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Anonymous wrote:The democrats lost my vote in the past couple of years. I voted democrat on EVERY single ticket since Bush v. Gore, but I have not voted since painfully casting a vote for Hilary nor do I intend to ever again. I can't in good conscience vote for a party who comes to conclusions like, "Advanced programs racist because too many asians, so eliminate them" (I am white). Sorry, you lost me and I hope you lose others with your race baiting

And yet you’re perfectly fine with Donald’s position on race? OK cool. We know now not to give a flying F**k what you think.

And this here epitomizes the D's stance. The poster didn't say anything about liking/agreeing/voting for Trump; just because he/she was turned off by the progressive agenda and haw far it's gone and can't support them anymore, they are called names and written off. Very classy. This is why people are moving away from the left.

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Anonymous wrote:The democrats lost my vote in the past couple of years. I voted democrat on EVERY single ticket since Bush v. Gore, but I have not voted since painfully casting a vote for Hilary nor do I intend to ever again. I can't in good conscience vote for a party who comes to conclusions like, "Advanced programs racist because too many asians, so eliminate them" (I am white). Sorry, you lost me and I hope you lose others with your race baiting

And yet you’re perfectly fine with Donald’s position on race? OK cool. We know now not to give a flying F**k what you think.

Such a typical DCUM post. Assume something about a poster (of which you have zero evidence), then attack them for it. Delightful!

+1..and don’t forget, if all else fails, scream TRUMP

Anonymous wrote:To continue the Douthat article:

'So Democratic politicians may need to decide what they actually think about the ideas that have swept elite cultural institutions in the past few years. Maybe those ideas are worth defending. Maybe Kendi and DiAngelo are worth celebrating. Maybe school superintendents who recommend their work should be praised for doing so.

If so, Democrats should say so, and fight boldly on that line."

BUT it is really disingenous IMO to say its presence is a totally hallucinated concept in schools. AND voters knew that.

What is the argument against recommending racial equity reading?

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Anonymous wrote:The democrats lost my vote in the past couple of years. I voted democrat on EVERY single ticket since Bush v. Gore, but I have not voted since painfully casting a vote for Hilary nor do I intend to ever again. I can't in good conscience vote for a party who comes to conclusions like, "Advanced programs racist because too many asians, so eliminate them" (I am white). Sorry, you lost me and I hope you lose others with your race baiting

And yet you’re perfectly fine with Donald’s position on race? OK cool. We know now not to give a flying F**k what you think.

Did I say I was okay with his position on race? lol. I never voted for him or any republican so they didn't lose my vote, genius

If you’re voting for Republicans - the party that made its platform “Donald Trump” (literally) - you’re ok w/ their position on race, moron

Do you also say that to the blacks, latinos, and asians who voted Youngkin?

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Anonymous wrote:The democrats lost my vote in the past couple of years. I voted democrat on EVERY single ticket since Bush v. Gore, but I have not voted since painfully casting a vote for Hilary nor do I intend to ever again. I can't in good conscience vote for a party who comes to conclusions like, "Advanced programs racist because too many asians, so eliminate them" (I am white). Sorry, you lost me and I hope you lose others with your race baiting

And yet you’re perfectly fine with Donald’s position on race? OK cool. We know now not to give a flying F**k what you think.

Such a typical DCUM post. Assume something about a poster (of which you have zero evidence), then attack them for it. Delightful!

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Anonymous wrote:The democrats lost my vote in the past couple of years. I voted democrat on EVERY single ticket since Bush v. Gore, but I have not voted since painfully casting a vote for Hilary nor do I intend to ever again. I can't in good conscience vote for a party who comes to conclusions like, "Advanced programs racist because too many asians, so eliminate them" (I am white). Sorry, you lost me and I hope you lose others with your race baiting

And yet you’re perfectly fine with Donald’s position on race? OK cool. We know now not to give a flying F**k what you think.

Did I say I was okay with his position on race? lol. I never voted for him or any republican so they didn't lose my vote, genius

If you’re voting for Republicans - the party that made its platform “Donald Trump” (literally) - you’re ok w/ their position on race, moron

DP. Dum dum, are you even reading PP’s post? Where did he/she say he/she voted R?

Anonymous wrote:To continue the Douthat article:

'So Democratic politicians may need to decide what they actually think about the ideas that have swept elite cultural institutions in the past few years. Maybe those ideas are worth defending. Maybe Kendi and DiAngelo are worth celebrating. Maybe school superintendents who recommend their work should be praised for doing so.

If so, Democrats should say so, and fight boldly on that line."

BUT it is really disingenous IMO to say its presence is a totally hallucinated concept in schools. AND voters knew that.

Wow. This is spot on.

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Anonymous wrote:The democrats lost my vote in the past couple of years. I voted democrat on EVERY single ticket since Bush v. Gore, but I have not voted since painfully casting a vote for Hilary nor do I intend to ever again. I can't in good conscience vote for a party who comes to conclusions like, "Advanced programs racist because too many asians, so eliminate them" (I am white). Sorry, you lost me and I hope you lose others with your race baiting

And yet you’re perfectly fine with Donald’s position on race? OK cool. We know now not to give a flying F**k what you think.

Did I say I was okay with his position on race? lol. I never voted for him or any republican so they didn't lose my vote, genius

If you’re voting for Republicans - the party that made its platform “Donald Trump” (literally) - you’re ok w/ their position on race, moron

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Anonymous wrote:The democrats lost my vote in the past couple of years. I voted democrat on EVERY single ticket since Bush v. Gore, but I have not voted since painfully casting a vote for Hilary nor do I intend to ever again. I can't in good conscience vote for a party who comes to conclusions like, "Advanced programs racist because too many asians, so eliminate them" (I am white). Sorry, you lost me and I hope you lose others with your race baiting

And yet you’re perfectly fine with Donald’s position on race? OK cool. We know now not to give a flying F**k what you think.

Did I say I was okay with his position on race? lol. I never voted for him or any republican so they didn't lose my vote, genius

+1

To continue the Douthat article:

'So Democratic politicians may need to decide what they actually think about the ideas that have swept elite cultural institutions in the past few years. Maybe those ideas are worth defending. Maybe Kendi and DiAngelo are worth celebrating. Maybe school superintendents who recommend their work should be praised for doing so.

If so, Democrats should say so, and fight boldly on that line."

BUT it is really disingenous IMO to say its presence is a totally hallucinated concept in schools. AND voters knew that.

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Anonymous wrote:The democrats lost my vote in the past couple of years. I voted democrat on EVERY single ticket since Bush v. Gore, but I have not voted since painfully casting a vote for Hilary nor do I intend to ever again. I can't in good conscience vote for a party who comes to conclusions like, "Advanced programs racist because too many asians, so eliminate them" (I am white). Sorry, you lost me and I hope you lose others with your race baiting

And yet you’re perfectly fine with Donald’s position on race? OK cool. We know now not to give a flying F**k what you think.

Did I say I was okay with his position on race? lol. I never voted for him or any republican so they didn't lose my vote, genius

Anonymous wrote:The democrats lost my vote in the past couple of years. I voted democrat on EVERY single ticket since Bush v. Gore, but I have not voted since painfully casting a vote for Hilary nor do I intend to ever again. I can't in good conscience vote for a party who comes to conclusions like, "Advanced programs racist because too many asians, so eliminate them" (I am white). Sorry, you lost me and I hope you lose others with your race baiting

And yet you’re perfectly fine with Donald’s position on race? OK cool. We know now not to give a flying F**k what you think.

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Anonymous wrote:Fairfax:
Biden 70%, Trump 28%
McAuliffe 64%, Youngkin 34%

Arlington:
Biden 81%, Trump 17%
McAuliffe 76%, Youngkin 22%

Loudoun:
Biden 61%, Trump 36%
McAuliffe 54%, Youngkin 44%

Prince William:
Biden 62%, Trump 35%
McAuliffe 58%, Youngkin 41%

Youngkin was able to pick off a few suburban voters who were scared of the Democrats on education.

This exactly, particularly out in Loudoun. Youngkin had tables out and a very organized presence at pretty much every family-oriented Loudoun event, staffed by families, and they were pushing the education line.

This election very much reminds me of the 2016 general election in terms of presence. Not that Trump won in Virginia but you simply don't feel the campaigning effort by McAullife. Not that either had a positive policy message, but at Youngkin's message was a tangible issue while McAullife's message was all about Trump. Thing is, the only group is bringing up Trump are the Dems and the Lincoln Project grifters while Youngkin (who is clearly a corporatist moderate R RINO) constantly tries to weasel his way out of ties with Trump since the primaries.

In both 2016 and this year, Round Hill (western loudoun, went for Youngkin) definitely saw tons of campaigning from the Republicans. This time it was all education-focused. RH has good schools and has a lot of people who left other areas "for the schools" so they were playing into that.

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Anonymous wrote:What was the differential between Biden 2020 and McAuliffe yesterday in the relevant NOVA areas?

Anyone have that off hand? That is the key to how much the schools mattered.

I believe Youngkin was running around 3-5 percentage points ahead of Biden 2020 in most of NoVa. All it takes is a few percentage points in a close race. People are pissed about the school issues.

And it’s misplaced. The issue was National response to a pandemic, and the virus itself. But let’s blame the schools.

It's easy to blame the schools when friends and relatives in other states (including deep blue ones) have kids in school

Which states? Some of my friends' kids didn't go back until AFTER our kids went back.

Massachusetts, Connecticut, Upstate NY, Maine, Vermont

And add RI and Philly suburbs (i.e. back before). Basically it was just CA, DC, MoCo and NoVa out at some point.

My Philly suburb friends' kids were going back at the same time.

My in-laws Philly suburb kids went back WAY before we had that option here in LoCo.

Same. My Philly suburb relatives went back in hybrid mode in November.

I say this as a lifelong D - who is now a somewhat disgruntled and definitely a centrist D, but a D nonetheless and one who voted for McAuliffe. I say this to try to HELP the D party - I really hope this is a wake up call. This is for all the people who say in this thread that CRT is not being taught in schools and that people are so dumb to think it is!!! (And I'm looking at the mainstream media here too - I see it in their articles too). You need to read this op-ed. This is the real truth about what is happening, and ignorning it is how Youngkin got elected (that and totally underestimating how big of a deal it was to regular people to close school buildings for a year).

You'll probably poo poo Ross Douthat as being conservative, but I say keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.

Republicans Schooled the Left in Virginia
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/03/opinion/virginia-democrats-republicans.html

"In the Virginia race, the script for both candidates was straightforward and consistent: Glenn Youngkin attacked critical race theory, combining it with a larger attack on how the education bureaucracy has handled the Covid pandemic, while McAuliffe denied that anything like C.R.T. was being taught in Virginia schools and also insisted that the whole controversy was a racist dog whistle.

The problem with the McAuliffe strategy is that it fell back on technicalities — as in, yes, fourth graders in the Commonwealth of Virginia are presumably not being assigned the academic works of Derrick Bell — while evading the context that has made this issue part of a polarizing national debate."

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"Critical race theory is an imperfect term for this movement, too narrow and specialized to capture its full complexity. But a new form of racecraft clearly lies close to the heart of the new progressivism, with the somewhat different, somewhat overlapping ideas of figures like Ibram X. Kendi and Robin DiAngelo enjoying particular influence. And that influence extends into schools and public-education bureaucracies, where Kendi and DiAngelo and their epigones often show up on resources recommended to educators — like the racial-equity reading list sent around in 2019 by one state educational superintendent, for instance, which recommended both DiAngelo’s “White Fragility” and an academic treatise titled “Foundations of Critical Race Theory in Education.”

That superintendent was responsible for Virginia’s public schools."