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Anonymous wrote:^ it wasn’t Baldwin at fault. It was the employee that gave him a loaded gun telling him it was a cold gun(clear of ammo). That’s the one negligent.

It’s the responsibility of the person holding the gun to make sure it is not loaded. Period.

+1 I wonder if Baldwin had taken any gun safety courses (I’m betting no)

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Anonymous wrote:^ it wasn’t Baldwin at fault. It was the employee that gave him a loaded gun telling him it was a cold gun(clear of ammo). That’s the one negligent.

It’s the responsibility of the person holding the gun to make sure it is not loaded. Period.

So what is the weapons person’s job or should the actor micro manage every aspect of the shoot?

Anonymous wrote:^ it wasn’t Baldwin at fault. It was the employee that gave him a loaded gun telling him it was a cold gun(clear of ammo). That’s the one negligent.

It’s the responsibility of the person holding the gun to make sure it is not loaded. Period.

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Anonymous wrote:Long work hours aren't unsafe, and not getting put up in Santa Fe hotels isn't unsafe.

Filming during covid is stressful and unfun but still happening. What happened is that someone made a mistake. Whether it was the head armorer or someone else will be determined.

^ Typed by a lazy loser who has never worked a long day in their life. Get bent you worthless jerk.

Filming involves long hours. And living in the West involves lots of driving. Santa Fe isn't Taos but it's still $$$$.

There are always massive problems during shooting. Usually, people do their jobs effectively enough for people not to die. Not this time though.

Are you the one hoping that Baldwin is charged with manslaughter?

No. I’m a member of the IA that drove 70 miles to set yesterday.

I am so sorry. What happened out there was unacceptable. Sending solidarity your way. -AFT member

Thank you. I’m currently working in the Midwest under a standard area agreement. We had a head on collision on second unit a few weeks ago. BG was in the car. No one can explain why BG was in the car. We had a teenager with a head injury for what? There doesn’t seem to have been any thing done about it. The industry has been a slow moving train wreck for a while now.

It’s why kids are taught not to play with guns.

And we teach ours gun safety when with uncle that is a sportsman. He is very serious about gun safety measures and a few family members have been banned from going out because they are too negligent.

^ it wasn’t Baldwin at fault. It was the employee that gave him a loaded gun telling him it was a cold gun(clear of ammo). That’s the one negligent.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Long work hours aren't unsafe, and not getting put up in Santa Fe hotels isn't unsafe.

Filming during covid is stressful and unfun but still happening. What happened is that someone made a mistake. Whether it was the head armorer or someone else will be determined.

^ Typed by a lazy loser who has never worked a long day in their life. Get bent you worthless jerk.

Filming involves long hours. And living in the West involves lots of driving. Santa Fe isn't Taos but it's still $$$$.

There are always massive problems during shooting. Usually, people do their jobs effectively enough for people not to die. Not this time though.

Are you the one hoping that Baldwin is charged with manslaughter?

No. I’m a member of the IA that drove 70 miles to set yesterday.

I am so sorry. What happened out there was unacceptable. Sending solidarity your way. -AFT member

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Anonymous wrote:You can get very inexpensive accommodations in Santa Fe, especially if booking off season (now) and in bulk. The production was being cheap and irresponsible in refusing to provide accommodations closer to set when so many shoots were running late into the night. That’s just bad management, full stop. About what you would expect from a non-union production that was cutting every corner.

Exactly. Unions exist for a reason. I can’t believe there are so many anti-union, anti-worker posts here. Go back and read Sinclair’s The Jungle.

The closer posters identify with management, the more they dislike unions.

And regulations.

This tragedy could have been avoided if REGULATIONS had been in effect, and the qualified union workers were in place.

Those things cost money, but you are buying something. Something greedy owners tend to undervalue: worker safeguards.

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Anonymous wrote:You can get very inexpensive accommodations in Santa Fe, especially if booking off season (now) and in bulk. The production was being cheap and irresponsible in refusing to provide accommodations closer to set when so many shoots were running late into the night. That’s just bad management, full stop. About what you would expect from a non-union production that was cutting every corner.

But was it a non union production? I’d like to know what contract they were working under.

That’s still unclear. It sounds like there was a mix of Union and non-Union labor even before some union members quit the set. That’s not unusual for a shoot in a place like NM— they don’t require union labor as California does, but the film industry is established enough there that it would be hard to impossible to staff a set entirely with non-union labor (and you would not want to).

It definitely sounds like it was precisely the kind of poorly run set that IATSE is specifically trying to get addressed with their recent demands. This is precisely why IATSE is raising issues of workplace safety— because productions that are not committed to workplace safety and motivated strongly by keeping costs low will cut corners on everything from accommodations to crew staffing (did I read that the production didn’t even have a prop master, on a set using live rounds? Wth?) and it puts everyone at risk.

Something that makes me sick is that I wonder if scrutiny would be so high right now if the person who died had been a gaffer or cameraman, instead of the cinematographer. People are so dismissive of crew safety in this industry. Often the assumption is that these jobs carry inherent risk that is no big deal, which is offensive and dangerous. No one should ever have to risk their life to get a movie made. No one.

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Anonymous wrote:You can get very inexpensive accommodations in Santa Fe, especially if booking off season (now) and in bulk. The production was being cheap and irresponsible in refusing to provide accommodations closer to set when so many shoots were running late into the night. That’s just bad management, full stop. About what you would expect from a non-union production that was cutting every corner.

Exactly. Unions exist for a reason. I can’t believe there are so many anti-union, anti-worker posts here. Go back and read Sinclair’s The Jungle.

Who is anti-union? The union people left, either voluntarily or involuntarily.

I guess that should have been the end of the movie, at that point? Just stop filming and fire everyone, move on? Preferably, they could have come to an agreement before the walk-out or firing (I've seen both in different reports). But they didn't. So this wasn't the union's fault, their hands are clean, in a certain light.

There are posters up thread claiming they shouldn’t have walked off, shouldnt have complained about the lack of accomodations, safety measures not being recognized, etc. The fact that the production wasn’t respecting the contract and workers walked out as a result really illustrates the importance of unions on set and how hiring non-union workers made the production less safe as a result.

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Anonymous wrote:You can get very inexpensive accommodations in Santa Fe, especially if booking off season (now) and in bulk. The production was being cheap and irresponsible in refusing to provide accommodations closer to set when so many shoots were running late into the night. That’s just bad management, full stop. About what you would expect from a non-union production that was cutting every corner.

Exactly. Unions exist for a reason. I can’t believe there are so many anti-union, anti-worker posts here. Go back and read Sinclair’s The Jungle.

Who is anti-union? The union people left, either voluntarily or involuntarily.

I guess that should have been the end of the movie, at that point? Just stop filming and fire everyone, move on? Preferably, they could have come to an agreement before the walk-out or firing (I've seen both in different reports). But they didn't. So this wasn't the union's fault, their hands are clean, in a certain light.

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Anonymous wrote:You can get very inexpensive accommodations in Santa Fe, especially if booking off season (now) and in bulk. The production was being cheap and irresponsible in refusing to provide accommodations closer to set when so many shoots were running late into the night. That’s just bad management, full stop. About what you would expect from a non-union production that was cutting every corner.

But was it a non union production? I’d like to know what contract they were working under.

They were union until the union complained and walked out/were fired.

The armorer on the day of the death was not union. Or maybe a different chapter.

Anonymous wrote:You can get very inexpensive accommodations in Santa Fe, especially if booking off season (now) and in bulk. The production was being cheap and irresponsible in refusing to provide accommodations closer to set when so many shoots were running late into the night. That’s just bad management, full stop. About what you would expect from a non-union production that was cutting every corner.

But was it a non union production? I’d like to know what contract they were working under.

Anonymous wrote:You can get very inexpensive accommodations in Santa Fe, especially if booking off season (now) and in bulk. The production was being cheap and irresponsible in refusing to provide accommodations closer to set when so many shoots were running late into the night. That’s just bad management, full stop. About what you would expect from a non-union production that was cutting every corner.

Exactly. Unions exist for a reason. I can’t believe there are so many anti-union, anti-worker posts here. Go back and read Sinclair’s The Jungle.

You can get very inexpensive accommodations in Santa Fe, especially if booking off season (now) and in bulk. The production was being cheap and irresponsible in refusing to provide accommodations closer to set when so many shoots were running late into the night. That’s just bad management, full stop. About what you would expect from a non-union production that was cutting every corner.