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Anonymous wrote:Russia now has about 100,000 troops sitting on Ukraine’s border, and is sending strong signals it will invade as soon as the weather reaches the right moment. Russia is filling Ukraine media with all sorts of misinformation and fake news in advance of an attack. Biden is working with many other countries to discourage Russian aggression and warn of economic sanctions these countries will impose. Biden does not have many choices here.

The Trumpublicans - led by FoxNews - are of course supporting their Russian masters in all this, and saying the US should just let Russia invade other countries without consequence. More traditional Republicans are saying the US should send military support to Ukraine. No matter what Biden does, they’re all sure to try to blame him if Russia invades.

Are there any good options?

I am in the small minority in this thread, but in my view NATO expansion has been excessive. Were the roles reversed -- with Russia expanding its influence towards our borders (say, via Mexico) -- I believe that our reaction would be similar to Putin's.

I agree with the points made in this lecture by professor John Mearsheimer. The lecture is entitled "Why is Ukraine the West's Fault?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4

No, I'm not a Russia troll. I was born and raised in the DC area.

You do have a point. We declared the Monroe Doctrine throughout the Western Hemisphere. We’ve been ever ready to invade or support murderous thugs in Central and South America should any country in our near abroad start embracing socialism. We came within a hairsbreadth of a nuclear war when Soviet missiles appeared in Cuba (despite our own stationing of nukes in West Germany). The hypocritical saber rattling is kind of cringe inducing. All more stupid when Zalensky himself is telling the US to essentially butt-out

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Anonymous wrote:Russia now has about 100,000 troops sitting on Ukraine’s border, and is sending strong signals it will invade as soon as the weather reaches the right moment. Russia is filling Ukraine media with all sorts of misinformation and fake news in advance of an attack. Biden is working with many other countries to discourage Russian aggression and warn of economic sanctions these countries will impose. Biden does not have many choices here.

The Trumpublicans - led by FoxNews - are of course supporting their Russian masters in all this, and saying the US should just let Russia invade other countries without consequence. More traditional Republicans are saying the US should send military support to Ukraine. No matter what Biden does, they’re all sure to try to blame him if Russia invades.

Are there any good options?

I am in the small minority in this thread, but in my view NATO expansion has been excessive. Were the roles reversed -- with Russia expanding its influence towards our borders (say, via Mexico) -- I believe that our reaction would be similar to Putin's.

I agree with the points made in this lecture by professor John Mearsheimer. The lecture is entitled "Why is Ukraine the West's Fault?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4

No, I'm not a Russia troll. I was born and raised in the DC area.

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Anonymous wrote:Russia now has about 100,000 troops sitting on Ukraine’s border, and is sending strong signals it will invade as soon as the weather reaches the right moment. Russia is filling Ukraine media with all sorts of misinformation and fake news in advance of an attack. Biden is working with many other countries to discourage Russian aggression and warn of economic sanctions these countries will impose. Biden does not have many choices here.

The Trumpublicans - led by FoxNews - are of course supporting their Russian masters in all this, and saying the US should just let Russia invade other countries without consequence. More traditional Republicans are saying the US should send military support to Ukraine. No matter what Biden does, they’re all sure to try to blame him if Russia invades.

Are there any good options?

I am in the small minority in this thread, but in my view NATO expansion has been excessive. Were the roles reversed -- with Russia expanding its influence towards our borders (say, via Mexico) -- I believe that our reaction would be similar to Putin's.

I agree with the points made in this lecture by professor John Mearsheimer. The lecture is entitled "Why is Ukraine the West's Fault?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4

No, I'm not a Russia troll. I was born and raised in the DC area.

Anonymous wrote:Russia now has about 100,000 troops sitting on Ukraine’s border, and is sending strong signals it will invade as soon as the weather reaches the right moment. Russia is filling Ukraine media with all sorts of misinformation and fake news in advance of an attack. Biden is working with many other countries to discourage Russian aggression and warn of economic sanctions these countries will impose. Biden does not have many choices here.

The Trumpublicans - led by FoxNews - are of course supporting their Russian masters in all this, and saying the US should just let Russia invade other countries without consequence. More traditional Republicans are saying the US should send military support to Ukraine. No matter what Biden does, they’re all sure to try to blame him if Russia invades.

Are there any good options?

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Anonymous wrote:What has the U.S. done when its economic well-being was threatened? Every single time? What did and does it still do?

Russia's economic well being is not threatened. Neither is it's security well being. If Russia does nothing then nothing happens. The choice is entirepy Russia's.

Russia feels that positioning NATO's offensive weapons and bases in countries within the shooting range of Russia (i.e. Bulgaria & Romania) is a threat. You may argue that these things do not threaten Russia, but they feel differently.

Except neither Bulgaria nor Romania are in shooting range of Russia and neither has offensive weapons positioned there. Facts are facts.

Also, it should be pointed out that threatening to invade a third country unless NATO doesn't do what they are not doing is asinine. Not only would that bring NATO (Romania) into shooting range it would also create a reason for offensive weapons to be placed there.

Oh honey, step away from your media feed. Russia's economy depends on the gas line that goes through Ukraine. The rest is just games. The very livelihood of Russia is in question.
The U.S. has attacked and invaded every time it felt that gasoline supply was threatened, and it has removed government in the blink of an eye, or a year if they didn't like where that country is heading.
You are still so indoctrinated with your hate of Russia that you cannot see your own country for what it is.
The hypocrisy boggles the mind! We can do whatever we want and still think we are the good guys; Russia can take over 98% of ethnic Russian Crimea that had a referendum to leave Ukraine and be the bad guys.
The U.S. supplies and bombs former Yugoslavia to allow parts to succeed from it so they can join the U.S. influence zone. Cause... humanitarian bombings that result in NATO bases closer to Russia and the Middle East and control the whole region.
Yep, whatever we do, we be good; they be bad.
The saddest part is that they convinced you that this is for BCS we are the good guys, we are dying for liberty and freedom, (and some cheap gasoline) and yet most of us never actually see any benefits from this. We send our sons and daughters to make huge conglomerates rich! Like the ones that lived off the taxpayer's spending in Afghanistan! And you are PROUD that your kids are dying to make a rich man richer!

lol @ "we"

Russia is preparing a totally unprovoked invasion of Ukraine. There is no question who is in the right and who is in the wrong here.

You can't pretend Russia isn't the aggressor here, and 100% in the wrong.

You might be surprised that most academics in the field research the U.S. and teach the power relations and history as it truly is. Yes, good old American professors teach your kids the facts of power relations in the world. Gasp! Meaning that YOUR (mine too) country is portrayed as an Imperialist and military oppressor! For-profit.
Write a formal letter of outrage to all of us!

You’re deflecting. The argument is not about the US being an Imperialist country or not, or being good or bad (which are words only children use). The argument is whether or not one country should be allowed to invade and take over another. Generally, this is viewed as wrong in todays world. You do get that, right?

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Anonymous wrote:What has the U.S. done when its economic well-being was threatened? Every single time? What did and does it still do?

Russia's economic well being is not threatened. Neither is it's security well being. If Russia does nothing then nothing happens. The choice is entirepy Russia's.

Russia feels that positioning NATO's offensive weapons and bases in countries within the shooting range of Russia (i.e. Bulgaria & Romania) is a threat. You may argue that these things do not threaten Russia, but they feel differently.

Except neither Bulgaria nor Romania are in shooting range of Russia and neither has offensive weapons positioned there. Facts are facts.

Also, it should be pointed out that threatening to invade a third country unless NATO doesn't do what they are not doing is asinine. Not only would that bring NATO (Romania) into shooting range it would also create a reason for offensive weapons to be placed there.

Oh honey, step away from your media feed. Russia's economy depends on the gas line that goes through Ukraine. The rest is just games. The very livelihood of Russia is in question.
The U.S. has attacked and invaded every time it felt that gasoline supply was threatened, and it has removed government in the blink of an eye, or a year if they didn't like where that country is heading.
You are still so indoctrinated with your hate of Russia that you cannot see your own country for what it is.
The hypocrisy boggles the mind! We can do whatever we want and still think we are the good guys; Russia can take over 98% of ethnic Russian Crimea that had a referendum to leave Ukraine and be the bad guys.
The U.S. supplies and bombs former Yugoslavia to allow parts to succeed from it so they can join the U.S. influence zone. Cause... humanitarian bombings that result in NATO bases closer to Russia and the Middle East and control the whole region.
Yep, whatever we do, we be good; they be bad.
The saddest part is that they convinced you that this is for BCS we are the good guys, we are dying for liberty and freedom, (and some cheap gasoline) and yet most of us never actually see any benefits from this. We send our sons and daughters to make huge conglomerates rich! Like the ones that lived off the taxpayer's spending in Afghanistan! And you are PROUD that your kids are dying to make a rich man richer!

lol @ "we"

Russia is preparing a totally unprovoked invasion of Ukraine. There is no question who is in the right and who is in the wrong here.

You can't pretend Russia isn't the aggressor here, and 100% in the wrong.

You might be surprised that most academics in the field research the U.S. and teach the power relations and history as it truly is. Yes, good old American professors teach your kids the facts of power relations in the world. Gasp! Meaning that YOUR (mine too) country is portrayed as an Imperialist and military oppressor! For-profit.
Write a formal letter of outrage to all of us!

You’re deflecting. The argument is not about the US being an Imperialist country or not, or being good or bad (which are words only children use). The argument is whether or not one country should be allowed to invade and take over another. Generally, this is viewed as wrong in todays world. You do get that, right?

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Anonymous wrote:What has the U.S. done when its economic well-being was threatened? Every single time? What did and does it still do?

Russia's economic well being is not threatened. Neither is it's security well being. If Russia does nothing then nothing happens. The choice is entirepy Russia's.

Russia feels that positioning NATO's offensive weapons and bases in countries within the shooting range of Russia (i.e. Bulgaria & Romania) is a threat. You may argue that these things do not threaten Russia, but they feel differently.

Except neither Bulgaria nor Romania are in shooting range of Russia and neither has offensive weapons positioned there. Facts are facts.

Also, it should be pointed out that threatening to invade a third country unless NATO doesn't do what they are not doing is asinine. Not only would that bring NATO (Romania) into shooting range it would also create a reason for offensive weapons to be placed there.

Oh honey, step away from your media feed. Russia's economy depends on the gas line that goes through Ukraine. The rest is just games. The very livelihood of Russia is in question.
The U.S. has attacked and invaded every time it felt that gasoline supply was threatened, and it has removed government in the blink of an eye, or a year if they didn't like where that country is heading.
You are still so indoctrinated with your hate of Russia that you cannot see your own country for what it is.
The hypocrisy boggles the mind! We can do whatever we want and still think we are the good guys; Russia can take over 98% of ethnic Russian Crimea that had a referendum to leave Ukraine and be the bad guys.
The U.S. supplies and bombs former Yugoslavia to allow parts to succeed from it so they can join the U.S. influence zone. Cause... humanitarian bombings that result in NATO bases closer to Russia and the Middle East and control the whole region.
Yep, whatever we do, we be good; they be bad.
The saddest part is that they convinced you that this is for BCS we are the good guys, we are dying for liberty and freedom, (and some cheap gasoline) and yet most of us never actually see any benefits from this. We send our sons and daughters to make huge conglomerates rich! Like the ones that lived off the taxpayer's spending in Afghanistan! And you are PROUD that your kids are dying to make a rich man richer!

lol @ "we"

Russia is preparing a totally unprovoked invasion of Ukraine. There is no question who is in the right and who is in the wrong here.

You can't pretend Russia isn't the aggressor here, and 100% in the wrong.

You might be surprised that most academics in the field research the U.S. and teach the power relations and history as it truly is. Yes, good old American professors teach your kids the facts of power relations in the world. Gasp! Meaning that YOUR (mine too) country is portrayed as an Imperialist and military oppressor! For-profit.
Write a formal letter of outrage to all of us!

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Anonymous wrote:It amazes me that Americans - especially in the DC area - don’t seem to flow-chart that if we get into a war with Russia, it’s not going to just happen near Russia.

We live in the biggest target in the country.


You all will be as surprised as residents of Tokyo were in April of 1942 when American B-25’s dropped bombs on their city, when Russian sub-launched hypersonic (hopefully conventional ones, not nukes) missiles start dropping on various places in the DC area.

We’re not isolated here. This war, it happens, has the potential to be right in our front yards.

There's nothing we can do about that. We're not the ones threatening war. We're not going to surrender and we're not going to attack. We will defend ourselves though. The choice is entirely up to Russia. We are not the protagonist in this play. I thought Russians understood fatalism.

No one is threatening the U.S. with war.

Why did you add the "U.S." qualification? Russia is threatening war. They need to be punched in the mouth so they learn their place.

Says the soy-boy who’s never punched anyone in the mouth in his entire life.

Ever been on a battlefield? Ever been shot at? Mortared? Spent days at a time pondering if you’re still going to be alive 5 minutes from now? Used the headlamp your daughter gave you for Christmas to look for the big pieces of the guy that slept in the rack across from yours for the last six months so the stray dogs didn’t eat them?

Have you ever killed men? Men. Plural.



Your silly stupid tough talk is the blind idiocy of someone who’s never seen what happens when war happens.


People like you enrage me. If I had my way you’d be the first one down the back ramp while some Russian on the edge of the LZ was walking his DsHK in on you.




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Anonymous wrote:What has the U.S. done when its economic well-being was threatened? Every single time? What did and does it still do?

Russia's economic well being is not threatened. Neither is it's security well being. If Russia does nothing then nothing happens. The choice is entirepy Russia's.

Russia feels that positioning NATO's offensive weapons and bases in countries within the shooting range of Russia (i.e. Bulgaria & Romania) is a threat. You may argue that these things do not threaten Russia, but they feel differently.

Except neither Bulgaria nor Romania are in shooting range of Russia and neither has offensive weapons positioned there. Facts are facts.

Also, it should be pointed out that threatening to invade a third country unless NATO doesn't do what they are not doing is asinine. Not only would that bring NATO (Romania) into shooting range it would also create a reason for offensive weapons to be placed there.

Oh honey, step away from your media feed. Russia's economy depends on the gas line that goes through Ukraine. The rest is just games. The very livelihood of Russia is in question.
The U.S. has attacked and invaded every time it felt that gasoline supply was threatened, and it has removed government in the blink of an eye, or a year if they didn't like where that country is heading.
You are still so indoctrinated with your hate of Russia that you cannot see your own country for what it is.
The hypocrisy boggles the mind! We can do whatever we want and still think we are the good guys; Russia can take over 98% of ethnic Russian Crimea that had a referendum to leave Ukraine and be the bad guys.
The U.S. supplies and bombs former Yugoslavia to allow parts to succeed from it so they can join the U.S. influence zone. Cause... humanitarian bombings that result in NATO bases closer to Russia and the Middle East and control the whole region.
Yep, whatever we do, we be good; they be bad.
The saddest part is that they convinced you that this is for BCS we are the good guys, we are dying for liberty and freedom, (and some cheap gasoline) and yet most of us never actually see any benefits from this. We send our sons and daughters to make huge conglomerates rich! Like the ones that lived off the taxpayer's spending in Afghanistan! And you are PROUD that your kids are dying to make a rich man richer!

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Anonymous wrote:What has the U.S. done when its economic well-being was threatened? Every single time? What did and does it still do?

Russia's economic well being is not threatened. Neither is it's security well being. If Russia does nothing then nothing happens. The choice is entirepy Russia's.

Russia feels that positioning NATO's offensive weapons and bases in countries within the shooting range of Russia (i.e. Bulgaria & Romania) is a threat. You may argue that these things do not threaten Russia, but they feel differently.

Except neither Bulgaria nor Romania are in shooting range of Russia and neither has offensive weapons positioned there. Facts are facts.

Also, it should be pointed out that threatening to invade a third country unless NATO doesn't do what they are not doing is asinine. Not only would that bring NATO (Romania) into shooting range it would also create a reason for offensive weapons to be placed there.

Oh honey, step away from your media feed. Russia's economy depends on the gas line that goes through Ukraine. The rest is just games. The very livelihood of Russia is in question.
The U.S. has attacked and invaded every time it felt that gasoline supply was threatened, and it has removed government in the blink of an eye, or a year if they didn't like where that country is heading.
You are still so indoctrinated with your hate of Russia that you cannot see your own country for what it is.
The hypocrisy boggles the mind! We can do whatever we want and still think we are the good guys; Russia can take over 98% of ethnic Russian Crimea that had a referendum to leave Ukraine and be the bad guys.
The U.S. supplies and bombs former Yugoslavia to allow parts to succeed from it so they can join the U.S. influence zone. Cause... humanitarian bombings that result in NATO bases closer to Russia and the Middle East and control the whole region.
Yep, whatever we do, we be good; they be bad.
The saddest part is that they convinced you that this is for BCS we are the good guys, we are dying for liberty and freedom, (and some cheap gasoline) and yet most of us never actually see any benefits from this. We send our sons and daughters to make huge conglomerates rich! Like the ones that lived off the taxpayer's spending in Afghanistan! And you are PROUD that your kids are dying to make a rich man richer!

lol @ "we"

Russia is preparing a totally unprovoked invasion of Ukraine. There is no question who is in the right and who is in the wrong here.

You can't pretend Russia isn't the aggressor here, and 100% in the wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What has the U.S. done when its economic well-being was threatened? Every single time? What did and does it still do?

Russia's economic well being is not threatened. Neither is it's security well being. If Russia does nothing then nothing happens. The choice is entirepy Russia's.

Russia feels that positioning NATO's offensive weapons and bases in countries within the shooting range of Russia (i.e. Bulgaria & Romania) is a threat. You may argue that these things do not threaten Russia, but they feel differently.

Except neither Bulgaria nor Romania are in shooting range of Russia and neither has offensive weapons positioned there. Facts are facts.

Also, it should be pointed out that threatening to invade a third country unless NATO doesn't do what they are not doing is asinine. Not only would that bring NATO (Romania) into shooting range it would also create a reason for offensive weapons to be placed there.

Oh honey, step away from your media feed. Russia's economy depends on the gas line that goes through Ukraine. The rest is just games. The very livelihood of Russia is in question.
The U.S. has attacked and invaded every time it felt that gasoline supply was threatened, and it has removed government in the blink of an eye, or a year if they didn't like where that country is heading.
You are still so indoctrinated with your hate of Russia that you cannot see your own country for what it is.
The hypocrisy boggles the mind! We can do whatever we want and still think we are the good guys; Russia can take over 98% of ethnic Russian Crimea that had a referendum to leave Ukraine and be the bad guys.
The U.S. supplies and bombs former Yugoslavia to allow parts to succeed from it so they can join the U.S. influence zone. Cause... humanitarian bombings that result in NATO bases closer to Russia and the Middle East and control the whole region.
Yep, whatever we do, we be good; they be bad.
The saddest part is that they convinced you that this is for BCS we are the good guys, we are dying for liberty and freedom, (and some cheap gasoline) and yet most of us never actually see any benefits from this. We send our sons and daughters to make huge conglomerates rich! Like the ones that lived off the taxpayer's spending in Afghanistan! And you are PROUD that your kids are dying to make a rich man richer!

lol @ "we"

Russia is preparing a totally unprovoked invasion of Ukraine. There is no question who is in the right and who is in the wrong here.

You can't pretend Russia isn't the aggressor here, and 100% in the wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What has the U.S. done when its economic well-being was threatened? Every single time? What did and does it still do?

Russia's economic well being is not threatened. Neither is it's security well being. If Russia does nothing then nothing happens. The choice is entirepy Russia's.

Russia feels that positioning NATO's offensive weapons and bases in countries within the shooting range of Russia (i.e. Bulgaria & Romania) is a threat. You may argue that these things do not threaten Russia, but they feel differently.

Except neither Bulgaria nor Romania are in shooting range of Russia and neither has offensive weapons positioned there. Facts are facts.

Also, it should be pointed out that threatening to invade a third country unless NATO doesn't do what they are not doing is asinine. Not only would that bring NATO (Romania) into shooting range it would also create a reason for offensive weapons to be placed there.

Oh honey, step away from your media feed. Russia's economy depends on the gas line that goes through Ukraine. The rest is just games. The very livelihood of Russia is in question.
The U.S. has attacked and invaded every time it felt that gasoline supply was threatened, and it has removed government in the blink of an eye, or a year if they didn't like where that country is heading.
You are still so indoctrinated with your hate of Russia that you cannot see your own country for what it is.
The hypocrisy boggles the mind! We can do whatever we want and still think we are the good guys; Russia can take over 98% of ethnic Russian Crimea that had a referendum to leave Ukraine and be the bad guys.
The U.S. supplies and bombs former Yugoslavia to allow parts to succeed from it so they can join the U.S. influence zone. Cause... humanitarian bombings that result in NATO bases closer to Russia and the Middle East and control the whole region.
Yep, whatever we do, we be good; they be bad.
The saddest part is that they convinced you that this is for BCS we are the good guys, we are dying for liberty and freedom, (and some cheap gasoline) and yet most of us never actually see any benefits from this. We send our sons and daughters to make huge conglomerates rich! Like the ones that lived off the taxpayer's spending in Afghanistan! And you are PROUD that your kids are dying to make a rich man richer!