Anonymous
12/16/2021 08:51
Subject: Athletes have such an edge
4 kids, all recruited athletes, all got into much better schools than scores would predict including Ivies. They spent just as much time and effort on their craft as a concert pianist or robotic designer. No apologies.
Anonymous
12/16/2021 08:49
Subject: Re:Athletes have such an edge
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The fundamental question is should schools have sports teams? If you answer Yes, then admissions has to show preference to athletes because of unique skill sets required and limited number of candidates.
No. No reason it can't function like public HS sports where the team is composed of students at the school...not recruited athletes. The point is healthy and learning how to play a sport and be part of a team. Not trying to win meaningless games and championships by giving valuable academic spots to athletes that are not even focused on the their academic educations
This.
How would this work? Schools are on their honor system to not look at athletic achievement? Sports by its nature is competitive and this would turn into under the table recruitment.
Anonymous
12/16/2021 08:44
Subject: Re:Athletes have such an edge
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The fundamental question is should schools have sports teams? If you answer Yes, then admissions has to show preference to athletes because of unique skill sets required and limited number of candidates.
You could also ask should schools have women. If yes then preference is shown to half of the class being women. Continuing … should the school have a band, if Yes then preference is shown to students that are good at play instruments. Etc, etc, etc.
You wonder why the 4.5 GPA kids that have spent their whole High school just focused on academics get rejected. Schools don’t want a student body of one dimensional people.
Recruit the same number of athletes as band members and you have a deal.
Band is considered a “team” and they get a certain number of scholarships just like a team.
At the Ivies? Could be true, I guess, but color me surprised.
I know a girl recruited for dance. Of course she didn’t have to dance, she could have quit but they discussed with her how it was important that the community had arts. She was on academic FA. She wanted to quit but felt it was her way of giving back.
Anonymous
12/16/2021 08:43
Subject: Re:Athletes have such an edge
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The fundamental question is should schools have sports teams? If you answer Yes, then admissions has to show preference to athletes because of unique skill sets required and limited number of candidates.
You could also ask should schools have women. If yes then preference is shown to half of the class being women. Continuing … should the school have a band, if Yes then preference is shown to students that are good at play instruments. Etc, etc, etc.
You wonder why the 4.5 GPA kids that have spent their whole High school just focused on academics get rejected. Schools don’t want a student body of one dimensional people.
Then once again: admitting athletes who haven't even applied...that's exactly what is done. And please, an application AFTER being offered admission (which is very rarely not honored), doesn't mean they really are looking at the whole student.
If you are a superstar you go where you want and when you want. Pointing out 1 out of 10,000 cases doesn’t advance your argument.
Anonymous
12/16/2021 08:40
Subject: Re:Athletes have such an edge
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The fundamental question is should schools have sports teams? If you answer Yes, then admissions has to show preference to athletes because of unique skill sets required and limited number of candidates.
No. No reason it can't function like public HS sports where the team is composed of students at the school...not recruited athletes. The point is healthy and learning how to play a sport and be part of a team. Not trying to win meaningless games and championships by giving valuable academic spots to athletes that are not even focused on the their academic educations
This.
Anonymous
12/16/2021 08:39
Subject: Re:Athletes have such an edge
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The fundamental question is should schools have sports teams? If you answer Yes, then admissions has to show preference to athletes because of unique skill sets required and limited number of candidates.
You could also ask should schools have women. If yes then preference is shown to half of the class being women. Continuing … should the school have a band, if Yes then preference is shown to students that are good at play instruments. Etc, etc, etc.
You wonder why the 4.5 GPA kids that have spent their whole High school just focused on academics get rejected. Schools don’t want a student body of one dimensional people.
Recruit the same number of athletes as band members and you have a deal.
Band is considered a “team” and they get a certain number of scholarships just like a team.
At the Ivies? Could be true, I guess, but color me surprised.
Anonymous
12/16/2021 08:37
Subject: Re:Athletes have such an edge
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The fundamental question is should schools have sports teams? If you answer Yes, then admissions has to show preference to athletes because of unique skill sets required and limited number of candidates.
You could also ask should schools have women. If yes then preference is shown to half of the class being women. Continuing … should the school have a band, if Yes then preference is shown to students that are good at play instruments. Etc, etc, etc.
You wonder why the 4.5 GPA kids that have spent their whole High school just focused on academics get rejected. Schools don’t want a student body of one dimensional people.
Then once again: admitting athletes who haven't even applied...that's exactly what is done. And please, an application AFTER being offered admission (which is very rarely not honored), doesn't mean they really are looking at the whole student.
Anonymous
12/16/2021 08:37
Subject: Re:Athletes have such an edge
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The fundamental question is should schools have sports teams? If you answer Yes, then admissions has to show preference to athletes because of unique skill sets required and limited number of candidates.
No. No reason it can't function like public HS sports where the team is composed of students at the school...not recruited athletes. The point is healthy and learning how to play a sport and be part of a team. Not trying to win meaningless games and championships by giving valuable academic spots to athletes that are not even focused on the their academic educations
Some public school recruit … like Wise.
Anonymous
12/16/2021 08:35
Subject: Re:Athletes have such an edge
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The fundamental question is should schools have sports teams? If you answer Yes, then admissions has to show preference to athletes because of unique skill sets required and limited number of candidates.
You could also ask should schools have women. If yes then preference is shown to half of the class being women. Continuing … should the school have a band, if Yes then preference is shown to students that are good at play instruments. Etc, etc, etc.
You wonder why the 4.5 GPA kids that have spent their whole High school just focused on academics get rejected. Schools don’t want a student body of one dimensional people.
Recruit the same number of athletes as band members and you have a deal.
Band is considered a “team” and they get a certain number of scholarships just like a team.
Anonymous
12/16/2021 08:29
Subject: Re:Athletes have such an edge
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The fundamental question is should schools have sports teams? If you answer Yes, then admissions has to show preference to athletes because of unique skill sets required and limited number of candidates.
You could also ask should schools have women. If yes then preference is shown to half of the class being women. Continuing … should the school have a band, if Yes then preference is shown to students that are good at play instruments. Etc, etc, etc.
You wonder why the 4.5 GPA kids that have spent their whole High school just focused on academics get rejected. Schools don’t want a student body of one dimensional people.
Recruit the same number of athletes as band members and you have a deal.
Anonymous
12/16/2021 08:28
Subject: Re:Athletes have such an edge
Anonymous wrote:The fundamental question is should schools have sports teams? If you answer Yes, then admissions has to show preference to athletes because of unique skill sets required and limited number of candidates.
No. No reason it can't function like public HS sports where the team is composed of students at the school...not recruited athletes. The point is healthy and learning how to play a sport and be part of a team. Not trying to win meaningless games and championships by giving valuable academic spots to athletes that are not even focused on the their academic educations
Anonymous
12/16/2021 08:25
Subject: Re:Athletes have such an edge
Anonymous wrote:The fundamental question is should schools have sports teams? If you answer Yes, then admissions has to show preference to athletes because of unique skill sets required and limited number of candidates.
You could also ask should schools have women. If yes then preference is shown to half of the class being women. Continuing … should the school have a band, if Yes then preference is shown to students that are good at play instruments. Etc, etc, etc.
You wonder why the 4.5 GPA kids that have spent their whole High school just focused on academics get rejected. Schools don’t want a student body of one dimensional people.
Anonymous
12/16/2021 08:17
Subject: Re:Athletes have such an edge
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you are talking about all sport like lacrosse or crew or field hockey, these recruits statistically will presumptively be successful in their chosen careers.
What a flimsy statement. I am sure kids who play lacrosse or crew are disproportionately from wealthy families and have grown up with lots of opportunities. They aren’t successful because of their sport. (Not even getting to what is the definition of success and what stats are you using).
Yes, OP, I find colleges favoritism to atheists to be so bizarre and frustrating. College is not an athletic endeavor.
Athletics help fund most of the fancy buildings your studious kids study in.
This is incorrect and profoundly stupid if you know even a bit about university funding.
Please spell it out for us. (Seriously.)
Anonymous
12/16/2021 08:15
Subject: Re:Athletes have such an edge
The fundamental question is should schools have sports teams? If you answer Yes, then admissions has to show preference to athletes because of unique skill sets required and limited number of candidates.
Anonymous
12/16/2021 08:15
Subject: Re:Athletes have such an edge
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you are talking about all sport like lacrosse or crew or field hockey, these recruits statistically will presumptively be successful in their chosen careers.
What a flimsy statement. I am sure kids who play lacrosse or crew are disproportionately from wealthy families and have grown up with lots of opportunities. They aren’t successful because of their sport. (Not even getting to what is the definition of success and what stats are you using).
Yes, OP, I find colleges favoritism to atheists to be so bizarre and frustrating. College is not an athletic endeavor.
Athletics help fund most of the fancy buildings your studious kids study in.
NP
Source for this claim?