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Anonymous wrote:The bottom line is that Iran wants one of their proxies in charge of Palestine - Hamas or Hezbollah. And Iran is who is organizing these pro-Palestine protests. There aren't any strong pro-Palestine voices out there pushing back on the Iranian agenda.

It’s difficult to take your claim seriously. Those who share that view continue to press propaganda like this and refuse to accept that the only way that could even possibly be true is if Israel’s relentless campaign to deprive the Palestinians of hope for freedom and a future has led them right into the arms of Iran (or whatever boogeyman du jour).

And if the latter is true, why are we not talking about accountability in Israel for creating and mercilessly persisting with the conditions that led us to this point, where a country 1,500 miles away is able to establish influence as a counter-balance to the oppression model?

I don't care about your incredulity about "my claim" about Iran - it's not my claim, it's widely known. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/iranian-government-actors-seeking-advantage-pro-palestinian-protests/story?id=111786372 Take your incredulity and complaints elsewhere, they go nowhere with me.

And regarding the latter, you aren't exactly refuting me and are in fact justifying Iran's involvement and meddling. You also haven't refuted my argument that there aren't any strong pro-Palestine voices among the protesters strongly condemning and rejecting Hamas and Hezbollah (and in terms as strong as the ones they use against Israel) and proposing a genuinely new and different leadership direction or regime for Palestine.

So you still haven't even remotely made the case that anything I said is somehow "dishonest" or "despicable" or "slanderous" or "propaganda."

The Palestinians live in concentration camps. It’s completely dishonest to pretend that there’s such a thing as “leadership” in this camps. There’s no entry or exit without Israel’s control. There no access to sea or air.

What are you even talking about?

Sure, I’ll join you in emphatically calling for new leadership in Gaza. Now what? Are you pathetically trying to condition throttling back the murder of civilians on this false premise that such a shared goal (new “leadership” in what amounts to a prison or concentration camp) is achievable given how Israel has chosen to execute this conflict.

Do the new leaders in Gaza show up tomorrow morning to pick up their keys to the city (of rubble)?

It is difficult to take these protesters as anything more than agents of Iran's and Hamas' propaganda. They are so stupid that they don't understand they are being used. Our finest students, at that!

Were you all shocked and protesting the U.S. actions when you bombed Serbia and Kosovo for three months?
Serbs had Kosovo since the 8th century, so I am not sure why it was ok to give it to Albanians. If it is not ok to give a bare strip of land to Jews?
If the argument is that Romans called the land Palestine, then should the argument that Kosovo is Serbia be valid to this day?
Did you even look at what all sides were saying then? Or is this just your "cause de jeur?"
Did you ever take the time to read about what the other side said?

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Anonymous wrote:The bottom line is that Iran wants one of their proxies in charge of Palestine - Hamas or Hezbollah. And Iran is who is organizing these pro-Palestine protests. There aren't any strong pro-Palestine voices out there pushing back on the Iranian agenda.

It’s difficult to take your claim seriously. Those who share that view continue to press propaganda like this and refuse to accept that the only way that could even possibly be true is if Israel’s relentless campaign to deprive the Palestinians of hope for freedom and a future has led them right into the arms of Iran (or whatever boogeyman du jour).

And if the latter is true, why are we not talking about accountability in Israel for creating and mercilessly persisting with the conditions that led us to this point, where a country 1,500 miles away is able to establish influence as a counter-balance to the oppression model?

I don't care about your incredulity about "my claim" about Iran - it's not my claim, it's widely known. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/iranian-government-actors-seeking-advantage-pro-palestinian-protests/story?id=111786372 Take your incredulity and complaints elsewhere, they go nowhere with me.

And regarding the latter, you aren't exactly refuting me and are in fact justifying Iran's involvement and meddling. You also haven't refuted my argument that there aren't any strong pro-Palestine voices among the protesters strongly condemning and rejecting Hamas and Hezbollah (and in terms as strong as the ones they use against Israel) and proposing a genuinely new and different leadership direction or regime for Palestine.

So you still haven't even remotely made the case that anything I said is somehow "dishonest" or "despicable" or "slanderous" or "propaganda."

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain why these protesters weren't at the RNC? I honestly don't understand why they're protesting the DNC, but not Bibi's bestie Donald, who definitely doesn't care about Palestinians.

These are people who want “their party” to represent their interests. The leadership just expects everyone to shut up and fall in line. Things are changing.

They don't get to call the Democrats "their party" when they run around shrieking "Genocide Joe" and heckling Democrats during campaign events and so on. They have clearly taken a hateful, adversarial anti-Democrat position.

And don't even get me started on the fact that they are being organized and funded by Iran. To me, that means their political party is the IRGC, and it's clear they won't vote for Democrats - I don't recognize them as Democrats.

The Dems are a lot more than just Israel. You only care about Israel and enforcing your views on everyone else.

Yes, Dems are about a lot more than just Israel. But the pro-Palestine Progressive Left insists on tying all of those other issues to Palestine. It's not that MY only issue is Israel, it's that the goal of the pro-Palestinian movement is to make it impossible for me to be pro-choice, pro-gun control, pro-climate science AND support democracy in the middle east and the rights of Jews not to be murdered through a global intifada.

The people showing up to every other issue with a Palestinian flag are the ones enforcing their views on everyone else.

So your choice vis-a-vis the Middle East is to oppose democracy because you believe that the alternative exposes Jews to a “global intifada” where murder will be the outcome for “all Jews”.

First of all, “global intifada” is bravado fiction conjured by powerless figures in an effort to make their fight for freedom and a future seem less hopeless, and capitalized upon by those depriving them of a hopeless future as “proof” that they were right all along to have done so.

It’s not real. The number of Jews killed by Arabs or Muslims across the globe in the past 100 years is less than 1/2 of 1% of the number of Arabs and Muslims killed by Jews across the globe in that same period of time. So who’s undertaking a campaign of extermination here on the first place?

Second, your statement says it all - I’m all for “democracy”, but only if I retain permanent, indivisible control. So, interpreting that through a handy dandy bullshit meter, it says here that you don’t actually give a F about democracy.

Bottom line: you’re a garden variety fascist who masquerades as an evolved human being motivated by the common good, but you really only care about taking care of your own interests.

At least own who you are …

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain why these protesters weren't at the RNC? I honestly don't understand why they're protesting the DNC, but not Bibi's bestie Donald, who definitely doesn't care about Palestinians.

These are people who want “their party” to represent their interests. The leadership just expects everyone to shut up and fall in line. Things are changing.

They don't get to call the Democrats "their party" when they run around shrieking "Genocide Joe" and heckling Democrats during campaign events and so on. They have clearly taken a hateful, adversarial anti-Democrat position.

And don't even get me started on the fact that they are being organized and funded by Iran. To me, that means their political party is the IRGC, and it's clear they won't vote for Democrats - I don't recognize them as Democrats.

The Dems are a lot more than just Israel. You only care about Israel and enforcing your views on everyone else.

Yes, Dems are about a lot more than just Israel. But the pro-Palestine Progressive Left insists on tying all of those other issues to Palestine. It's not that MY only issue is Israel, it's that the goal of the pro-Palestinian movement is to make it impossible for me to be pro-choice, pro-gun control, pro-climate science AND support democracy in the middle east and the rights of Jews not to be murdered through a global intifada.

The people showing up to every other issue with a Palestinian flag are the ones enforcing their views on everyone else.

Anonymous wrote:The bottom line is that Iran wants one of their proxies in charge of Palestine - Hamas or Hezbollah. And Iran is who is organizing these pro-Palestine protests. There aren't any strong pro-Palestine voices out there pushing back on the Iranian agenda.

It’s difficult to take your claim seriously. Those who share that view continue to press propaganda like this and refuse to accept that the only way that could even possibly be true is if Israel’s relentless campaign to deprive the Palestinians of hope for freedom and a future has led them right into the arms of Iran (or whatever boogeyman du jour).

And if the latter is true, why are we not talking about accountability in Israel for creating and mercilessly persisting with the conditions that led us to this point, where a country 1,500 miles away is able to establish influence as a counter-balance to the oppression model?

Hamas existed since 1987. It’s more of an Israeli proxy or Egyptian proxy (offshoot of Egypt’s MB) than an Iranian proxy.

Iranians like Azerbaijanis are mostly friendly to Israel as a fellow minority in the Arab street. Khomeini? Is like the Farrakhan or David duke. A side show and a character. His Twitter praising protestors does not mean he literally personally designed all the academia protests.

Anonymous wrote:The bottom line is that Iran wants one of their proxies in charge of Palestine - Hamas or Hezbollah. And Iran is who is organizing these pro-Palestine protests. There aren't any strong pro-Palestine voices out there pushing back on the Iranian agenda.

Iran controls Tiktokers and Ivy League kids?

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain why these protesters weren't at the RNC? I honestly don't understand why they're protesting the DNC, but not Bibi's bestie Donald, who definitely doesn't care about Palestinians.

These are people who want “their party” to represent their interests. The leadership just expects everyone to shut up and fall in line. Things are changing.

They don't get to call the Democrats "their party" when they run around shrieking "Genocide Joe" and heckling Democrats during campaign events and so on. They have clearly taken a hateful, adversarial anti-Democrat position.

And don't even get me started on the fact that they are being organized and funded by Iran. To me, that means their political party is the IRGC, and it's clear they won't vote for Democrats - I don't recognize them as Democrats.

The Dems are a lot more than just Israel. You only care about Israel and enforcing your views on everyone else.

Let's be blunt and honest here - the staunchly pro-Hamas part of America may be obnoxiously loud and visible through its vandalism and occupying of street intersections but in terms of numbers, it's only 2% tops even in places like Michigan which has the highest percentage of Muslims. You want to enforce your views on 98% of America.

For the 10,000th time, who in TF is pro-Hamas?

I mean, it’s obviously part of the curated propaganda campaign you subscribe to (“no matter how often they clarify that they are fully opposed to Hamas, NOT at all opposed to the existence of Israel, and instead only supporting the human rights of the millions of innocent Palestinians in the region who are being terrorized by Israel, hammer them over and over again as pro-Hamas and that’s how we will win the war of public opinion” - AIPAC), but it’s so obviously despicable and dishonest at this point, do you really think this slander is believable to anyone outside your Islamophobic echo chamber?

Back up a second.
With the current state, if there's an immediate ceasefire and withdrawal of all Israeli troops, who will control Palestine? Hamas. So there you have it.

I've never heard any pro-Palestine protesters putting forth many credible or solid proposals for alternative political leadership for Palestine, other than perhaps the PA and frankly most of the pro-Palestine protesters hate the PA as well because they think the PA is corrupt, weak and ineffectual. Thus the default is Hamas. How is that somehow despicable, dishonest or slanderous to point out?

Pick a lane: either the 40,000 + dead in Gaza (and hundreds of thousands injured or permanently displaced) have been the “regrettable” consequence of successfully removing Hamas from power in the enclave, or Israel has failed spectacularly in trying to root out Hamas from Gaza - and perhaps it’s time to identify other strategies that don’t involve massive bombardment of innocent civilians and essential infrastructure, but that achieve the shared goal of ensuring that Hamas is unable to resume control of this land area the size of a small- to medium-sized County in Texas or California.

The bottom line is that Iran wants one of their proxies in charge of Palestine - Hamas or Hezbollah. And Iran is who is organizing these pro-Palestine protests. There aren't any strong pro-Palestine voices out there pushing back on the Iranian agenda.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain why these protesters weren't at the RNC? I honestly don't understand why they're protesting the DNC, but not Bibi's bestie Donald, who definitely doesn't care about Palestinians.

These are people who want “their party” to represent their interests. The leadership just expects everyone to shut up and fall in line. Things are changing.

They don't get to call the Democrats "their party" when they run around shrieking "Genocide Joe" and heckling Democrats during campaign events and so on. They have clearly taken a hateful, adversarial anti-Democrat position.

And don't even get me started on the fact that they are being organized and funded by Iran. To me, that means their political party is the IRGC, and it's clear they won't vote for Democrats - I don't recognize them as Democrats.

The Dems are a lot more than just Israel. You only care about Israel and enforcing your views on everyone else.

Let's be blunt and honest here - the staunchly pro-Hamas part of America may be obnoxiously loud and visible through its vandalism and occupying of street intersections but in terms of numbers, it's only 2% tops even in places like Michigan which has the highest percentage of Muslims. You want to enforce your views on 98% of America.

For the 10,000th time, who in TF is pro-Hamas?

I mean, it’s obviously part of the curated propaganda campaign you subscribe to (“no matter how often they clarify that they are fully opposed to Hamas, NOT at all opposed to the existence of Israel, and instead only supporting the human rights of the millions of innocent Palestinians in the region who are being terrorized by Israel, hammer them over and over again as pro-Hamas and that’s how we will win the war of public opinion” - AIPAC), but it’s so obviously despicable and dishonest at this point, do you really think this slander is believable to anyone outside your Islamophobic echo chamber?

Back up a second.
With the current state, if there's an immediate ceasefire and withdrawal of all Israeli troops, who will control Palestine? Hamas. So there you have it.

I've never heard any pro-Palestine protesters putting forth many credible or solid proposals for alternative political leadership for Palestine, other than perhaps the PA and frankly most of the pro-Palestine protesters hate the PA as well because they think the PA is corrupt, weak and ineffectual. Thus the default is Hamas. How is that somehow despicable, dishonest or slanderous to point out?

The terms pro Hamas and anti Israel are propaganda and misinformation they are terms meant to squash dialogue by stirring discord

Additionally, there are 2 different types of protesters those who are genuinely concerned about Palestinians and disagree with Israeli methods and those who are seeking to cause destruction and mayhem to distract and distract from valid concerns.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain why these protesters weren't at the RNC? I honestly don't understand why they're protesting the DNC, but not Bibi's bestie Donald, who definitely doesn't care about Palestinians.

These are people who want “their party” to represent their interests. The leadership just expects everyone to shut up and fall in line. Things are changing.

They don't get to call the Democrats "their party" when they run around shrieking "Genocide Joe" and heckling Democrats during campaign events and so on. They have clearly taken a hateful, adversarial anti-Democrat position.

And don't even get me started on the fact that they are being organized and funded by Iran. To me, that means their political party is the IRGC, and it's clear they won't vote for Democrats - I don't recognize them as Democrats.

The Dems are a lot more than just Israel. You only care about Israel and enforcing your views on everyone else.

Let's be blunt and honest here - the staunchly pro-Hamas part of America may be obnoxiously loud and visible through its vandalism and occupying of street intersections but in terms of numbers, it's only 2% tops even in places like Michigan which has the highest percentage of Muslims. You want to enforce your views on 98% of America.

How are white leftists Hamas? The only pro Hamas is Israel

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain why these protesters weren't at the RNC? I honestly don't understand why they're protesting the DNC, but not Bibi's bestie Donald, who definitely doesn't care about Palestinians.

These are people who want “their party” to represent their interests. The leadership just expects everyone to shut up and fall in line. Things are changing.

They don't get to call the Democrats "their party" when they run around shrieking "Genocide Joe" and heckling Democrats during campaign events and so on. They have clearly taken a hateful, adversarial anti-Democrat position.

And don't even get me started on the fact that they are being organized and funded by Iran. To me, that means their political party is the IRGC, and it's clear they won't vote for Democrats - I don't recognize them as Democrats.

The Dems are a lot more than just Israel. You only care about Israel and enforcing your views on everyone else.

Let's be blunt and honest here - the staunchly pro-Hamas part of America may be obnoxiously loud and visible through its vandalism and occupying of street intersections but in terms of numbers, it's only 2% tops even in places like Michigan which has the highest percentage of Muslims. You want to enforce your views on 98% of America.

For the 10,000th time, who in TF is pro-Hamas?

I mean, it’s obviously part of the curated propaganda campaign you subscribe to (“no matter how often they clarify that they are fully opposed to Hamas, NOT at all opposed to the existence of Israel, and instead only supporting the human rights of the millions of innocent Palestinians in the region who are being terrorized by Israel, hammer them over and over again as pro-Hamas and that’s how we will win the war of public opinion” - AIPAC), but it’s so obviously despicable and dishonest at this point, do you really think this slander is believable to anyone outside your Islamophobic echo chamber?