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Anonymous wrote:I'm so glad we bit the bullet at the start if the 2020 school year and enrolled our kids in an independent school that was open 5 days a week without a single interruption. The sky did not fall and nobody died and for the majority of the school year the entire school was unvaccinated.

We have none of these learning or behavioral problems you all are describing. Love our bubble. Love my kids being in school with families who are not neurotic freaks.

??? Many of us would have loved to have done this but could not/cannot afford it. Thanks for being an a$$hole though.

Meh. Many people sacrifice to get their kids into independent schools. Also, they don't all cost $50K/year.

Well we aren’t all comfortable with Catholic or evangelical Christian either, and those are the ones that are cheaper. How’s the view up there on your high horse?

Nobody said religious school. Many parochial schools were hybrid, half as bad as the publics.

Well I have 3 kids and could probably scrape together $10k per year per kid. That is not going to get me anything non-religious.

Possibly some alternative independent schools such as Waldorf ? That is one weird sliding scale though ..,

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Anonymous wrote:Fine none of them have ADHD. You are missing the point. It’s way worse than was expected. And nothing like first graders pre Covid. And the deficiency is worse than in other grades. It’s just interesting.

Wow you guys are a prickly bunch. No wonder there is a sub shortage? Who wouldn’t want to deal with that for $15/hour?

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Thank you for subbing - thankless job but much needed.

I take your point - it is bad enough with MS aged kids but it must have been a nightmare for parents of younger kids and teachers now they have returned to school in person. It is hard to catch up after the long summers here - but 18 months?

Best wish s for an upward growth curve in your students.

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Anonymous wrote:The first graders are going to be fine. Yes, last year sucked but catching up K and 1st grade work isn’t going to be a big problem. I’m thankful I didn’t have an older child that was missing more advanced classes.

-parent of a 1st grader

The older kids are fine. Their teachers actually taught their full curriculum last year. And they already know how to function in a school environment.

Lmao! No one taught or learned the “full curriculum” last year, and no one learned anything for the last 1/3rd of 2020. No grade is fine.

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My 8th grader is 100% fine, not behind, not struggling.

My 6th grade DD is 100% fine academically as well. It's been a rough transition for the whole school behaviorally, per the principal.

Yeah. Its sad when the discipline of the children is left up to the parents for 18 months, and this is the result. Previous generations of parents at least had behavioral expectations for their kids, and would have been upset at the child if they misbehaved at school, rather than blame the school.

Look, I had a full-time nanny and kids who did in-person school all of last year, but I'm also not obtuse or rude enough to now acknowledge that many people struggled with having their kids home last year and many people cut corners in various areas just to survive. Blasting parents for not doing a better job disciplining their children last year is disgusting, and you should be ashamed of yourself.

The lack of parental discipline in this country, both pre and post Covid, is what parents should be ashamed of. It’s appalling.

I agree that the lack of discipline is shameful, but Covid was a different story. Parents were tasked with educating and disciplining their children while also performing full time jobs. It was quite literally an impossible task.

I had a fulltime nanny/housekeeper AND hired a full-time tutor. It was still hard.

Our first grade teacher basically confirmed what we suspected. Kids are surprisingly on track/ahead of grade level academically, but really socially stunted. She thinks they’re mostly at a K level with a handful of outliers.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm so glad we bit the bullet at the start if the 2020 school year and enrolled our kids in an independent school that was open 5 days a week without a single interruption. The sky did not fall and nobody died and for the majority of the school year the entire school was unvaccinated.

We have none of these learning or behavioral problems you all are describing. Love our bubble. Love my kids being in school with families who are not neurotic freaks.

??? Many of us would have loved to have done this but could not/cannot afford it. Thanks for being an a$$hole though.

Meh. Many people sacrifice to get their kids into independent schools. Also, they don't all cost $50K/year.

Well we aren’t all comfortable with Catholic or evangelical Christian either, and those are the ones that are cheaper. How’s the view up there on your high horse?

Nobody said religious school. Many parochial schools were hybrid, half as bad as the publics.

Yes, and for those of us who can’t really even afford the tuition at such a school, “sacrificing” only to have the school go hybrid or pushing us into constant quarantine is not an option.

The idea that all parents had the option to send their child to in-person school last year if they had only been willing to sacrifice more is absurd. It was the same conversation around childcare. “Just get a nanny” as though that’s accessible to all families.

We screwed over families and specifically, children, last year. Full stop. And over and over again, we’ve seen that open schools does not lead to uncontrolled viral spread, or dead kids (or dead teachers). People keep saying it does but over and over, all around the world, we have seen it does not.

But closed schools result in learning loss, increased inequity, behavioral issues, mental health issues, family dysfunction. The OP isn’t the only one making these observations.

Actually we’ve seen over and over all over the world that open schools without significant mitigation measures like masking, contract tracing, vaccination, distancing, airflow changes, etc does lead to spread, quarantine, and death. The reason we’re not seeing that here is because of the high rate of teachers vaccination, mask requirements in schools, and an over abundance of well off people who are able to access good healthcare normally including testing for Covid to help limit spread.

That’s not to say that schools shouldn’t be open, but we shouldn’t minimize what’s its costing in term of dollars, people, stress, and virus management hours to keep this under control.

No, we actually haven’t seen that. Please post data if you want to be taken seriously.

NP, but they're correct. Here's one ref, but there are plenty of other studies out there too.
https://www.pnas.org/content/118/42/e2103420118

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Anonymous wrote:I'm so glad we bit the bullet at the start if the 2020 school year and enrolled our kids in an independent school that was open 5 days a week without a single interruption. The sky did not fall and nobody died and for the majority of the school year the entire school was unvaccinated.

We have none of these learning or behavioral problems you all are describing. Love our bubble. Love my kids being in school with families who are not neurotic freaks.

??? Many of us would have loved to have done this but could not/cannot afford it. Thanks for being an a$$hole though.

Meh. Many people sacrifice to get their kids into independent schools. Also, they don't all cost $50K/year.

Well we aren’t all comfortable with Catholic or evangelical Christian either, and those are the ones that are cheaper. How’s the view up there on your high horse?

Nobody said religious school. Many parochial schools were hybrid, half as bad as the publics.

Yes, and for those of us who can’t really even afford the tuition at such a school, “sacrificing” only to have the school go hybrid or pushing us into constant quarantine is not an option.

The idea that all parents had the option to send their child to in-person school last year if they had only been willing to sacrifice more is absurd. It was the same conversation around childcare. “Just get a nanny” as though that’s accessible to all families.

We screwed over families and specifically, children, last year. Full stop. And over and over again, we’ve seen that open schools does not lead to uncontrolled viral spread, or dead kids (or dead teachers). People keep saying it does but over and over, all around the world, we have seen it does not.

But closed schools result in learning loss, increased inequity, behavioral issues, mental health issues, family dysfunction. The OP isn’t the only one making these observations.

Actually we’ve seen over and over all over the world that open schools without significant mitigation measures like masking, contract tracing, vaccination, distancing, airflow changes, etc does lead to spread, quarantine, and death. The reason we’re not seeing that here is because of the high rate of teachers vaccination, mask requirements in schools, and an over abundance of well off people who are able to access good healthcare normally including testing for Covid to help limit spread.

That’s not to say that schools shouldn’t be open, but we shouldn’t minimize what’s its costing in term of dollars, people, stress, and virus management hours to keep this under control.

No, we actually haven’t seen that. Please post data if you want to be taken seriously.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm so glad we bit the bullet at the start if the 2020 school year and enrolled our kids in an independent school that was open 5 days a week without a single interruption. The sky did not fall and nobody died and for the majority of the school year the entire school was unvaccinated.

We have none of these learning or behavioral problems you all are describing. Love our bubble. Love my kids being in school with families who are not neurotic freaks.

??? Many of us would have loved to have done this but could not/cannot afford it. Thanks for being an a$$hole though.

Meh. Many people sacrifice to get their kids into independent schools. Also, they don't all cost $50K/year.

Well we aren’t all comfortable with Catholic or evangelical Christian either, and those are the ones that are cheaper. How’s the view up there on your high horse?

Nobody said religious school. Many parochial schools were hybrid, half as bad as the publics.

Yes, and for those of us who can’t really even afford the tuition at such a school, “sacrificing” only to have the school go hybrid or pushing us into constant quarantine is not an option.

The idea that all parents had the option to send their child to in-person school last year if they had only been willing to sacrifice more is absurd. It was the same conversation around childcare. “Just get a nanny” as though that’s accessible to all families.

We screwed over families and specifically, children, last year. Full stop. And over and over again, we’ve seen that open schools does not lead to uncontrolled viral spread, or dead kids (or dead teachers). People keep saying it does but over and over, all around the world, we have seen it does not.

But closed schools result in learning loss, increased inequity, behavioral issues, mental health issues, family dysfunction. The OP isn’t the only one making these observations.

Actually we’ve seen over and over all over the world that open schools without significant mitigation measures like masking, contract tracing, vaccination, distancing, airflow changes, etc does lead to spread, quarantine, and death. The reason we’re not seeing that here is because of the high rate of teachers vaccination, mask requirements in schools, and an over abundance of well off people who are able to access good healthcare normally including testing for Covid to help limit spread.

That’s not to say that schools shouldn’t be open, but we shouldn’t minimize what’s its costing in term of dollars, people, stress, and virus management hours to keep this under control.

actually no we have not seen that. most kids get covid at home, not school.

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Anonymous wrote:The first graders are going to be fine. Yes, last year sucked but catching up K and 1st grade work isn’t going to be a big problem. I’m thankful I didn’t have an older child that was missing more advanced classes.

-parent of a 1st grader

The older kids are fine. Their teachers actually taught their full curriculum last year. And they already know how to function in a school environment.

Lmao! No one taught or learned the “full curriculum” last year, and no one learned anything for the last 1/3rd of 2020. No grade is fine.

My 8th grader is 100% fine, not behind, not struggling.

My 6th grade DD is 100% fine academically as well. It's been a rough transition for the whole school behaviorally, per the principal.

Yeah. Its sad when the discipline of the children is left up to the parents for 18 months, and this is the result. Previous generations of parents at least had behavioral expectations for their kids, and would have been upset at the child if they misbehaved at school, rather than blame the school.

Look, I had a full-time nanny and kids who did in-person school all of last year, but I'm also not obtuse or rude enough to now acknowledge that many people struggled with having their kids home last year and many people cut corners in various areas just to survive. Blasting parents for not doing a better job disciplining their children last year is disgusting, and you should be ashamed of yourself.

The lack of parental discipline in this country, both pre and post Covid, is what parents should be ashamed of. It’s appalling.

I agree. My kid is in K and his reports (and my own observations at our playground) of 5-7 year olds hitting, pushing and saying things like "I'm going to punch you if you don't do xyz" are absolutely mind boggling.

Oh honey, this is not new in the past 20 years. This has been happening for as long as kids have been kids.

Yeah, I get bullying happens but this is more kids than not. My son isn't even the one the behavior is directed to, for the most part. We just moved to this neighborhood and at first I thought how wonderful that there's all these kids my son's age at the playground. I am one of the only SAHM at the playground so I see what goes on. The rest of the kids are there with nannies who aren't paying any attention, and it shows. There's no way 3 "nice" kids out of 10 is typical.

Oh, it’s completely typical. You mention yourself that the Nanny is!’t paying attention, so what makes you think the parents are instilling more discipline than them. Throw in a small sense of entitlement and there you have it. Parents thinks its fine and kids will grow out of it until they start to realize there are other kids capable of acting much better or until teachers start gently mentioning it in school. Kids think its completely normal until they get to preschool and kindergarten and a) they realize that pool of friends a lot bigger, b) they may not be the biggest and baddest kid on the block anymore, c) they are oitside of their comfort zone including the kids, and d) their behavior isn’t going to be tolerated anymore and teachers start calling them on it (albeit gently).

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Anonymous wrote:I'm so glad we bit the bullet at the start if the 2020 school year and enrolled our kids in an independent school that was open 5 days a week without a single interruption. The sky did not fall and nobody died and for the majority of the school year the entire school was unvaccinated.

We have none of these learning or behavioral problems you all are describing. Love our bubble. Love my kids being in school with families who are not neurotic freaks.

??? Many of us would have loved to have done this but could not/cannot afford it. Thanks for being an a$$hole though.

Meh. Many people sacrifice to get their kids into independent schools. Also, they don't all cost $50K/year.

Well we aren’t all comfortable with Catholic or evangelical Christian either, and those are the ones that are cheaper. How’s the view up there on your high horse?

Nobody said religious school. Many parochial schools were hybrid, half as bad as the publics.

Yes, and for those of us who can’t really even afford the tuition at such a school, “sacrificing” only to have the school go hybrid or pushing us into constant quarantine is not an option.

The idea that all parents had the option to send their child to in-person school last year if they had only been willing to sacrifice more is absurd. It was the same conversation around childcare. “Just get a nanny” as though that’s accessible to all families.

We screwed over families and specifically, children, last year. Full stop. And over and over again, we’ve seen that open schools does not lead to uncontrolled viral spread, or dead kids (or dead teachers). People keep saying it does but over and over, all around the world, we have seen it does not.

But closed schools result in learning loss, increased inequity, behavioral issues, mental health issues, family dysfunction. The OP isn’t the only one making these observations.

Actually we’ve seen over and over all over the world that open schools without significant mitigation measures like masking, contract tracing, vaccination, distancing, airflow changes, etc does lead to spread, quarantine, and death. The reason we’re not seeing that here is because of the high rate of teachers vaccination, mask requirements in schools, and an over abundance of well off people who are able to access good healthcare normally including testing for Covid to help limit spread.

That’s not to say that schools shouldn’t be open, but we shouldn’t minimize what’s its costing in term of dollars, people, stress, and virus management hours to keep this under control.

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Anonymous wrote:How long will we need to put up with the bad behavior of these kids due to Covid? How would you feel if your kid didn't learn anything day after day due to these extreme behaviors? There are a few classrooms in my school where teachers need to evacuate the classroom daily due to the behavior of a few students. How long would you extend grace to those kids when your kid misses math every day because the kid trashes the classroom after recess?

Gee, if I knew kids were struggling that much, I’d do what I could to get them the help they need. Because they’re children. And it’s not all about me.

Talk is cheap. NP.

Though, the situation that PP describes is somewhat fantastical

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Anonymous wrote:The first graders are going to be fine. Yes, last year sucked but catching up K and 1st grade work isn’t going to be a big problem. I’m thankful I didn’t have an older child that was missing more advanced classes.

-parent of a 1st grader

The older kids are fine. Their teachers actually taught their full curriculum last year. And they already know how to function in a school environment.

Lmao! No one taught or learned the “full curriculum” last year, and no one learned anything for the last 1/3rd of 2020. No grade is fine.

My 8th grader is 100% fine, not behind, not struggling.

My 6th grade DD is 100% fine academically as well. It's been a rough transition for the whole school behaviorally, per the principal.

Yeah. Its sad when the discipline of the children is left up to the parents for 18 months, and this is the result. Previous generations of parents at least had behavioral expectations for their kids, and would have been upset at the child if they misbehaved at school, rather than blame the school.

Look, I had a full-time nanny and kids who did in-person school all of last year, but I'm also not obtuse or rude enough to now acknowledge that many people struggled with having their kids home last year and many people cut corners in various areas just to survive. Blasting parents for not doing a better job disciplining their children last year is disgusting, and you should be ashamed of yourself.

The lack of parental discipline in this country, both pre and post Covid, is what parents should be ashamed of. It’s appalling.

I agree. My kid is in K and his reports (and my own observations at our playground) of 5-7 year olds hitting, pushing and saying things like "I'm going to punch you if you don't do xyz" are absolutely mind boggling.

Oh honey, this is not new in the past 20 years. This has been happening for as long as kids have been kids.

Yeah, I get bullying happens but this is more kids than not. My son isn't even the one the behavior is directed to, for the most part. We just moved to this neighborhood and at first I thought how wonderful that there's all these kids my son's age at the playground. I am one of the only SAHM at the playground so I see what goes on. The rest of the kids are there with nannies who aren't paying any attention, and it shows. There's no way 3 "nice" kids out of 10 is typical.

We are not seeing this. We did at home school for the first half of last year and hybrid for the second half. My first and 5th grader are doing fine as are all of their classmates. The school has expressed no concerns for any delays and if anything my daughter is reading at a higher level than her brother was at that age.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm so glad we bit the bullet at the start if the 2020 school year and enrolled our kids in an independent school that was open 5 days a week without a single interruption. The sky did not fall and nobody died and for the majority of the school year the entire school was unvaccinated.

We have none of these learning or behavioral problems you all are describing. Love our bubble. Love my kids being in school with families who are not neurotic freaks.

??? Many of us would have loved to have done this but could not/cannot afford it. Thanks for being an a$$hole though.

Meh. Many people sacrifice to get their kids into independent schools. Also, they don't all cost $50K/year.

Well we aren’t all comfortable with Catholic or evangelical Christian either, and those are the ones that are cheaper. How’s the view up there on your high horse?

Nobody said religious school. Many parochial schools were hybrid, half as bad as the publics.

Yes, and for those of us who can’t really even afford the tuition at such a school, “sacrificing” only to have the school go hybrid or pushing us into constant quarantine is not an option.

The idea that all parents had the option to send their child to in-person school last year if they had only been willing to sacrifice more is absurd. It was the same conversation around childcare. “Just get a nanny” as though that’s accessible to all families.

We screwed over families and specifically, children, last year. Full stop. And over and over again, we’ve seen that open schools does not lead to uncontrolled viral spread, or dead kids (or dead teachers). People keep saying it does but over and over, all around the world, we have seen it does not.

But closed schools result in learning loss, increased inequity, behavioral issues, mental health issues, family dysfunction. The OP isn’t the only one making these observations.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm so glad we bit the bullet at the start if the 2020 school year and enrolled our kids in an independent school that was open 5 days a week without a single interruption. The sky did not fall and nobody died and for the majority of the school year the entire school was unvaccinated.

We have none of these learning or behavioral problems you all are describing. Love our bubble. Love my kids being in school with families who are not neurotic freaks.

??? Many of us would have loved to have done this but could not/cannot afford it. Thanks for being an a$$hole though.

Meh. Many people sacrifice to get their kids into independent schools. Also, they don't all cost $50K/year.

Well we aren’t all comfortable with Catholic or evangelical Christian either, and those are the ones that are cheaper. How’s the view up there on your high horse?

Nobody said religious school. Many parochial schools were hybrid, half as bad as the publics.

Well I have 3 kids and could probably scrape together $10k per year per kid. That is not going to get me anything non-religious.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm so glad we bit the bullet at the start if the 2020 school year and enrolled our kids in an independent school that was open 5 days a week without a single interruption. The sky did not fall and nobody died and for the majority of the school year the entire school was unvaccinated.

We have none of these learning or behavioral problems you all are describing. Love our bubble. Love my kids being in school with families who are not neurotic freaks.

??? Many of us would have loved to have done this but could not/cannot afford it. Thanks for being an a$$hole though.

Meh. Many people sacrifice to get their kids into independent schools. Also, they don't all cost $50K/year.

Well we aren’t all comfortable with Catholic or evangelical Christian either, and those are the ones that are cheaper. How’s the view up there on your high horse?

Nobody said religious school. Many parochial schools were hybrid, half as bad as the publics.