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Anonymous wrote:Childcare is work.

I don't care if women SAHM or WOHM or SAHM with a side hustle or WFH with an occasional sitter or whatever. Truly, don't care. Do what works! This whole thing is a scam for women so I will giving a standing ovation to any woman who can take the scraps our dumb society offers mothers and craft a life that makes sense for her and her family. It's hard. You work with what you have and make the best of it. I support you.

What I won't stand for is people acting like caring for children is somehow not labor. It. Is. Work. Whether you get paid or not, whether you have help or not, whether they are your kids or someone else's. It's freaking work.

We should basically be screaming CHILDCARE IS WORK everyday until the people who run this country finally understand that this is essential labor that must be done in order for literally any aspect of our economy to function, so let's stop assuming it's just some menial, meaningless task performed by bored housewives who "don't like to work" and immigrant women you want to pretend do not exist.

Childcare is work.

Thank you! Educating, caring for, and raising children is REAL, SUBSTANTIVE WORK.

This^. It’s work no matter you do it for your own family or others. Same goes for elder care, special need care and disability care. Just because caregiver is related and works for free, it doesn’t mean it’s not work. Same goes for house work as well. If all of that wasn’t work, working couples won’t be hiring others to do it for them.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: If I went back to work I could make maybe 70K. That's a tenth of what my husband makes. Based on how much stress and disruption working would cause my family, having a job would be more of a vanity project than anything. I couldn't imagine. "Honey, I know you're incredibly busy but I need you to do drop offs in the morning so I can earn money we don't need so I can show my kids that I'm an independent woman."

I do need an identity outside being a mom, but there are so many ways to do that that don't cause a bunch of stress on us. I'll be an empty nester when I'm 47 (9 years from now) so I might go back at some point but frankly I'd just feel silly doing it now.

Finally, some honesty.

Unpaid volunteer work is also work. SAHMs contribute so much to their communities, and it never gets acknowledged. Yes, I know, not every SAHM, but they are often the backbone of community service.

Good point!

Unless you are doing unpaid work, nobody owes you respect, just your wages.

Human dignity isn’t dependent on work identity, social status or bank balance.

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Anonymous wrote: If I went back to work I could make maybe 70K. That's a tenth of what my husband makes. Based on how much stress and disruption working would cause my family, having a job would be more of a vanity project than anything. I couldn't imagine. "Honey, I know you're incredibly busy but I need you to do drop offs in the morning so I can earn money we don't need so I can show my kids that I'm an independent woman."

I do need an identity outside being a mom, but there are so many ways to do that that don't cause a bunch of stress on us. I'll be an empty nester when I'm 47 (9 years from now) so I might go back at some point but frankly I'd just feel silly doing it now.

Finally, some honesty.

Unpaid volunteer work is also work. SAHMs contribute so much to their communities, and it never gets acknowledged. Yes, I know, not every SAHM, but they are often the backbone of community service.

Anonymous wrote:Childcare is work.

I don't care if women SAHM or WOHM or SAHM with a side hustle or WFH with an occasional sitter or whatever. Truly, don't care. Do what works! This whole thing is a scam for women so I will giving a standing ovation to any woman who can take the scraps our dumb society offers mothers and craft a life that makes sense for her and her family. It's hard. You work with what you have and make the best of it. I support you.

What I won't stand for is people acting like caring for children is somehow not labor. It. Is. Work. Whether you get paid or not, whether you have help or not, whether they are your kids or someone else's. It's freaking work.

We should basically be screaming CHILDCARE IS WORK everyday until the people who run this country finally understand that this is essential labor that must be done in order for literally any aspect of our economy to function, so let's stop assuming it's just some menial, meaningless task performed by bored housewives who "don't like to work" and immigrant women you want to pretend do not exist.

Childcare is work.

Thank you! Educating, caring for, and raising children is REAL, SUBSTANTIVE WORK.

Anonymous wrote:There are many many (many) SAHMs who don't work because they just don't want to and don't have to.

They may love every minute of it, they could believe in their heart of hearts it is what is best for the family, but that doesn't mean they should be any more respected for it than the person who just honestly says I hate working and I don't wanna.

Mothers that don't work and get welfare are SAHMs too. They are just vilified by society and the government. Do they stand up and demand to be respected by society? They choose not to work too.

You are one of those people who want to daycare workers and nannies to make peanuts, the type of person who pay a nanny under the table because she’s just doing a minimum wage job that any lazy woman could do. We see you. We know exactly who you are.

Anonymous wrote: If I went back to work I could make maybe 70K. That's a tenth of what my husband makes. Based on how much stress and disruption working would cause my family, having a job would be more of a vanity project than anything. I couldn't imagine. "Honey, I know you're incredibly busy but I need you to do drop offs in the morning so I can earn money we don't need so I can show my kids that I'm an independent woman."

I do need an identity outside being a mom, but there are so many ways to do that that don't cause a bunch of stress on us. I'll be an empty nester when I'm 47 (9 years from now) so I might go back at some point but frankly I'd just feel silly doing it now.

Finally, some honesty.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are many many (many) SAHMs who don't work because they just don't want to and don't have to.

They may love every minute of it, they could believe in their heart of hearts it is what is best for the family, but that doesn't mean they should be any more respected for it than the person who just honestly says I hate working and I don't wanna.

Mothers that don't work and get welfare are SAHMs too. They are just vilified by society and the government. Do they stand up and demand to be respected by society? They choose not to work too.

But why doesn’t the person who says “I hate working and I don’t want to” not deserving of respect? Just, as a human being? What’s so great about wanting to work?

And do you know any mothers who are on government assistance? I was one and I know people who are. They deserve respect too.

They absolutely deserve respect; but are not owed it by society. Just because they say they are doing it because their teenagers need them even more than when they are babies, it could just honestly be because they hate working and don't have to. I am neutral on that just like I'm neutral on the mother that has enough welfare money, who also hates working, doesn't work because she doesn't have to.

If I went back to work I could make maybe 70K. That's a tenth of what my husband makes. Based on how much stress and disruption working would cause my family, having a job would be more of a vanity project than anything. I couldn't imagine. "Honey, I know you're incredibly busy but I need you to do drop offs in the morning so I can earn money we don't need so I can show my kids that I'm an independent woman."

I do need an identity outside being a mom, but there are so many ways to do that that don't cause a bunch of stress on us. I'll be an empty nester when I'm 47 (9 years from now) so I might go back at some point but frankly I'd just feel silly doing it now.

Anonymous wrote:There are many many (many) SAHMs who don't work because they just don't want to and don't have to.

They may love every minute of it, they could believe in their heart of hearts it is what is best for the family, but that doesn't mean they should be any more respected for it than the person who just honestly says I hate working and I don't wanna.

Mothers that don't work and get welfare are SAHMs too. They are just vilified by society and the government. Do they stand up and demand to be respected by society? They choose not to work too.

Sorry, but I spent 2 years SAHMing and it is LABOR. Caring for an infant or toddler or preschooler is hard work. No one volunteers for that because they "don't like to work". If so, they will be sorely disappointed when they discover it's freaking exhausting.

People quit jobs to get an education, care for an elderly or incapacitated relative, create a business that is not yet profitable, travel, or do volunteer work. Quitting a job to SAHM is the same -- you are quitting a paid job to pursue a productive, worthwhile activity that just does not happen to pay a salary. The idea that people who are going to school, providing elder care, building a business, or volunteering just "don't want to work" is laughable, right? Well the exact same things apply to SAHMs. If you can't see that, you are engaged in some serious misogyny and devaluing of work that has traditionally been done by women.

Also, I'm all for giving single moms with kids welfare so they can care for their kids. I don't vilify anyone who is caring for their kids. I think the state should provide money to help people in this situation, as well as providing job training and subsidized childcare to help these women become self-sufficient. But I have zero problems with my tax payer dollars going to mothers of young children so they can feed and house their kids. Why would I resent that? It's probably one the most important things we can do as a society.

Lol, "SAHMs just don't want to work." Y'all are silly.

Anonymous wrote:There are many many (many) SAHMs who don't work because they just don't want to and don't have to.

They may love every minute of it, they could believe in their heart of hearts it is what is best for the family, but that doesn't mean they should be any more respected for it than the person who just honestly says I hate working and I don't wanna.

Mothers that don't work and get welfare are SAHMs too. They are just vilified by society and the government. Do they stand up and demand to be respected by society? They choose not to work too.

But why doesn’t the person who says “I hate working and I don’t want to” not deserving of respect? Just, as a human being? What’s so great about wanting to work?

And do you know any mothers who are on government assistance? I was one and I know people who are. They deserve respect too.

There are many many (many) SAHMs who don't work because they just don't want to and don't have to.

They may love every minute of it, they could believe in their heart of hearts it is what is best for the family, but that doesn't mean they should be any more respected for it than the person who just honestly says I hate working and I don't wanna.

Mothers that don't work and get welfare are SAHMs too. They are just vilified by society and the government. Do they stand up and demand to be respected by society? They choose not to work too.

Anonymous wrote:Childcare is work.

I don't care if women SAHM or WOHM or SAHM with a side hustle or WFH with an occasional sitter or whatever. Truly, don't care. Do what works! This whole thing is a scam for women so I will giving a standing ovation to any woman who can take the scraps our dumb society offers mothers and craft a life that makes sense for her and her family. It's hard. You work with what you have and make the best of it. I support you.

What I won't stand for is people acting like caring for children is somehow not labor. It. Is. Work. Whether you get paid or not, whether you have help or not, whether they are your kids or someone else's. It's freaking work.

We should basically be screaming CHILDCARE IS WORK everyday until the people who run this country finally understand that this is essential labor that must be done in order for literally any aspect of our economy to function, so let's stop assuming it's just some menial, meaningless task performed by bored housewives who "don't like to work" and immigrant women you want to pretend do not exist.

Childcare is work.

Damn straight! Pay up or be ready for Children of Men.

Childcare is work.

I don't care if women SAHM or WOHM or SAHM with a side hustle or WFH with an occasional sitter or whatever. Truly, don't care. Do what works! This whole thing is a scam for women so I will giving a standing ovation to any woman who can take the scraps our dumb society offers mothers and craft a life that makes sense for her and her family. It's hard. You work with what you have and make the best of it. I support you.

What I won't stand for is people acting like caring for children is somehow not labor. It. Is. Work. Whether you get paid or not, whether you have help or not, whether they are your kids or someone else's. It's freaking work.

We should basically be screaming CHILDCARE IS WORK everyday until the people who run this country finally understand that this is essential labor that must be done in order for literally any aspect of our economy to function, so let's stop assuming it's just some menial, meaningless task performed by bored housewives who "don't like to work" and immigrant women you want to pretend do not exist.

Childcare is work.

What about daycare workers and Nannies? Are they happy spending time with someone else’s kids for minimum wage? Specially if kids are high maintainable due to nature or medical needs.