Anonymous
01/19/2023 17:25
Subject: Private Schools Wokeness Over the Top
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As a parent from a foreign background, this article resonated with me. I feel lost here and feel like I no longer fit in.
https://www.slowboring.com/p/who-is-included-by-inclusive-language
You have a "foreign background" and feel foreign. Is that unusual?
I am a well-educated American who attended an elite prep school, college and professional school and I also find it way OTT. People are being taught to substitute emotion for critical thinking, that’s the bottom line. WAY too much coddling and overprotection of potential hurt feelings and a willingness, a conviction even, that what was once a marketplace of ideas and multiplicity of viewpoints needs to be curated and used as a platform for advocacy—silencing “undesirables” with coercion instead of civil discourse. It’s happening at all levels of academic, from elite prep schools though college and in academic publishing too.
No one is “silenced” but people don’t have to give a platform to racists, misogynists, liars, traitors, enemies of the state, etc.
Sadly, there is no distinction between someone’s opinion of what is unreasoned racism or misogyny and what actually is. If a scholar is credentialed, vetted and peer reviewed, and they have actual reasoning and not just prejudice, they should be able to publish their unpopular opinion without being boxed out by entitled independently wealthy liberal arts grads in their 20s and 30s who think that they have the right to control the “platform” and be arbiters of our culture. It’s plain wrong.
Anonymous
01/19/2023 17:23
Subject: Private Schools Wokeness Over the Top
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As a parent from a foreign background, this article resonated with me. I feel lost here and feel like I no longer fit in.
https://www.slowboring.com/p/who-is-included-by-inclusive-language
You have a "foreign background" and feel foreign. Is that unusual?
I am a well-educated American who attended an elite prep school, college and professional school and I also find it way OTT. People are being taught to substitute emotion for critical thinking, that’s the bottom line. WAY too much coddling and overprotection of potential hurt feelings and a willingness, a conviction even, that what was once a marketplace of ideas and multiplicity of viewpoints needs to be curated and used as a platform for advocacy—silencing “undesirables” with coercion instead of civil discourse. It’s happening at all levels of academic, from elite prep schools though college and in academic publishing too.
So true, great add.
This “know your truth” feelings stuff is suddenly educational content for children.
I actually would love to see a sfs or gds debate team or class talk two sides of a controversial issue mentee on this thread without snickering, ridiculing, eye rolling and playing the woke role to a T.
The middle school and upper school debate teams at Sidwell do this every weekend they compete.
Anonymous
01/19/2023 17:22
Subject: Private Schools Wokeness Over the Top
Trump university is now considered more rigorous than Brown or Dartmouth.
Anonymous
01/19/2023 17:22
Subject: Private Schools Wokeness Over the Top
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It’s a pilot course based on the controversial 1619 project and activist OpEds.
But again, pull the reading list and syllabi yourself.
Do you have access to the syllabus? I haven't been able to find one for the AP course.
google is your friend
https://apcentral.collegeboard.org/about-ap/how-ap-develops-courses-and-exams/pilot-ap-african-american-studies
and it isn't based on the 1619 project or Kendi. It is based on, you know facts and history.
DP: You sound like very confident about that. Why? Did you review its development? Or simply because the little you've read about it seems to promote your woke agenda and attack Florida at the same time?
I'd bet a dollar than a purely objective Martian arriving on Earth tomorrow to review the merits of the case would side with Florida on this.
Let's review the facts and see if this course reflects good quality and evidence or whether it is another example of Wokeness Over the Top.
I win the dollar!!!!
"National outrage ensued after the state rejected an AP African American Studies course, but a copy of the syllabus obtained by The Florida Standard shows the course sought to teach progressive doctrines such as intersectionality and Critical Race Theory.
Section 4 of the syllabus introduces the topic “Postracial Racism and Colorblindness” and features texts from Eduardo Bonilla-Silva, who employs Critical Race Theory in his writings...describes how “Whites talk, think, and account for the existence of racial inequality and makes clear that color-blind racism is as insidious now as ever.” ... Section 4 also includes “Black Queer Studies.” A description states: “This topic explores the concept of queer color critique, grounded in Black feminism and intersectionality, as a Black studies lens that shifts sexuality studies towards racial analysis.”
https://www.theflstandard.com/exclusive-rejected-african-american-studies-course-in-florida-features-crt-intersectionality-and-queer-theory/
OP, is this the kind of stuff you had in mind when opening this thread?
The cited source is not a valid, independent source of news. It is opinion. Critical thinking is important.
Anonymous
01/19/2023 17:22
Subject: Private Schools Wokeness Over the Top
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It’s a pilot course based on the controversial 1619 project and activist OpEds.
But again, pull the reading list and syllabi yourself.
Do you have access to the syllabus? I haven't been able to find one for the AP course.
google is your friend
https://apcentral.collegeboard.org/about-ap/how-ap-develops-courses-and-exams/pilot-ap-african-american-studies
and it isn't based on the 1619 project or Kendi. It is based on, you know facts and history.
DP: You sound like very confident about that. Why? Did you review its development? Or simply because the little you've read about it seems to promote your woke agenda and attack Florida at the same time?
I'd bet a dollar than a purely objective Martian arriving on Earth tomorrow to review the merits of the case would side with Florida on this.
Let's review the facts and see if this course reflects good quality and evidence or whether it is another example of Wokeness Over the Top.
I win the dollar!!!!
"National outrage ensued after the state rejected an AP African American Studies course, but a copy of the syllabus obtained by The Florida Standard shows the course sought to teach progressive doctrines such as intersectionality and Critical Race Theory.
Section 4 of the syllabus introduces the topic “Postracial Racism and Colorblindness” and features texts from Eduardo Bonilla-Silva, who employs Critical Race Theory in his writings...describes how “Whites talk, think, and account for the existence of racial inequality and makes clear that color-blind racism is as insidious now as ever.” ... Section 4 also includes “Black Queer Studies.” A description states: “This topic explores the concept of queer color critique, grounded in Black feminism and intersectionality, as a Black studies lens that shifts sexuality studies towards racial analysis.”
https://www.theflstandard.com/exclusive-rejected-african-american-studies-course-in-florida-features-crt-intersectionality-and-queer-theory/
OP, is this the kind of stuff you had in mind when opening this thread?
Ah yess, like the activist worksheet my teen brought home the other day on Dominant Culture versus Nondominant Culture. What a load!
Anonymous
01/19/2023 17:21
Subject: Private Schools Wokeness Over the Top
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As a parent from a foreign background, this article resonated with me. I feel lost here and feel like I no longer fit in.
https://www.slowboring.com/p/who-is-included-by-inclusive-language
The author of the article cites a few Washington DC schools:
“Georgetown Day and Sidwell Friends here in D.C..”
It doesn’t seem like any of these schools hide the fact that they embrace diversity and equity , etc. I think it’s great that many schools are embracing these things. If a person doesn’t like a school’s ideologies they can obviously pick other schools..
It’s about more than embracing diversity and equity. It really is o er the top breeding of social justice warriors to a ridiculous degree—only for the most privileged trust fund children who can afford it, natch. I’m a liberal btw.
Lets not go too far here. They may embrace diversity, but their entire existence is premised on helping their students avoid equitable outcomes.
Precisely. Don’t get carried away.
These schools would do much better to teach their students the truth which is that every wealthy society and sector of society has gotten there by exploiting another class or nationality or strata of people; that cheap labor is the foundation of prosperity for a minority; that historically the cheap labor has been black and brown people and women (and also poor white people); and that they are on a proving ground / training ground for becoming overlords themselves.
Not this nonsense that any Western society has ever achieved excellence while not also building on a foundation of abuse, bc it just isn’t true.
Careful Hon, you are treading on the CRT line.
(sarcasm)
What you are describing is exactly what these people are calling "woke"
Anonymous
01/19/2023 17:20
Subject: Private Schools Wokeness Over the Top
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It’s a pilot course based on the controversial 1619 project and activist OpEds.
But again, pull the reading list and syllabi yourself.
Do you have access to the syllabus? I haven't been able to find one for the AP course.
google is your friend
https://apcentral.collegeboard.org/about-ap/how-ap-develops-courses-and-exams/pilot-ap-african-american-studies
and it isn't based on the 1619 project or Kendi. It is based on, you know facts and history.
DP: You sound like very confident about that. Why? Did you review its development? Or simply because the little you've read about it seems to promote your woke agenda and attack Florida at the same time?
I'd bet a dollar than a purely objective Martian arriving on Earth tomorrow to review the merits of the case would side with Florida on this.
Let's review the facts and see if this course reflects good quality and evidence or whether it is another example of Wokeness Over the Top.
I win the dollar!!!!
"National outrage ensued after the state rejected an AP African American Studies course, but a copy of the syllabus obtained by The Florida Standard shows the course sought to teach progressive doctrines such as intersectionality and Critical Race Theory.
Section 4 of the syllabus introduces the topic “Postracial Racism and Colorblindness” and features texts from Eduardo Bonilla-Silva, who employs Critical Race Theory in his writings...describes how “Whites talk, think, and account for the existence of racial inequality and makes clear that color-blind racism is as insidious now as ever.” ... Section 4 also includes “Black Queer Studies.” A description states: “This topic explores the concept of queer color critique, grounded in Black feminism and intersectionality, as a Black studies lens that shifts sexuality studies towards racial analysis.”
https://www.theflstandard.com/exclusive-rejected-african-american-studies-course-in-florida-features-crt-intersectionality-and-queer-theory/
OP, is this the kind of stuff you had in mind when opening this thread?
What a trendy BLM, CRT, circa 2020 educational class!
Anonymous
01/19/2023 17:19
Subject: Private Schools Wokeness Over the Top
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As a parent from a foreign background, this article resonated with me. I feel lost here and feel like I no longer fit in.
https://www.slowboring.com/p/who-is-included-by-inclusive-language
You have a "foreign background" and feel foreign. Is that unusual?
I am a well-educated American who attended an elite prep school, college and professional school and I also find it way OTT. People are being taught to substitute emotion for critical thinking, that’s the bottom line. WAY too much coddling and overprotection of potential hurt feelings and a willingness, a conviction even, that what was once a marketplace of ideas and multiplicity of viewpoints needs to be curated and used as a platform for advocacy—silencing “undesirables” with coercion instead of civil discourse. It’s happening at all levels of academic, from elite prep schools though college and in academic publishing too.
Do you truly believe your elite schools were ever marketplaces for a multiplicity of viewpoints?
Much more so than they are today. I thought it was an incredibly privileged place at the time but it was nothing like th frankly unrecognizable cushy catering that I see today.
Anonymous
01/19/2023 17:17
Subject: Private Schools Wokeness Over the Top
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As a parent from a foreign background, this article resonated with me. I feel lost here and feel like I no longer fit in.
https://www.slowboring.com/p/who-is-included-by-inclusive-language
You have a "foreign background" and feel foreign. Is that unusual?
I am a well-educated American who attended an elite prep school, college and professional school and I also find it way OTT. People are being taught to substitute emotion for critical thinking, that’s the bottom line. WAY too much coddling and overprotection of potential hurt feelings and a willingness, a conviction even, that what was once a marketplace of ideas and multiplicity of viewpoints needs to be curated and used as a platform for advocacy—silencing “undesirables” with coercion instead of civil discourse. It’s happening at all levels of academic, from elite prep schools though college and in academic publishing too.
So true, great add.
This “know your truth” feelings stuff is suddenly educational content for children.
I actually would love to see a sfs or gds debate team or class talk two sides of a controversial issue mentee on this thread without snickering, ridiculing, eye rolling and playing the woke role to a T.
Anonymous
01/19/2023 17:17
Subject: Private Schools Wokeness Over the Top
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As a parent from a foreign background, this article resonated with me. I feel lost here and feel like I no longer fit in.
https://www.slowboring.com/p/who-is-included-by-inclusive-language
You have a "foreign background" and feel foreign. Is that unusual?
I am a well-educated American who attended an elite prep school, college and professional school and I also find it way OTT. People are being taught to substitute emotion for critical thinking, that’s the bottom line. WAY too much coddling and overprotection of potential hurt feelings and a willingness, a conviction even, that what was once a marketplace of ideas and multiplicity of viewpoints needs to be curated and used as a platform for advocacy—silencing “undesirables” with coercion instead of civil discourse. It’s happening at all levels of academic, from elite prep schools though college and in academic publishing too.
This is really well said. I also went to an elite institution and would agree with all of this.
Anonymous
01/19/2023 17:16
Subject: Private Schools Wokeness Over the Top
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It’s a pilot course based on the controversial 1619 project and activist OpEds.
But again, pull the reading list and syllabi yourself.
Do you have access to the syllabus? I haven't been able to find one for the AP course.
google is your friend
https://apcentral.collegeboard.org/about-ap/how-ap-develops-courses-and-exams/pilot-ap-african-american-studies
and it isn't based on the 1619 project or Kendi. It is based on, you know facts and history.
DP: You sound like very confident about that. Why? Did you review its development? Or simply because the little you've read about it seems to promote your woke agenda and attack Florida at the same time?
I'd bet a dollar than a purely objective Martian arriving on Earth tomorrow to review the merits of the case would side with Florida on this.
Let's review the facts and see if this course reflects good quality and evidence or whether it is another example of Wokeness Over the Top.
I win the dollar!!!!
"National outrage ensued after the state rejected an AP African American Studies course, but a copy of the syllabus obtained by The Florida Standard shows the course sought to teach progressive doctrines such as intersectionality and Critical Race Theory.
Section 4 of the syllabus introduces the topic “Postracial Racism and Colorblindness” and features texts from Eduardo Bonilla-Silva, who employs Critical Race Theory in his writings...describes how “Whites talk, think, and account for the existence of racial inequality and makes clear that color-blind racism is as insidious now as ever.” ... Section 4 also includes “Black Queer Studies.” A description states: “This topic explores the concept of queer color critique, grounded in Black feminism and intersectionality, as a Black studies lens that shifts sexuality studies towards racial analysis.”
https://www.theflstandard.com/exclusive-rejected-african-american-studies-course-in-florida-features-crt-intersectionality-and-queer-theory/
OP, is this the kind of stuff you had in mind when opening this thread?
Anonymous
01/19/2023 17:16
Subject: Private Schools Wokeness Over the Top
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As a parent from a foreign background, this article resonated with me. I feel lost here and feel like I no longer fit in.
https://www.slowboring.com/p/who-is-included-by-inclusive-language
The author of the article cites a few Washington DC schools:
“Georgetown Day and Sidwell Friends here in D.C..”
It doesn’t seem like any of these schools hide the fact that they embrace diversity and equity , etc. I think it’s great that many schools are embracing these things. If a person doesn’t like a school’s ideologies they can obviously pick other schools..
It’s about more than embracing diversity and equity. It really is o er the top breeding of social justice warriors to a ridiculous degree—only for the most privileged trust fund children who can afford it, natch. I’m a liberal btw.
Lets not go too far here. They may embrace diversity, but their entire existence is premised on helping their students avoid equitable outcomes.
Precisely. Don’t get carried away.
These schools would do much better to teach their students the truth which is that every wealthy society and sector of society has gotten there by exploiting another class or nationality or strata of people; that cheap labor is the foundation of prosperity for a minority; that historically the cheap labor has been black and brown people and women (and also poor white people); and that they are on a proving ground / training ground for becoming overlords themselves.
Not this nonsense that any Western society has ever achieved excellence while not also building on a foundation of abuse, bc it just isn’t true.
Anonymous
01/19/2023 17:13
Subject: Private Schools Wokeness Over the Top
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It’s a pilot course based on the controversial 1619 project and activist OpEds.
But again, pull the reading list and syllabi yourself.
Do you have access to the syllabus? I haven't been able to find one for the AP course.
google is your friend
https://apcentral.collegeboard.org/about-ap/how-ap-develops-courses-and-exams/pilot-ap-african-american-studies
and it isn't based on the 1619 project or Kendi. It is based on, you know facts and history.
I want to take the African Caribbean history class or African Mideast history class.
Anonymous
01/19/2023 17:13
Subject: Private Schools Wokeness Over the Top
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As a parent from a foreign background, this article resonated with me. I feel lost here and feel like I no longer fit in.
https://www.slowboring.com/p/who-is-included-by-inclusive-language
You have a "foreign background" and feel foreign. Is that unusual?
I am a well-educated American who attended an elite prep school, college and professional school and I also find it way OTT. People are being taught to substitute emotion for critical thinking, that’s the bottom line. WAY too much coddling and overprotection of potential hurt feelings and a willingness, a conviction even, that what was once a marketplace of ideas and multiplicity of viewpoints needs to be curated and used as a platform for advocacy—silencing “undesirables” with coercion instead of civil discourse. It’s happening at all levels of academic, from elite prep schools though college and in academic publishing too.
Do you truly believe your elite schools were ever marketplaces for a multiplicity of viewpoints?
Anonymous
01/19/2023 17:11
Subject: Private Schools Wokeness Over the Top
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As a parent from a foreign background, this article resonated with me. I feel lost here and feel like I no longer fit in.
https://www.slowboring.com/p/who-is-included-by-inclusive-language
You have a "foreign background" and feel foreign. Is that unusual?
I am a well-educated American who attended an elite prep school, college and professional school and I also find it way OTT. People are being taught to substitute emotion for critical thinking, that’s the bottom line. WAY too much coddling and overprotection of potential hurt feelings and a willingness, a conviction even, that what was once a marketplace of ideas and multiplicity of viewpoints needs to be curated and used as a platform for advocacy—silencing “undesirables” with coercion instead of civil discourse. It’s happening at all levels of academic, from elite prep schools though college and in academic publishing too.
No one is “silenced” but people don’t have to give a platform to racists, misogynists, liars, traitors, enemies of the state, etc.