Anonymous
09/17/2021 11:13
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
I'm another one who thinks it's POSSIBLE he didn't kill her... I do think he was involved (although as PP said, is she accounted for after he left on the 23rd?) but I also think it's likely (as it seems others do here also) that he did something like kick her out of the van intending to come back and she was gone, looking for help/hitchhiking etc.
I don't think him not talking necessarily means he murdered her. His lawyer is 100% telling him not to talk.
I don't think him not talking necessarily means he murdered her. His lawyer is 100% telling him not to talk.
Anonymous
09/17/2021 11:06
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Two women who worked at the co-op where the missing girl and her bf were fighting were found murdered while camping in the area. A man with an arsenal of weapons is the suspect.
She might have been killed by that other guy. That’s what the police are looking into now.
Check out the Daily Mail.
That's my problem. He is a dirt bag and abusive, but that doesn't mean he killed her.
Wait - we know SHE was physically abusing him! (and he didn’t fight back apparently).
plus she admits she is mentally ill on the video, she knows it, but she isn’t being treated.
She was probably abusing him mentally and emotionally too. If anyone here can be described as “abusive,” all the evidence points to her as the abuser.
can you explain how he ended up with her car?
He is innocent until proven guilty. He has not burden of proof. But I’m just like you: a disinterested observer. 3 possible scenarios I see:
- she committed suicide, or
- she stormed off in a fit of rage; maybe they had yet another major fight (they did that a lot) or
- he abandoned her or
- he killed her (probably pushed her over a cliff).
But yes - self defense is also possible: we know she was the one physically abusing him.
Ok. Then why won't he share the last time and place he saw her with the police?
His lawyer.
Most lawyers do not practice criminal defense. But a criminal defense lawyer knows the police have only one goal here:
- obtain a conviction.
It appears it is in the client’s best interest in this case is to stay silent, and every lawyer has a duty to provide zealous advocacy to their client. So the “person of interest” has been widely advised to remain silent. Sorry if that sounds cold to the non-lawyers.
the police can testify about his silence (you can thank the a 5-4 Supreme Court for that one)
Anonymous
09/17/2021 11:06
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Two women who worked at the co-op where the missing girl and her bf were fighting were found murdered while camping in the area. A man with an arsenal of weapons is the suspect.
She might have been killed by that other guy. That’s what the police are looking into now.
Check out the Daily Mail.
That's my problem. He is a dirt bag and abusive, but that doesn't mean he killed her.
Wait - we know SHE was physically abusing him! (and he didn’t fight back apparently).
plus she admits she is mentally ill on the video, she knows it, but she isn’t being treated.
She was probably abusing him mentally and emotionally too. If anyone here can be described as “abusive,” all the evidence points to her as the abuser.
the police can testify about his silence (you can thank the a 5-4 Supreme Court for that one)
can you explain how he ended up with her car?
He is innocent until proven guilty. He has not burden of proof. But I’m just like you: a disinterested observer. 3 possible scenarios I see:
- she committed suicide, or
- she stormed off in a fit of rage; maybe they had yet another major fight (they did that a lot) or
- he abandoned her or
- he killed her (probably pushed her over a cliff).
But yes - self defense is also possible: we know she was the one physically abusing him.
Ok. Then why won't he share the last time and place he saw her with the police?
His lawyer.
Most lawyers do not practice criminal defense. But a criminal defense lawyer knows the police have only one goal here:
- obtain a conviction.
It appears it is in the client’s best interest in this case is to stay silent, and every lawyer has a duty to provide zealous advocacy to their client. So the “person of interest” has been widely advised to remain silent. Sorry if that sounds cold to the non-lawyers.
Anonymous
09/17/2021 11:05
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
I haven't read the whole thread but am trying to follow the story, which is fascinating. Here's my Q - has there been any evidence that she was seen after he left for FL on the 23rd? I'm not saying the guy is innocent but isn't it POSSIBLE something happened to her while he was gone (23rd-27th) and he either couldn't find her or found her dead at the hotel or something and just panicked and left? (although I guess there would then be a body...)
Anonymous
09/17/2021 11:03
Subject: Re:Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Posting a different viewpoint and wondering if any of the PP’s on this thread have viewed the police interview with the couple when Gabby was reported to the police for assaulting Brian in Moab ??
Because, maybe if more people watched that tape, they’d take a more neutral approach. Having watched the full one hour police bodycam interview of both Gabby & Brian I have a few questions :
1) Gabby was nearly arrested for assault of Brian - there was a witness who called the police and that is why the police pulled the couple over) in July - towards the end of that tape, Gabby calls her parents - so - where are the parents in this for the next 6 weeks ??? Think about it everyone: you , as the parent of a 22 year old - have just been called and notified that your daughter has been pulled over by the police and almost charged with battery - and given a court date - had the cop not changed his mind - you know she is unemployed, is living in a van ( homeless) and has no purpose other than trying to gain fame and influence through writing a “ blog” about how she and her bf are ,” having a great adventure exploring the west “ - except it’s obvious that is all FAKE - they are 2 unstable young people, without jobs and violence has broken out in their relationship in which they are holed up together in basically - living out of a vehicle
You know this as her parents and what do you do ? Nothing - it seems - No, come home NOW Gabby - no ??? Get to the nearest airport and we will buy you a plane ticket home - right now Gabby
Instead, he Dad is paying for meals to be delivered to her while she lives in the van - OK
What is Brian’s obligation to her vs to himself ? He is not her husband or her father and he is same age as her . He is free to leave her and just go home . That is not a crime . He is not supervising her as an adult over a minor ? She had attacked him previously and - had the Utah cops charged her as they could have, Gabby would have had to show up in court in Utah in August .
Maybe she assaulted him again ? Maybe she is unstable and ran away from him . Maybe she hitched a ride with someone else afterwards.
Granted, he should have left on his own if the van was registered to her, but in the police video Gabby says that she doesn’t really ever drive the van so maybe - you all don’t know this - maybe they had an agreement that he go home in the Van . For all you know , maybe all this drama is caused by this girl
Signed,
A woman
Because, maybe if more people watched that tape, they’d take a more neutral approach. Having watched the full one hour police bodycam interview of both Gabby & Brian I have a few questions :
1) Gabby was nearly arrested for assault of Brian - there was a witness who called the police and that is why the police pulled the couple over) in July - towards the end of that tape, Gabby calls her parents - so - where are the parents in this for the next 6 weeks ??? Think about it everyone: you , as the parent of a 22 year old - have just been called and notified that your daughter has been pulled over by the police and almost charged with battery - and given a court date - had the cop not changed his mind - you know she is unemployed, is living in a van ( homeless) and has no purpose other than trying to gain fame and influence through writing a “ blog” about how she and her bf are ,” having a great adventure exploring the west “ - except it’s obvious that is all FAKE - they are 2 unstable young people, without jobs and violence has broken out in their relationship in which they are holed up together in basically - living out of a vehicle
You know this as her parents and what do you do ? Nothing - it seems - No, come home NOW Gabby - no ??? Get to the nearest airport and we will buy you a plane ticket home - right now Gabby
Instead, he Dad is paying for meals to be delivered to her while she lives in the van - OK
What is Brian’s obligation to her vs to himself ? He is not her husband or her father and he is same age as her . He is free to leave her and just go home . That is not a crime . He is not supervising her as an adult over a minor ? She had attacked him previously and - had the Utah cops charged her as they could have, Gabby would have had to show up in court in Utah in August .
Maybe she assaulted him again ? Maybe she is unstable and ran away from him . Maybe she hitched a ride with someone else afterwards.
Granted, he should have left on his own if the van was registered to her, but in the police video Gabby says that she doesn’t really ever drive the van so maybe - you all don’t know this - maybe they had an agreement that he go home in the Van . For all you know , maybe all this drama is caused by this girl
Signed,
A woman
Anonymous
09/17/2021 11:01
Subject: Re:Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
I honestly think he’s going to walk free. He probably won’t even make it to trial.
Is there any confirmation that the boyfriend has her phone? Physical evidence?
I have not yet seen any proof that he was in possession of her phone.
Is there any confirmation that the boyfriend has her phone? Physical evidence?
I have not yet seen any proof that he was in possession of her phone.
Anonymous
09/17/2021 10:58
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Would this be a topic if she wasn’t white and f’able?
There are tons of brown girls getting shot, killed daily.
This is kind a nothing burger no?
Please post a mystery, we will discuss
OK, here you go. A starter list with just seven names just from Alabama. Let's see you start a new DCUM thread on each of these women. Then we'll hold our breath as the rest of you super sleuths start digging into the cases. Feel free to find similar lists from the other 49 states, too.
"In 2019, the Montgomery Advisor published a story about missing person cases involving Black women and girls in Alabama that went unsolved and underreported.
Kimberly Arrington was reportedly abducted when she was 16 and was last seen on Oct. 30, 1998. LaQuanta Riley went missing when she was 19 and was last seen on December 7, 2003. Aubrina Mack left her home on August 15, 2006, at the age of 21 and hasn’t been seen since. Nanette Thomas hasn’t been seen since she was reportedly abducted at the age of 51 on April 9, 2016. Lakira Goldsmith has been missing since Nov. 27, 2018, when she was 20. Keyquanna Burton disappeared on March 6, at the age of 44. Donna Michelle Calloway was last seen on August 28, 2019, when she was 39."
Anonymous
09/17/2021 10:57
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I just want them to arrest him for possession of the phone and car. Maybe it sticks, and maybe it doesn't but it at least puts some pressure on him
That isn't even enough for an arrest warrant, I'm sorry. The items have never been reported stolen. It's not illegal to be in the possession of someone else's things, especially when in a relationship with that person, if the items have never been reported stolen.
Yeah, dead people can’t report their things stolen. Checkmate
Anonymous
09/17/2021 10:53
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
“How do you know” ^^^
Anonymous
09/17/2021 10:53
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:I just want them to arrest him for possession of the phone and car. Maybe it sticks, and maybe it doesn't but it at least puts some pressure on him
He doesn’t possess the car; the police seized it as part of their investigation. And,
- how do you “stole” any of those things? In the police body cam video, she clearly let him drive the car; they clearly shared the car.
For a theft charge under these circumstances, you will first need to obtain a statement from HER, that he stole the car.
Anonymous
09/17/2021 10:50
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:I just want them to arrest him for possession of the phone and car. Maybe it sticks, and maybe it doesn't but it at least puts some pressure on him
That isn't even enough for an arrest warrant, I'm sorry. The items have never been reported stolen. It's not illegal to be in the possession of someone else's things, especially when in a relationship with that person, if the items have never been reported stolen.
Anonymous
09/17/2021 10:49
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Two women who worked at the co-op where the missing girl and her bf were fighting were found murdered while camping in the area. A man with an arsenal of weapons is the suspect.
She might have been killed by that other guy. That’s what the police are looking into now.
Check out the Daily Mail.
That's my problem. He is a dirt bag and abusive, but that doesn't mean he killed her.
Wait - we know SHE was physically abusing him! (and he didn’t fight back apparently).
plus she admits she is mentally ill on the video, she knows it, but she isn’t being treated.
She was probably abusing him mentally and emotionally too. If anyone here can be described as “abusive,” all the evidence points to her as the abuser.
can you explain how he ended up with her car?
He is innocent until proven guilty. He has not burden of proof. But I’m just like you: a disinterested observer. 3 possible scenarios I see:
- she committed suicide, or
- she stormed off in a fit of rage; maybe they had yet another major fight (they did that a lot) or
- he abandoned her or
- he killed her (probably pushed her over a cliff).
But yes - self defense is also possible: we know she was the one physically abusing him.
Ok. Then why won't he share the last time and place he saw her with the police?
His lawyer.
Most lawyers do not practice criminal defense. But a criminal defense lawyer knows the police have only one goal here:
- obtain a conviction.
It appears it is in the client’s best interest in this case is to stay silent, and every lawyer has a duty to provide zealous advocacy to their client. So the “person of interest” has been widely advised to remain silent. Sorry if that sounds cold to the non-lawyers.
Anonymous
09/17/2021 10:43
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
I just want them to arrest him for possession of the phone and car. Maybe it sticks, and maybe it doesn't but it at least puts some pressure on him
Anonymous
09/17/2021 10:39
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
The longer he waits, the more likely it is her body will be scattered/damaged by animals, making it harder to find and harder to determine cause of death.
Anonymous
09/17/2021 10:28
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I know his type. I’m betting she wears her heart on her sleeve. He winds her up by gaslighting her and telling her to calm down. She is crying and emotional but he appears to be calm and stable. It only escalates from there.He was probably telling her she was out of control and couldn’t drive and needed to go take a walk. She’s thinking she’s not out of control and wants HER car keys. Just bc she’s crying doesn’t mean she’s out of control.
I’m upset the police officers described her as manic. In the video she appeared to be scared and crying but answering questions just fine. When I hear someone being described as manic I think if that person running around, screaming and out of control.
I think he left her on the side of the road somewhere in the desert. He thought she’d eventually find her way out of it- walk to a town, a passerby would help. She got lost and died. I think she’ll be found not too far from a road, dead from exposure to the elements.
Yeah, no. He had her car and her phone. Dude did not leave her alive on the roadside. He knows she’s dead.
He knows now. But I think he wanted to teach her a lesson. Took her phone so she couldn’t call for help. Wanted her to “calm down and take a walk” like before. He went back later and she was gone.
I completely agree with this theory. I don't think he actually killed her. I think he abandoned her in the heat of an argument, took her phone and car and took off. Maybe he went back to try to look for her and she was already gone probably succumbed to the elements by this point. I think he then panicked and sent fake texts to throw off the timeline. I don't know how he thinks he can just return and not cooperate with authorities, but if there's no body and no evidence, it's hard to prove he killed her.