With grades, last I knew they only looked at math and science grades for 7th and Q1 8th. There are more kids with 99% and 4.0 in those classes than there are spots.

You keep repeating this over and over, but no one from MCPS has said they use percentages instead of raw score and the evidence points to the contrary. The 99th percentile 300+ MAP kids are getting in while the mere 99th percentile 270 kids are sometimes getting in and sometimes not. Most everyone has As.

There is a difference between a 305 and 275. Otherwise NWEA wouldn't differentiate between those scores and just make 270s the ceiling. If you have a paper or documentation that shows what you are saying please post it.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are the parent of an Asian boy - well-rounded with good grades and high MAP scores looking around you to see kids who may have worse scores getting in, this is just the beginning. wait till you get to college admissions. it is beyond brutal. essentially at this point Asian kids - esp boys - are competing among themselves because the bar is so much higher than for others. being held to different standards as a 13 or 14 year old sucks though.

Admissions for these public school programs is race blind. They have no clue what the applicants race is just gender.

Some kids mentioned it in their essays. It's a work around.

Sure. Blair magnet is known for letting in subpar students just because they are black or brown. You sound like you need a therapist.

Actually, the enrollment of AA students at the blair manget is less than 5% which is far lower than AA representation in the county. This indicates that AA children are not favored. In fact, the only group whose enrollment exceeds their representation is Asian so guessing this is what the poster means by Brown?

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Anonymous wrote:What are you even talking about? My child has not shown me the list but mentioned a bunch of friends who got in over dinner. I know these kids and DC has said for 2.5 years they are all the top students with 300+ MAP scores.

The top mostly Asian 300+ students have got in. Agree. Seems though that the bar for Asian kids is 300+ while the bar for others is much lower.

And? It's a county-wide program so they need to take students from other middle schools, not just TPMS . And I bet you Asian kids from North Bethesda MS or Julius West MS have a much lower bar, too.

Not the point. Just comparing kids within TPMS. If a 290 Asian boy doesn't get in but a 260 white kid or a 250 girl gets in that means Asians are just being compared among themselves. Like they are not real individuals but just a homogenous group.

Not necessarily. Blair wants innovation, to think outside the box. That requires some diversity. If the kids in question are all in the same box of robotics, cs and strings, they may prefer a kid who has a slightly lower map who will bring art, environmental science, poetry and/or drama. It's likely more about scope than race. TPMS and Blair have always been heavily Asian and skewed male, btw. It would be good to have more diversity.

You are making the assumption that the asian kid is not into art, poetry or drama...that's the essential problem here. putting people in boxes...

Nope. I noted that the program is majority Asian, actually. This is based on the complaints here that parents make, then they only focus on scores. Also, based on years of experience in the magnets.

years of experience doesn't cure prejudice

Stop with the dog whistle. These are race blind, and I am trying to help parents who seem to think that their is a certain recipe for admission. Observations are not prejudice. Your petty remark may feed your distorted narrative, but it helps no one.
The prejudice is from the parents who insist their metrics are the most important.

Honestly, been following this for years and beyond a point it's kind of a dice roll. There are a lot of kids with perfect grades and 99%+. Last I knew they don't look at the raw score but the percentage so a kid with 275 is treated the same as a kid with 305. With grades, last I knew they only looked at math and science grades for 7th and Q1 8th. There are more kids with 99% and 4.0 in those classes than there are spots.

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Anonymous wrote:What are you even talking about? My child has not shown me the list but mentioned a bunch of friends who got in over dinner. I know these kids and DC has said for 2.5 years they are all the top students with 300+ MAP scores.

The top mostly Asian 300+ students have got in. Agree. Seems though that the bar for Asian kids is 300+ while the bar for others is much lower.

And? It's a county-wide program so they need to take students from other middle schools, not just TPMS . And I bet you Asian kids from North Bethesda MS or Julius West MS have a much lower bar, too.

Not the point. Just comparing kids within TPMS. If a 290 Asian boy doesn't get in but a 260 white kid or a 250 girl gets in that means Asians are just being compared among themselves. Like they are not real individuals but just a homogenous group.

Not necessarily. Blair wants innovation, to think outside the box. That requires some diversity. If the kids in question are all in the same box of robotics, cs and strings, they may prefer a kid who has a slightly lower map who will bring art, environmental science, poetry and/or drama. It's likely more about scope than race. TPMS and Blair have always been heavily Asian and skewed male, btw. It would be good to have more diversity.

You are making the assumption that the asian kid is not into art, poetry or drama...that's the essential problem here. putting people in boxes...

Nope. I noted that the program is majority Asian, actually. This is based on the complaints here that parents make, then they only focus on scores. Also, based on years of experience in the magnets.

years of experience doesn't cure prejudice

Stop with the dog whistle. These are race blind, and I am trying to help parents who seem to think that their is a certain recipe for admission. Observations are not prejudice. Your petty remark may feed your distorted narrative, but it helps no one.
The prejudice is from the parents who insist their metrics are the most important.

Honestly, been following this for years and beyond a point it's kind of a dice roll. There are a lot of kids with perfect grades and 99%+. Last I knew they don't look at the raw score but the percentage so a kid with 275 is treated the same as a kid with 305. With grades, last I knew they only looked at math and science grades for 7th and Q1 8th. There are more kids with 99% and 4.0 in those classes than there are spots.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the discussion is about Blair SMAC.

The list I saw from TPMS (compiled by the kids) seemed to have very few white kids.

It’s pretty shameful to come in here and try to undermine the very real accomplishments of these kids just to make yourself feel better. I think the kids know better than that. Mine certainly does.

you are such a great parent with a great kid. not talking down to people. congrats.

That doesn't mean there is not an unfair system. agree there is no perfect system. there was a reason there was a test and teacher recs before - to not just rely on MAP - which is gameable through AOPS, etc, and grades. I hear the test is back next year which may make it fairer.

The old test was gameable. My kid noted that many kids (at TPMS magnet back in the day) had A++ binders and were in test prep classes designed for the magnet admissions test. Other kids went to Dr. Li. It kind of freaked mine out because we are downcounty where the prep culture is not as strong.

a good test + recs + map + grades is better than what we have now. will actually get a diverse group in just because of the process.

Every single credible study on this has shown that recs are racially biased against URMs. Unless they have a real plan to offset that which can pass peer-review I just don't see how that would be helpful. Further, teacher recs are subjective and inconsistent.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the discussion is about Blair SMAC.

The list I saw from TPMS (compiled by the kids) seemed to have very few white kids.

It’s pretty shameful to come in here and try to undermine the very real accomplishments of these kids just to make yourself feel better. I think the kids know better than that. Mine certainly does.

you are such a great parent with a great kid. not talking down to people. congrats.

That doesn't mean there is not an unfair system. agree there is no perfect system. there was a reason there was a test and teacher recs before - to not just rely on MAP - which is gameable through AOPS, etc, and grades. I hear the test is back next year which may make it fairer.

The old test was gameable. My kid noted that many kids (at TPMS magnet back in the day) had A++ binders and were in test prep classes designed for the magnet admissions test. Other kids went to Dr. Li. It kind of freaked mine out because we are downcounty where the prep culture is not as strong.

a good test + recs + map + grades is better than what we have now. will actually get a diverse group in just because of the process.

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Anonymous wrote:What are you even talking about? My child has not shown me the list but mentioned a bunch of friends who got in over dinner. I know these kids and DC has said for 2.5 years they are all the top students with 300+ MAP scores.

The top mostly Asian 300+ students have got in. Agree. Seems though that the bar for Asian kids is 300+ while the bar for others is much lower.

And? It's a county-wide program so they need to take students from other middle schools, not just TPMS . And I bet you Asian kids from North Bethesda MS or Julius West MS have a much lower bar, too.

Not the point. Just comparing kids within TPMS. If a 290 Asian boy doesn't get in but a 260 white kid or a 250 girl gets in that means Asians are just being compared among themselves. Like they are not real individuals but just a homogenous group.

Not necessarily. Blair wants innovation, to think outside the box. That requires some diversity. If the kids in question are all in the same box of robotics, cs and strings, they may prefer a kid who has a slightly lower map who will bring art, environmental science, poetry and/or drama. It's likely more about scope than race. TPMS and Blair have always been heavily Asian and skewed male, btw. It would be good to have more diversity.

You are making the assumption that the asian kid is not into art, poetry or drama...that's the essential problem here. putting people in boxes...

Nope. I noted that the program is majority Asian, actually. This is based on the complaints here that parents make, then they only focus on scores. Also, based on years of experience in the magnets.

years of experience doesn't cure prejudice

Stop with the dog whistle. These are race blind, and I am trying to help parents who seem to think that their is a certain recipe for admission. Observations are not prejudice. Your petty remark may feed your distorted narrative, but it helps no one.
The prejudice is from the parents who insist their metrics are the most important.

Honestly, been following this for years and beyond a point it's kind of a dice roll. There are a lot of kids with perfect grades and 99%+. Last I knew they don't look at the raw score but the percentage so a kid with 275 is treated the same as a kid with 305. With grades, last I knew they only looked at math and science grades for 7th and Q1 8th. There are more kids with 99% and 4.0 in those classes than there are spots.

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Anonymous wrote:What are you even talking about? My child has not shown me the list but mentioned a bunch of friends who got in over dinner. I know these kids and DC has said for 2.5 years they are all the top students with 300+ MAP scores.

The top mostly Asian 300+ students have got in. Agree. Seems though that the bar for Asian kids is 300+ while the bar for others is much lower.

And? It's a county-wide program so they need to take students from other middle schools, not just TPMS . And I bet you Asian kids from North Bethesda MS or Julius West MS have a much lower bar, too.

Not the point. Just comparing kids within TPMS. If a 290 Asian boy doesn't get in but a 260 white kid or a 250 girl gets in that means Asians are just being compared among themselves. Like they are not real individuals but just a homogenous group.

Not necessarily. Blair wants innovation, to think outside the box. That requires some diversity. If the kids in question are all in the same box of robotics, cs and strings, they may prefer a kid who has a slightly lower map who will bring art, environmental science, poetry and/or drama. It's likely more about scope than race. TPMS and Blair have always been heavily Asian and skewed male, btw. It would be good to have more diversity.

You are making the assumption that the asian kid is not into art, poetry or drama...that's the essential problem here. putting people in boxes...

Nope. I noted that the program is majority Asian, actually. This is based on the complaints here that parents make, then they only focus on scores. Also, based on years of experience in the magnets.

years of experience doesn't cure prejudice

Stop with the dog whistle. These are race blind, and I am trying to help parents who seem to think that their is a certain recipe for admission. Observations are not prejudice. Your petty remark may feed your distorted narrative, but it helps no one.
The prejudice is from the parents who insist their metrics are the most important.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are the parent of an Asian boy - well-rounded with good grades and high MAP scores looking around you to see kids who may have worse scores getting in, this is just the beginning. wait till you get to college admissions. it is beyond brutal. essentially at this point Asian kids - esp boys - are competing among themselves because the bar is so much higher than for others. being held to different standards as a 13 or 14 year old sucks though.

Admissions for these public school programs is race blind. They have no clue what the applicants race is just gender.

Some kids mentioned it in their essays. It's a work around.

Sure. Blair magnet is known for letting in subpar students just because they are black or brown. You sound like you need a therapist.