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Anonymous wrote:DD (HS junior) is set on this school though she has never been. I know it’s a good school, but is it really all THAT?

It is expensive OOS. Can it really be all that different academically from other state schools? Is it hyped because of the sports?

When I ask her why she is so certain she shrugs her shoulders and says, “I don’t know. I just am.”

We don’t have any family members that go there, so not sure where she is getting it from. She said she mentioned it to the guidance counselor, not the other way around.

I'd advise her to go back to the drawing board. You need more than this.

+1. At 73K a year the adults need to step in. At least visit!

Not sure where you get 73 a year. With DC Tag, it is 42k plus room and board.

Right here. OOS is $73k a year. DC tag gives you only $10k off that. https://finaid.umich.edu/getting-started/estimating-costs

I just sent my tuition check for 26,000 for the semester, minus DC TAG was a shade over 21,000 times two semesters is around 52,000.

Uh, yeah, you paid tuition only. The $73K a year includes room and board and fees.

Ann Arbor is a vibrant college town nowhere near “dead and dying Detroit”. Ignore the above poster. Apps go up every year and will likely continue to do so for those who value education at the highest level.

The state of Michigan has been dying and increasingly irrelevant for 50 years. The university made its bones when Detroit was a manufacturing, business, and engineering hub. Those days are long gone. I'd recommend going to college some place on the rise and warm, not a place which will decay before your eyes over four years.

Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone go to a crowded OOS public for undergrad?

+1. The answer is because they don't get into any of the higher ranked privates or California and Virginia publics in the top 30.

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Anonymous wrote:Great safety if you get rejected from Boston College, Wake Forest, Georgetown, Vanderbilt and USC.

I’d add NYU, Villanova and Tufts and I’d mull adding Miami (FL) to the list. In the real world, Michigan is competing against George Washington and Wisconsin.

Random list of comparison colleges. No one who wants true city life like at NYU or GW is applying to Michigan. Of course Wisco is a peer and I guess I could see students being interested in Villanova and Michigan but there are a lot of obvious differences. Miami shares some overlap characteristics with Michigan minus the obvious - weather. Michigan is stronger academically than most of these, too. Tufts is very strong academically but is another planet to Michigan in terms of vibe.

Correction. Michigan is stronger academically than all of those…..

Michigan is higher ranked than all of those, but I disagree that means it is stronger academically. I honestly don’t know.

Michigan may have more “renowned” profs - but how much interaction are the undergrad students getting with those profs?

And does “renowned profs” even mean - they may have more ivy leagued educated profs or those who are more published, but does that makes them better teachers to undergrads?

Based on size alone, there is no way that the Michigan student body taken as a whole is more accomplished than those at Haverford, Tufts, etc. Also at my
kids’ hs, it is harder to get into Haverford and Tufts than Michigan.

And I’m not saying this makes Haverford or whatever better than Michigan. But the appeal of Michigan to an undergrad (and there is much to appeal!) usually isn’t rooted in its academic rigor surpassing these other colleges, unless a student is hung up on the ranking game.

Anonymous wrote: What do you guys make of this?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/college-football/article-11592209/Michigan-QB-JJ-McCarthys-father-slammed-online-appeared-fondle-sons-girlfriend.html

Looks bad.

How does his dad potentially being creepy have anything to do with the school?

You named two extremes - Haverford and Michigan. There are so so many colleges in between the two size wise. No shade on Michigan but lots of options for large uni, spirited school environment that are not 50k students (like UVA 😊).

Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone go to a crowded OOS public for undergrad?

It is no more, or less "crowded" than any other school. It has a big campus, to match the number of students it matriculates.

I think the question is, does on prefer a small, intimate college with a few hundred other classmates, like Haverford, or a big research university? Every student is going to be different in their goals and preferences.

Everyone has difference preferences and have so many, varied, options in this country is a treasure.

Why would anyone go to a crowded OOS public for undergrad?

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Anonymous wrote:Rarely does a university live up to the hype.

They are mostly hype. There is colossal bloat in U.S. universities.

+1

You are buying a brand.

If you are in state and want to be surrounded by striver types who view life as one big competition, it's a great school.

I would consider Michigan for out of state if you are loaded or majoring in engineering.

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Anonymous wrote:Great safety if you get rejected from Boston College, Wake Forest, Georgetown, Vanderbilt and USC.

I’d add NYU, Villanova and Tufts and I’d mull adding Miami (FL) to the list. In the real world, Michigan is competing against George Washington and Wisconsin.

Random list of comparison colleges. No one who wants true city life like at NYU or GW is applying to Michigan. Of course Wisco is a peer and I guess I could see students being interested in Villanova and Michigan but there are a lot of obvious differences. Miami shares some overlap characteristics with Michigan minus the obvious - weather. Michigan is stronger academically than most of these, too. Tufts is very strong academically but is another planet to Michigan in terms of vibe.

Correction. Michigan is stronger academically than all of those…..

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Anonymous wrote:Great safety if you get rejected from Boston College, Wake Forest, Georgetown, Vanderbilt and USC.

I’d add NYU, Villanova and Tufts and I’d mull adding Miami (FL) to the list. In the real world, Michigan is competing against George Washington and Wisconsin.

Random list of comparison colleges. No one who wants true city life like at NYU or GW is applying to Michigan. Of course Wisco is a peer and I guess I could see students being interested in Villanova and Michigan but there are a lot of obvious differences. Miami shares some overlap characteristics with Michigan minus the obvious - weather. Michigan is stronger academically than most of these, too. Tufts is very strong academically but is another planet to Michigan in terms of vibe.

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Anonymous wrote:Rarely does a university live up to the hype.

They are mostly hype. There is colossal bloat in U.S. universities.

Excellent point.

What point? I don’t see any.

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Anonymous wrote:Rarely does a university live up to the hype.

They are mostly hype. There is colossal bloat in U.S. universities.

Excellent point.

What do you guys make of this?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/college-football/article-11592209/Michigan-QB-JJ-McCarthys-father-slammed-online-appeared-fondle-sons-girlfriend.html

Looks bad.