Anonymous
08/24/2022 17:52
Subject: Re:Jen Hatmaker
Anonymous wrote:
His vulnerability in the first podcast was commendable and inspiring. I’ve rarely seen anyone be that exposed so soon after a catastrophic season of loss. I will celebrate how far he’s come while still recognizing he has some problematic denial to work through. I’m deeply concerned that his treatment center encouraged him to only see his PSTD as his problem and his addictions as just coping mechanisms.
Agree 100%.
It sounds like he came into the treatment center with the idea that he might have an addiction, and they, after much testing, told him "actually no, your real issue is PTSD, those other things are just coping mechanisms." It's understandable that he put credence in the diagnosis of the "experts" at the recovery center. What a shame if they were wrong. I can't say with any certainty that they are; am not qualified to diagnose him based on his social media feed! But I do hope those that are close to him will keep a watchful eye and encourage him to reconsider if the warning signs are there.
I wish him continued strength and healing.
And for what it's worth, I found the first podcast more inspiring than the second one.
Anonymous
08/24/2022 16:58
Subject: Jen Hatmaker
I listened yesterday, but not today.
Did he address how he’s handling it with his kids? There is still a big rift with him and Sydney
Did he address how he’s handling it with his kids? There is still a big rift with him and Sydney
Anonymous
08/24/2022 16:04
Subject: Jen Hatmaker
FYI gambling addicts can lose shocking amounts of money fast.
Anonymous
08/24/2022 15:58
Subject: Re:Jen Hatmaker
Anonymous wrote:Agree that the female podcast host detracted from the interview. I almost stopped listening on account of her unprofessional fangirl approach. The one exception being some of her comments at the end of the first episode that were insightful.
Regarding a previous poster's criticism that B wasn't completely forthright because he didn't identify the "ally" (fling) by name, where he met her, how much financial loss he created, etc., I disagree. Those details are gossip that aren't things any of us need to know. IMO sharing those publicly would cause more harm than help. He was open that he cheated, that he used drugs & alcohol recklessly and that he was consumed by anger and didn't recognize the person he had become. And open about the experiences that led to this downward spiral. We don't need juicy details beyond that to understand what happened.
Brandon didn't claim to be fully healed nor have everything figured out. I see a lot of comments that he may have a problem with alcohol and that he wasn't ready for a new relationship. Both of those may be true, hard to know. I imagine he has more work to do, but don't we all --it's part of being HUMAN. I thought his message was more of a"work in progress," NOT "look at me, I've got life all figured out." Not claiming perfection of any sort (quite the opposite), but in a better place.
I certainly hope that he continues to work on himself especially if there are underlying issues of alcoholism or anything else. What a shame it would be to come this far, only to retreat backwards. What I can say though is how courageous he was to share what he did. It takes a lot of strength to own up to all he did. I'm grateful that he shared his story---for now, I'd like to focus on that courage and wish him the best as he moves forward. Not to rip him apart.
His vulnerability in the first podcast was commendable and inspiring. I’ve rarely seen anyone be that exposed so soon after a catastrophic season of loss. I will celebrate how far he’s come while still recognizing he has some problematic denial to work through. I’m deeply concerned that his treatment center encouraged him to only see his PSTD as his problem and his addictions as just coping mechanisms.
Anonymous
08/24/2022 15:30
Subject: Jen Hatmaker
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:She’s going on tour?! Like a rock star? Who in the world would buy tickets for this?
other narcissists
+1. The same people who fawn over Glennon and buy all her crap too.
Anonymous
08/24/2022 15:23
Subject: Re:Jen Hatmaker
Agree that the female podcast host detracted from the interview. I almost stopped listening on account of her unprofessional fangirl approach. The one exception being some of her comments at the end of the first episode that were insightful.
Regarding a previous poster's criticism that B wasn't completely forthright because he didn't identify the "ally" (fling) by name, where he met her, how much financial loss he created, etc., I disagree. Those details are gossip that aren't things any of us need to know. IMO sharing those publicly would cause more harm than help. He was open that he cheated, that he used drugs & alcohol recklessly and that he was consumed by anger and didn't recognize the person he had become. And open about the experiences that led to this downward spiral. We don't need juicy details beyond that to understand what happened.
Brandon didn't claim to be fully healed nor have everything figured out. I see a lot of comments that he may have a problem with alcohol and that he wasn't ready for a new relationship. Both of those may be true, hard to know. I imagine he has more work to do, but don't we all --it's part of being HUMAN. I thought his message was more of a"work in progress," NOT "look at me, I've got life all figured out." Not claiming perfection of any sort (quite the opposite), but in a better place.
I certainly hope that he continues to work on himself especially if there are underlying issues of alcoholism or anything else. What a shame it would be to come this far, only to retreat backwards. What I can say though is how courageous he was to share what he did. It takes a lot of strength to own up to all he did. I'm grateful that he shared his story---for now, I'd like to focus on that courage and wish him the best as he moves forward. Not to rip him apart.
Regarding a previous poster's criticism that B wasn't completely forthright because he didn't identify the "ally" (fling) by name, where he met her, how much financial loss he created, etc., I disagree. Those details are gossip that aren't things any of us need to know. IMO sharing those publicly would cause more harm than help. He was open that he cheated, that he used drugs & alcohol recklessly and that he was consumed by anger and didn't recognize the person he had become. And open about the experiences that led to this downward spiral. We don't need juicy details beyond that to understand what happened.
Brandon didn't claim to be fully healed nor have everything figured out. I see a lot of comments that he may have a problem with alcohol and that he wasn't ready for a new relationship. Both of those may be true, hard to know. I imagine he has more work to do, but don't we all --it's part of being HUMAN. I thought his message was more of a"work in progress," NOT "look at me, I've got life all figured out." Not claiming perfection of any sort (quite the opposite), but in a better place.
I certainly hope that he continues to work on himself especially if there are underlying issues of alcoholism or anything else. What a shame it would be to come this far, only to retreat backwards. What I can say though is how courageous he was to share what he did. It takes a lot of strength to own up to all he did. I'm grateful that he shared his story---for now, I'd like to focus on that courage and wish him the best as he moves forward. Not to rip him apart.
Anonymous
08/24/2022 15:17
Subject: Jen Hatmaker
The ally. Jen unfollowed one LC board member who fits the hints her friends keep dropping.
Can you provide initials?
Anonymous
08/24/2022 15:17
Subject: Jen Hatmaker
Anonymous wrote:What if they both stopped podcasting publicly about it and anything regarding their personal life relationships.
This all barely happened two years ago and it’s a disaster from both sides. They don’t know who they are or why and what outside the marriage and that’s normal! They’re only at the very beginning and start of recovery and putting pieces together.
I agree 100%. But let's not forget Brando has done ONE podcast 2 years later where Jenny has done 5 billion. And she will continue to do 10 billion more. So my money is on Brando, I bet he is one and done on the podcast thing. Unless the discussion is on a totally different topic.
Anonymous
08/24/2022 15:14
Subject: Jen Hatmaker
Anonymous wrote:Kind of wild to see the contrast between Brandon's vulnerability on that podcast yesterday and Jen's "all the dish" tour announcement, with her huge hair and over-the-top performance.
The timing of her announcement was just *chef's kiss*. And yes her "performances" on her videos - the preening and standing with her legs crossed/fidgeting around like she's a toddler that has to pee is just so obnoxious.
Anonymous
08/24/2022 14:55
Subject: Jen Hatmaker
Anonymous wrote:She’s going on tour?! Like a rock star? Who in the world would buy tickets for this?
other narcissists
Anonymous
08/24/2022 14:41
Subject: Jen Hatmaker
Anonymous wrote:Jen has zero empathy and has an attitude that everything should be about her. It’s her grotesque personality that failed Brandon in many ways. She didn’t want to put in the work to save their marriage, imo. When he was spiraling, with this depression and drinking etc, she didn’t see it because she is incapable. She is self absorbed and his issues weren’t all about her. I’m not excusing Brando’s behavior. He has to own it 100%. But, she sure as sh*t either 1) didn’t see it, or 2) saw it, but had the attitude that this was his battle and it was his journey to get through. Jen can’t be bothered with stuff that doesn’t elevate her status in some way. She is entitled and spoiled.
Yep! 100%
Anonymous
08/24/2022 14:41
Subject: Jen Hatmaker
^^^ I need to add that this therapy was available for the bargain price of $7-10k per month.
Anonymous
08/24/2022 14:38
Subject: Jen Hatmaker
The sober living industry complex is nothing like what was available in the 70s and 80s, with Betty Ford and Hazelden. I live in So Cal, and had a "sober living home" literally in my back yard. It was a revolving door of men and then women fresh out of rehab and barely hanging on. We shared a fence (and our patios were feet apart) and I heard all their stories. The "counselors" would have therapy on that patio.
The "clients" were babied and volunteered at animal shelters and were told over and over that their bodies processed drugs and alcohol differently from other people. It seemed like they were giving these people so many excuses for their addictions and not dealing with root issues. Nor requiring real accountability. The counselors and house managers were recent grads of the programs, which was a terrible idea. Those folks needed time to have and establish their own sober lives before assisting others on their journeys.
Total cash grab on part of these companies selling sobriety. The clients aren't getting sober. They were nightmare neighbors, and really, it was inappropriate of the sober living company to shoehorn them into a suburb vs. Betty Ford or Hazelden where you are out in a more remote area with room to heal.
Brando is not authentically sober and like a pp stated, this is not going to end well.
Also, how dysfunctional were the men in Tina's life that Brando looked like such a catch after the terrible admissions? Ugh.
The "clients" were babied and volunteered at animal shelters and were told over and over that their bodies processed drugs and alcohol differently from other people. It seemed like they were giving these people so many excuses for their addictions and not dealing with root issues. Nor requiring real accountability. The counselors and house managers were recent grads of the programs, which was a terrible idea. Those folks needed time to have and establish their own sober lives before assisting others on their journeys.
Total cash grab on part of these companies selling sobriety. The clients aren't getting sober. They were nightmare neighbors, and really, it was inappropriate of the sober living company to shoehorn them into a suburb vs. Betty Ford or Hazelden where you are out in a more remote area with room to heal.
Brando is not authentically sober and like a pp stated, this is not going to end well.
Also, how dysfunctional were the men in Tina's life that Brando looked like such a catch after the terrible admissions? Ugh.
Anonymous
08/24/2022 14:18
Subject: Jen Hatmaker
Interesting that Brandon wondered in rehab if he was both an alcoholic and a gambling addict. I guess the spending got out of control.
But with his drinking history and his "relapse" and how he's admitted that it's a coping mechanism for his trauma and his own son's DWI if he's not really seeing what one of his true root issues is. Which is legit alcoholism.
I think he might need to live with true sobriety going forward and be honest. Drinking is a problem.
Not something he can manage with only "drinking on the weekends".
But with his drinking history and his "relapse" and how he's admitted that it's a coping mechanism for his trauma and his own son's DWI if he's not really seeing what one of his true root issues is. Which is legit alcoholism.
I think he might need to live with true sobriety going forward and be honest. Drinking is a problem.
Not something he can manage with only "drinking on the weekends".
Anonymous
08/24/2022 13:39
Subject: Jen Hatmaker
Anonymous wrote:So Brandon meets Tina out one night with friends and confesses to her his recent marital breakup is due to his adultery and addiction and Tina thinks that’s ok at least you are being honest about it? Let’s go ahead and dive into a serious relationship even though you just got out of rehab? We better get together right now in the midst of your brand new divorce or we’ll both go find someone else anyway?
Anyone else seeing red flags here?
This 2nd podcast really shows what a trainwreck this all (and he still) is. So he came back after 6 weeks (between being at his brother and sister's and being at the recovery centerplace), admits that he relapsed and was a disaster (so was that fall of 2020), then says by mid-December 2020 he and Tina decided they were "serious." Between that and the absolute denial of addiction problems, "only drinking on the weekends" - this will not end well.