Anonymous
02/05/2022 08:25
Subject: Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
The article yesterday about Whoopi contributing a recipe for a fancy pants CT community cookbook back in the 90s confirms what I thought: she thinks joking about or punching down on Jews is totally fine because she simply doesn’t understand their plight.
The recipe she submitted: Jewish American Princess Fried Chicken.
A black guy on Fox News last week (I think his name is Tyrus and he’s on Gutfeld’s show—saw the clip on YouTube) explained that Whoopi is basically an old black lady and her lack of awareness (at best) or antsemitism (my word, not his) is common among her demographic. That also tracks with my real world experience.
In short: she doesn’t understand the plight of the Jews because she’s spent her life believing stereotypes. Her worldview is that Jews hold all the power. They’re the most powerful, privileged of the whites. As such, how could they really know suffering?
And as a black person, she sees black/white racism as the sole lens of everything. It’s a very American way of thinking, and it’s not new.
I bet you a million bucks that if you asked Whoopi or any black person her age how she feels about Asians, she would probably argue they aren’t a persecuted race either. She would say they are practically white and privileged. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard that from older black Americans.
FTR, the people on the fox segment were seemingly defending Whoopi. They said she was wrong, learned from her mistake, and apologized.
The recipe she submitted: Jewish American Princess Fried Chicken.
A black guy on Fox News last week (I think his name is Tyrus and he’s on Gutfeld’s show—saw the clip on YouTube) explained that Whoopi is basically an old black lady and her lack of awareness (at best) or antsemitism (my word, not his) is common among her demographic. That also tracks with my real world experience.
In short: she doesn’t understand the plight of the Jews because she’s spent her life believing stereotypes. Her worldview is that Jews hold all the power. They’re the most powerful, privileged of the whites. As such, how could they really know suffering?
And as a black person, she sees black/white racism as the sole lens of everything. It’s a very American way of thinking, and it’s not new.
I bet you a million bucks that if you asked Whoopi or any black person her age how she feels about Asians, she would probably argue they aren’t a persecuted race either. She would say they are practically white and privileged. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard that from older black Americans.
FTR, the people on the fox segment were seemingly defending Whoopi. They said she was wrong, learned from her mistake, and apologized.
Anonymous
02/05/2022 07:50
Subject: Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
This kerfuffle is viewed by many as important because it gets at the fundamental question: are Jews white? It’s an easy question for right-wing trolls like me to answer (who cares, why would you even ask?), but the stakes are extremely high for the social justice left, which has to decide where Jewish people fit in the intersectional pecking order. Based on my observations, most Jewish people in DEI-related discussions seem to want to position themselves as not white (for obvious reasons), while most POC appear to think of them as white. I suspect this issue is going to come up a lot.
Anonymous
02/05/2022 07:41
Subject: Re:Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Donald trump called Mexicans rapists and mocked disabled people and 80 million people voted for him (2x). Whoopi was wrong but she doesn’t deserve to be canceled permanently.
Sadly this is true.
About ten yrs. ago I was more than convinced that the Holocaust was so far back in history that there was no way that it could happen again.
Then Trump was elected President & I lost my faith.
Trump never spoke in a dignified manner - instead he spoke like a common dictator.
When he said that Mexicans were rapists, then later on called Covid the “Chi**** Virus” it made me think of how Hitler spoke of the Jews.
Trump should definitely have been canceled for all the mean stuff he said + did - but he amassed too many followers to be left out in the cold.
Which until the day I die I will never be able to wrap my head around.
When I hear survivors of the awful Holocaust, “never forget” —> “do not let history repeat itself” etc., I feel like society in general has a responsibility to make sure none of these survivors (as well as non-survivors) did not suffer and die in vain.
Ethnic cleansings have happened again and again since the Holocaust.
Anonymous
02/05/2022 06:58
Subject: Re:Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
Anonymous wrote:Donald trump called Mexicans rapists and mocked disabled people and 80 million people voted for him (2x). Whoopi was wrong but she doesn’t deserve to be canceled permanently.
Sadly this is true.
About ten yrs. ago I was more than convinced that the Holocaust was so far back in history that there was no way that it could happen again.
Then Trump was elected President & I lost my faith.
Trump never spoke in a dignified manner - instead he spoke like a common dictator.
When he said that Mexicans were rapists, then later on called Covid the “Chi**** Virus” it made me think of how Hitler spoke of the Jews.
Trump should definitely have been canceled for all the mean stuff he said + did - but he amassed too many followers to be left out in the cold.
Which until the day I die I will never be able to wrap my head around.
When I hear survivors of the awful Holocaust, “never forget” —> “do not let history repeat itself” etc., I feel like society in general has a responsibility to make sure none of these survivors (as well as non-survivors) did not suffer and die in vain.
Anonymous
02/05/2022 05:56
Subject: Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
Anonymous wrote:I like that the Morning Joe Gang has stood up for Whoopie decrying cancel culture - I am Jewish/liberal.
Just to be clear, I saw conservatives stand up for Whoopi as well saying the two week suspension is ridiculous. They wanted a debate of her ideas, not hiding her away until it blows over. Main stream conservatives were against canceling her for her speech.
Anonymous
02/05/2022 04:40
Subject: Re:Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
Donald trump called Mexicans rapists and mocked disabled people and 80 million people voted for him (2x). Whoopi was wrong but she doesn’t deserve to be canceled permanently.
Anonymous
02/05/2022 00:39
Subject: Re:Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
I think Whoopi should be fired for saying the things she said.
Because most people would.
Some have said things more benign & have been canceled immediately.
Of course the Holocaust was about race - in fact that was the catalyst for it occurring in the first place.
The Germans viewed the Jewish people as an inferior race.
That is why they elected to clear Europe of these people.
And tragically they put a huge dent into this “inferior” race.
Yes it was also inhumanity taking place > but that is not the main reason the Holocaust took place to begin with. 😕
Because most people would.
Some have said things more benign & have been canceled immediately.
Of course the Holocaust was about race - in fact that was the catalyst for it occurring in the first place.
The Germans viewed the Jewish people as an inferior race.
That is why they elected to clear Europe of these people.
And tragically they put a huge dent into this “inferior” race.
Yes it was also inhumanity taking place > but that is not the main reason the Holocaust took place to begin with. 😕
Anonymous
02/04/2022 21:22
Subject: Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It's up to you how you want to identify. I have a friend with a similar background to yours and she does not consider herself Jewish.
It certainly is confusing.
It actually isn't. If you want to identify as part of a certain community, that community must agree you're one of them.
Good luck with that. There are hundreds of Jews right here, in addition to the global community, who cannot seem to agree on what a Jewish person is.
So- no, the community does not have to agree.
Exactly.
So you think that all I have to do to become Italian is to decide that I am?
Isn’t that how this whole “self-ID” movement that liberals are pushing works? I’m a woman because I say I am, never mind that I am an XY and phenotypically male. So, why not that you’re Jewish because just you say you are? No gatekeeping.
Italian means your family origin is from Italy. That also is not a race.
Stop gatekeeping. If you’re not careful, I’ll self-ID as you!
Anonymous
02/04/2022 19:27
Subject: Re:Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
Anonymous wrote:In this 2012 article from The Jewish Chronicle online Whoopi claims she is Jewish:
https://web.archive.org/web/20160919085602/http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/48817/whoopi-goldberg-im-jewish-and-i-talk-god
Headline: “Whoopi Goldberg: I'm Jewish and I talk to God”
She may be well known as a singing nun in Sister Act, but actress Whoopi Goldberg has claimed she feels just as Jewish as she does black.
Speaking this week at a charity event in London, the Oscar-winning actress said: "I just know I am Jewish. I practise nothing. I don't go to temple, but I do remember the holidays. Religion is a lot of work, it's exhausting. So I keep it simple, I have a pretty good relationship with God. We talk.'"
She added: "When people heard the name 'Whoopi Goldberg', and then I turned up, I was not what they were expecting.
"People would ask me in a roundabout way, 'So are you?' And I would say 'What?' And they'd say 'What does your name mean?' And I would say 'Do you mean Whoopi?' And they'd say 'No, the other name.' And then they would say 'Come on, are you Jewish?' And I always say 'Would you ask me that if I was white? I bet not.'" The name is wonderful for starting conversations."
She refused to be drawn on the exact origins of the name, but added: "My mother did not name me Whoopi, but Goldberg is my name, it's part of my family, part of my heritage. Just like being black." One story suggests that her mother, Emma Johnson, thought that the family's original surname was "not Jewish enough" for her daughter to become a star.
Whoopi's father, Robert, was a clergyman who left the family in New York when the former Caryn Johnson was a baby.”
Imagine the daughter of a rabbi saying "I just know I'm am Muslim. That is why I took the name Mohammed. This is my heritage, a part of me. And my friends call me Shitstain because I can't wipe my ass, so that's why I decided to call myself Shitstain Mohammed. Would you question my Muslim identity if I wasn't a rabbi's daughter? How dare. But Shitstain Mohammed is a great conversation starter!"
Whoopi has no respect for Jews, at best.
Anonymous
02/04/2022 19:16
Subject: Re:Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
Anonymous wrote:Free Speach.
She is an actor playing a character.
Free Speach.
She's not playing anything on The View. What are you talking about?
Anonymous
02/04/2022 18:59
Subject: Re:Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
Ok so this should definitely get her fired—— WTH
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10474545/Whoopis-Goldbergs-offensive-1993-Jewish-American-Princess-recipe-chicken.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10474545/Whoopis-Goldbergs-offensive-1993-Jewish-American-Princess-recipe-chicken.html
Anonymous
02/04/2022 18:57
Subject: Re:Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
Free Speach.
She is an actor playing a character.
Free Speach.
She is an actor playing a character.
Free Speach.
Anonymous
02/04/2022 18:40
Subject: Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It's up to you how you want to identify. I have a friend with a similar background to yours and she does not consider herself Jewish.
It certainly is confusing.
It actually isn't. If you want to identify as part of a certain community, that community must agree you're one of them.
Good luck with that. There are hundreds of Jews right here, in addition to the global community, who cannot seem to agree on what a Jewish person is.
So- no, the community does not have to agree.
Exactly.
So you think that all I have to do to become Italian is to decide that I am?
Isn’t that how this whole “self-ID” movement that liberals are pushing works? I’m a woman because I say I am, never mind that I am an XY and phenotypically male. So, why not that you’re Jewish because just you say you are? No gatekeeping.
Italian means your family origin is from Italy. That also is not a race.
Anonymous
02/04/2022 13:32
Subject: Re:Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
In this 2012 article from The Jewish Chronicle online Whoopi claims she is Jewish:
https://web.archive.org/web/20160919085602/http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/48817/whoopi-goldberg-im-jewish-and-i-talk-god
Headline: “Whoopi Goldberg: I'm Jewish and I talk to God”
She may be well known as a singing nun in Sister Act, but actress Whoopi Goldberg has claimed she feels just as Jewish as she does black.
Speaking this week at a charity event in London, the Oscar-winning actress said: "I just know I am Jewish. I practise nothing. I don't go to temple, but I do remember the holidays. Religion is a lot of work, it's exhausting. So I keep it simple, I have a pretty good relationship with God. We talk.'"
She added: "When people heard the name 'Whoopi Goldberg', and then I turned up, I was not what they were expecting.
"People would ask me in a roundabout way, 'So are you?' And I would say 'What?' And they'd say 'What does your name mean?' And I would say 'Do you mean Whoopi?' And they'd say 'No, the other name.' And then they would say 'Come on, are you Jewish?' And I always say 'Would you ask me that if I was white? I bet not.'" The name is wonderful for starting conversations."
She refused to be drawn on the exact origins of the name, but added: "My mother did not name me Whoopi, but Goldberg is my name, it's part of my family, part of my heritage. Just like being black." One story suggests that her mother, Emma Johnson, thought that the family's original surname was "not Jewish enough" for her daughter to become a star.
Whoopi's father, Robert, was a clergyman who left the family in New York when the former Caryn Johnson was a baby.”
https://web.archive.org/web/20160919085602/http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/48817/whoopi-goldberg-im-jewish-and-i-talk-god
Headline: “Whoopi Goldberg: I'm Jewish and I talk to God”
She may be well known as a singing nun in Sister Act, but actress Whoopi Goldberg has claimed she feels just as Jewish as she does black.
Speaking this week at a charity event in London, the Oscar-winning actress said: "I just know I am Jewish. I practise nothing. I don't go to temple, but I do remember the holidays. Religion is a lot of work, it's exhausting. So I keep it simple, I have a pretty good relationship with God. We talk.'"
She added: "When people heard the name 'Whoopi Goldberg', and then I turned up, I was not what they were expecting.
"People would ask me in a roundabout way, 'So are you?' And I would say 'What?' And they'd say 'What does your name mean?' And I would say 'Do you mean Whoopi?' And they'd say 'No, the other name.' And then they would say 'Come on, are you Jewish?' And I always say 'Would you ask me that if I was white? I bet not.'" The name is wonderful for starting conversations."
She refused to be drawn on the exact origins of the name, but added: "My mother did not name me Whoopi, but Goldberg is my name, it's part of my family, part of my heritage. Just like being black." One story suggests that her mother, Emma Johnson, thought that the family's original surname was "not Jewish enough" for her daughter to become a star.
Whoopi's father, Robert, was a clergyman who left the family in New York when the former Caryn Johnson was a baby.”
Anonymous
02/04/2022 13:24
Subject: Re:Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand her point at all
She said it was white against white so it wasn’t about race. The Jewish faith is considered by some a race, a religion and a culture.
+1 And other religions also were targeted. Catholics, for example.
Catholics were targeted? You mean a few Catholics were targeted. A huge percentage of Nazis were Catholics. The antisemitism and demonization of Jews started with the Catholic Church. Most Catholics were not targeted by the Nazis. Get real!