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Anonymous wrote:This is a spin-off of another thread where a late 30s woman was asking how to meet men, and of course mentions the “well-educated” criterion multiple times.

I just don’t get this. And I should preface this by saying I’m a guy with an Ivy degree. But would you ladies not consider someone who owns his own construction business or a few Subway franchises and earns $150,000 per year? (Or we could make it 15 Subway franchises and an income of $600,000 if that is your requirement.) This is not about income – that part I understand.

But why the obsession with “well-educated” men? Do you not understand that for many people, going to college/graduate school is a terrible life decision? I mean, there was a recent article about NYU film grads coming out of the Master’s program with $30,000/year jobs and $250,000 in debt. Surely women in their late 30s recognize that the dating market is not skewed in their favor. Why add yet *another* filter that further winnows down your available options?

Which other traits would you them rather be obsessed with? Looks? Wealth? Cooking skills? Tennis expertise? Character?

Owning libs.

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t matter. The type of men that these women want - tall, educated, money, etc., make up about 20% of men. These men have options and are less likely to settle down or settle with one of them. This is why women have so many issues getting married. Many bring nothing or very little to the table but expect the most. If you’re a man who is in the top 20%, you better be a 10 across the board. You can’t be average looking woman electing that caliber of a man.

Women these days days are more masculine than every. They don’t cook, don’t clean, don’t want to raise their kids, don’t want to have sex often, and don’t want to keep up with their looks. Why would a man who is a high caliber man settle for that? Any man in general for that instance. This is why men don’t want to get married. You give them half your money and provide for them with little or nothing in return.

It’s almost like the incel parts of the internet disable Google.

The more educated you are the more likely you will marry. The wealthier you are, the more likely it is you will marry.

And you’re telling on yourself when you say not having sex often is a male trait. Only among you and your “friends” my dude.

I’m a woman and this is the truth. I’m not a man. I know so many women who want a man over 6ft, makes 6 figures or more, attractive with a good body and all his hair, etc., but they bring nothing to the table. I know several women who don’t cook, don’t clean, and have abandoned many feminine traits. Then you all wonder why you’re 35 with no kids and no man who wants you.

Hmm. I thought you were an incel too, but I guess you're a Christian Boomer.

You just don’t like being confronted with the truth.

Ha. For starters I have been married to a great man for 15 years and I’m 39. I would never have dreamed cooking or cleaning for him when we were dating or engaged. My only “feminine trait” I have is my appearance and I sure as heck didn’t dress or act feminine to get a man. You’d probably think I brought nothing to the table. And yet I am happily married to a man who met my standards. In fact I’m probably happily married *because* he met my standards.

But go on about how women should do free cooking and cleaning for the privilege of marrying a guy they don’t really want.

You’re his beard.

You sound bitter. Is it because you couldn’t find a tall, handsome, successful man to marry, or because you aren’t one yourself?

dp height doesn't always make someone handsome. Plenty of short men who are handsome...Jeremy Jordan for one!

I’m the PP who was accused of being a beard (😂😂) and my husband actually is short. “Tall” wasn’t one of my standards. A college degree at a minimum? Absolutely. It wouldn’t have mattered how kind or dedicated a man was (those things are a bare minimum!); if he wasn’t interested in formal education I wouldn’t have considered him. I wanted a man who was just as educated and ambitious as I was. And taller, ha, he’s short but he still has six inches on me.

Sure we aren’t likely to get *everything* we want, but that doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t recognize that getting rid of all your standards except the bare minimum is a good idea. Being single is way better than being in an unsatisfying marriage.

Anonymous wrote:This is a spin-off of another thread where a late 30s woman was asking how to meet men, and of course mentions the “well-educated” criterion multiple times.

I just don’t get this. And I should preface this by saying I’m a guy with an Ivy degree. But would you ladies not consider someone who owns his own construction business or a few Subway franchises and earns $150,000 per year? (Or we could make it 15 Subway franchises and an income of $600,000 if that is your requirement.) This is not about income – that part I understand.

But why the obsession with “well-educated” men? Do you not understand that for many people, going to college/graduate school is a terrible life decision? I mean, there was a recent article about NYU film grads coming out of the Master’s program with $30,000/year jobs and $250,000 in debt. Surely women in their late 30s recognize that the dating market is not skewed in their favor. Why add yet *another* filter that further winnows down your available options?

Which other traits would you them rather be obsessed with? Looks? Wealth? Cooking skills? Tennis expertise? Character?

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t matter. The type of men that these women want - tall, educated, money, etc., make up about 20% of men. These men have options and are less likely to settle down or settle with one of them. This is why women have so many issues getting married. Many bring nothing or very little to the table but expect the most. If you’re a man who is in the top 20%, you better be a 10 across the board. You can’t be average looking woman electing that caliber of a man.

Women these days days are more masculine than every. They don’t cook, don’t clean, don’t want to raise their kids, don’t want to have sex often, and don’t want to keep up with their looks. Why would a man who is a high caliber man settle for that? Any man in general for that instance. This is why men don’t want to get married. You give them half your money and provide for them with little or nothing in return.

It’s almost like the incel parts of the internet disable Google.

The more educated you are the more likely you will marry. The wealthier you are, the more likely it is you will marry.

And you’re telling on yourself when you say not having sex often is a male trait. Only among you and your “friends” my dude.

I’m a woman and this is the truth. I’m not a man. I know so many women who want a man over 6ft, makes 6 figures or more, attractive with a good body and all his hair, etc., but they bring nothing to the table. I know several women who don’t cook, don’t clean, and have abandoned many feminine traits. Then you all wonder why you’re 35 with no kids and no man who wants you.

Hmm. I thought you were an incel too, but I guess you're a Christian Boomer.

You just don’t like being confronted with the truth.

Ha. For starters I have been married to a great man for 15 years and I’m 39. I would never have dreamed cooking or cleaning for him when we were dating or engaged. My only “feminine trait” I have is my appearance and I sure as heck didn’t dress or act feminine to get a man. You’d probably think I brought nothing to the table. And yet I am happily married to a man who met my standards. In fact I’m probably happily married *because* he met my standards.

But go on about how women should do free cooking and cleaning for the privilege of marrying a guy they don’t really want.

You’re his beard.

You sound bitter. Is it because you couldn’t find a tall, handsome, successful man to marry, or because you aren’t one yourself?

dp height doesn't always make someone handsome. Plenty of short men who are handsome...Jeremy Jordan for one!

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Anonymous wrote:This is incel-speak for “how dare women have standards.”

That's exactly what it is

No the point was women have dumb standards.

dp That is your opinion but women are allowed their own standards.

Anonymous wrote:This is a spin-off of another thread where a late 30s woman was asking how to meet men, and of course mentions the “well-educated” criterion multiple times.

I just don’t get this. And I should preface this by saying I’m a guy with an Ivy degree. But would you ladies not consider someone who owns his own construction business or a few Subway franchises and earns $150,000 per year? (Or we could make it 15 Subway franchises and an income of $600,000 if that is your requirement.) This is not about income – that part I understand.

But why the obsession with “well-educated” men? Do you not understand that for many people, going to college/graduate school is a terrible life decision? I mean, there was a recent article about NYU film grads coming out of the Master’s program with $30,000/year jobs and $250,000 in debt. Surely women in their late 30s recognize that the dating market is not skewed in their favor. Why add yet *another* filter that further winnows down your available options?

Why do YOU have to get it.? We are all different and some people want husbands who are intellectual. Because we want to be able to discuss current events, politics, the arts etc and IN GENERAL those men who are own their own construction business are not intellectual. Just because I don't want to marry you doesn't mean I think you have a terrible life. I JUST DON"T WANT TO MARRY YOU. I would rather be single than make a mistake and date someone I would not want to marry.

I think you need more to do than worry about other people's dating choices.

If you're from a predominately white area in the US, they are almost always MAGA types. They generally distain intellectual things and think that knowledge beyond your immediate experience is not worth seeking.

Wow, you took a poll of all white people? Or are you merely being pompous?

I think a lot of people here talking about education being more important than a degree don't know a lot of people who didn't go to college. If you're from a predominately white area in the US, they are almost always MAGA types. They generally distain intellectual things and think that knowledge beyond your immediate experience is not worth seeking. Sure, not everyone needs a formal education to be educated. Malcom X is far more well-read than the vast majority of people I know and he educated himself in prison! But I think it goes without saying that that is the exception.

College dropouts are different. They at least found formal education valuable enough to try and some are plenty well-educated (like Ryan Holiday). All of my siblings are college dropouts and three of the four are great to talk to (one did go the MAGA/academia-is-full-of-evil-elites route). So they deserve some credit for that. But I still wouldn't want to marry your typical college dropout. It's nice to be married to somebody who worked as hard to develop their intellect as I did (and we continue to do so). For me it's not a matter of snobbery, it's a matter of compatibility.

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Anonymous wrote:Those of you who conflate being educated with being formally educated are too stupid to mate anyway.

And those of you who think formal education and informal “education” are somehow equivalent…must have some interesting doctors, engineers and bankers in your lives.

Most of the people here are already married. You’re too late to convince us watching the history channel a lot is an education.

ALIENS!

Anonymous wrote:Eventually everyone gets old and loses their looks and their perfectly fit bodies are ravaged by gravity oxidation and infirmity.

When that time arrives I would rather be with a financially less well off guy with a PhD in philosophy who can converse on existential angst versus a technology program graduate with a successful business in the trades who watches football and cheers on the MAGAts and Q peeps and cannot recall the last book he read in high school.

A liberal autodidact who runs an auto repair shop would be perfection, but I know there are no unicorns out there.

Have you ever read the book "shop class as soul craft?" It's not perfect but I loved his intellectual defense of craftsmanship and critique of academia and corporate life. So the unicorns are out there!

I actually sort of married one. He was pretty conservative when we married, but now is solidly liberal. He is a very successful attorney but makes space in his life for things like building desks, gardening, DIY projects around the house, etc. He is more interested in world affairs than history, like I am, but we learn from each other so that's fun. He's not quite the unicorn you're talking about, but if you find a guy with a liberal arts BA but in a different field, he might be the type you want!

Anonymous wrote:Eventually everyone gets old and loses their looks and their perfectly fit bodies are ravaged by gravity oxidation and infirmity.

When that time arrives I would rather be with a financially less well off guy with a PhD in philosophy who can converse on existential angst versus a technology program graduate with a successful business in the trades who watches football and cheers on the MAGAts and Q peeps and cannot recall the last book he read in high school.

A liberal autodidact who runs an auto repair shop would be perfection, but I know there are no unicorns out there.

I don’t like the blue collar folk. Even if they are rich or not they still are trash

Eventually everyone gets old and loses their looks and their perfectly fit bodies are ravaged by gravity oxidation and infirmity.

When that time arrives I would rather be with a financially less well off guy with a PhD in philosophy who can converse on existential angst versus a technology program graduate with a successful business in the trades who watches football and cheers on the MAGAts and Q peeps and cannot recall the last book he read in high school.

A liberal autodidact who runs an auto repair shop would be perfection, but I know there are no unicorns out there.

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t matter. The type of men that these women want - tall, educated, money, etc., make up about 20% of men. These men have options and are less likely to settle down or settle with one of them. This is why women have so many issues getting married. Many bring nothing or very little to the table but expect the most. If you’re a man who is in the top 20%, you better be a 10 across the board. You can’t be average looking woman electing that caliber of a man.

Women these days days are more masculine than every. They don’t cook, don’t clean, don’t want to raise their kids, don’t want to have sex often, and don’t want to keep up with their looks. Why would a man who is a high caliber man settle for that? Any man in general for that instance. This is why men don’t want to get married. You give them half your money and provide for them with little or nothing in return.

It’s almost like the incel parts of the internet disable Google.

The more educated you are the more likely you will marry. The wealthier you are, the more likely it is you will marry.

And you’re telling on yourself when you say not having sex often is a male trait. Only among you and your “friends” my dude.

I’m a woman and this is the truth. I’m not a man. I know so many women who want a man over 6ft, makes 6 figures or more, attractive with a good body and all his hair, etc., but they bring nothing to the table. I know several women who don’t cook, don’t clean, and have abandoned many feminine traits. Then you all wonder why you’re 35 with no kids and no man who wants you.

Hmm. I thought you were an incel too, but I guess you're a Christian Boomer.

You just don’t like being confronted with the truth.

Ha. For starters I have been married to a great man for 15 years and I’m 39. I would never have dreamed cooking or cleaning for him when we were dating or engaged. My only “feminine trait” I have is my appearance and I sure as heck didn’t dress or act feminine to get a man. You’d probably think I brought nothing to the table. And yet I am happily married to a man who met my standards. In fact I’m probably happily married *because* he met my standards.

But go on about how women should do free cooking and cleaning for the privilege of marrying a guy they don’t really want.

You’re his beard.

You sound bitter. Is it because you couldn’t find a tall, handsome, successful man to marry, or because you aren’t one yourself?

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t matter. The type of men that these women want - tall, educated, money, etc., make up about 20% of men. These men have options and are less likely to settle down or settle with one of them. This is why women have so many issues getting married. Many bring nothing or very little to the table but expect the most. If you’re a man who is in the top 20%, you better be a 10 across the board. You can’t be average looking woman electing that caliber of a man.

Women these days days are more masculine than every. They don’t cook, don’t clean, don’t want to raise their kids, don’t want to have sex often, and don’t want to keep up with their looks. Why would a man who is a high caliber man settle for that? Any man in general for that instance. This is why men don’t want to get married. You give them half your money and provide for them with little or nothing in return.

It’s almost like the incel parts of the internet disable Google.

The more educated you are the more likely you will marry. The wealthier you are, the more likely it is you will marry.

And you’re telling on yourself when you say not having sex often is a male trait. Only among you and your “friends” my dude.

I’m a woman and this is the truth. I’m not a man. I know so many women who want a man over 6ft, makes 6 figures or more, attractive with a good body and all his hair, etc., but they bring nothing to the table. I know several women who don’t cook, don’t clean, and have abandoned many feminine traits. Then you all wonder why you’re 35 with no kids and no man who wants you.

Hmm. I thought you were an incel too, but I guess you're a Christian Boomer.

You just don’t like being confronted with the truth.

Ha. For starters I have been married to a great man for 15 years and I’m 39. I would never have dreamed cooking or cleaning for him when we were dating or engaged. My only “feminine trait” I have is my appearance and I sure as heck didn’t dress or act feminine to get a man. You’d probably think I brought nothing to the table. And yet I am happily married to a man who met my standards. In fact I’m probably happily married *because* he met my standards.

But go on about how women should do free cooking and cleaning for the privilege of marrying a guy they don’t really want.

You’re his beard.

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Anonymous wrote:Those of you who conflate being educated with being formally educated are too stupid to mate anyway.

And those of you who think formal education and informal “education” are somehow equivalent…must have some interesting doctors, engineers and bankers in your lives.

Most of the people here are already married. You’re too late to convince us watching the history channel a lot is an education.

Glad that when I was on the market, I could always smell the stench from people like you from a mile away.

It’s good that you avoid married women.