Anonymous wrote:The MOU is about as valuable as the piece of paper it was written on:

Israel is going to do everything it can to blow this up. Let’s see if Trump has any balls and tells Bibi he’s cut off from US funds and weapons. Bet he doesn’t.

The MOU is about as valuable as the piece of paper it was written on:

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Anonymous wrote:I think what we are losing sight of is that while this might feel like “just another” middle eastern fight it’s actually between two *very* different countries. On the one hand, you have Israel, and a lot of the people there are Jewish and speak Hebrew. On the other hand, you have Iran, and a lot of people there are Muslim and speak Farsi. (I know what you’re thinking—yes, Farsi! Although Arabic is really popular in the Middle East, Iran actually didn’t adopt it—they stuck with Farsi!) how will this end??? Your guess is as good as mine!

Well a quick game of numbers would indicate Iran would beat Israel. Israel has what? 9 million people, 20% of those are Arabs or immigrants (non Jews). Another 10% are orthodox or ex pats who don’t fight. A large number are also elderly or above 50 and can’t fight. Women and children also cannot fight. What does that leave them with? You see why they want the US to fight their war? They also have two to three territories they have to occupy (the West Bank, Gaza, and now Lebanon).

For some reason, Netanyahu is confident that all of these fronts are sustainable despite Israel’s declining population which supersedes or matches the hundreds of thousands killed or missing in Gaza.

Iran has 90 million people. Even with a refugee crisis to Europe, they still have a significant advantage militarily over Israel. Tehran has 8 million to 10 million people-the same population of the entire country of Israel. Take out population and just discuss Land mass and area. Israelis cannot fight Iran. They can fight Lebanon which is why they’re there. They don’t start fights they cannot win. They expect us to do it. Even Israel’s assumption that they at least had air superiority over Iran fell in flames (literally) as Irans cheap ballistic missiles were able to destroy Israeli infrastructure, hurt their economy, take lives, and also leave the country in underground bunkers. The iron dome and all the other seven air defense/missile defense systems they have failed

That’s not true. They are still fighting in Gaza and they are back in Lebanon where they got their butts kick for 12 years. The drone warfare are hurt the IDF. Teh drone tech will only improve with active use.

Anyone who is a student of history knows Israel and America are following the same pattern as the fall of Judea and Roman Empire (respectfully). The Roman Empire took over the entire Middle East (turkey, Israel, Egypt, North Africa, the entire Levant) but failed to take Persia/iran.

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Anonymous wrote:JD Vance to Israel opposing the MOU

"My response to them would be: What is your exact proposal? You’re a country of 9 million people. You can’t just kill your way out of solving every single national security problem that you have."

Vance might want to be careful with his words, Charlie Kirk said something similar

Killing has worked for them for all their history

That's true, no point in stopping now when they want to clean out Gaza and Lebanon of what they view as lesser human beings.

But rather than face reality, they believe in their own national mythology (which is rather impressive) that Israel will always win every war and Israel will always have favor by God and the USA and in that order.
Things don’t always work out that way and their own history shows the past 2 Israeli kingdoms started to decline significantly due to war around the eighty year mark. Israel is 78 years old right now. Just celebrated 78 years last month in may

Anonymous wrote:I think what we are losing sight of is that while this might feel like “just another” middle eastern fight it’s actually between two *very* different countries. On the one hand, you have Israel, and a lot of the people there are Jewish and speak Hebrew. On the other hand, you have Iran, and a lot of people there are Muslim and speak Farsi. (I know what you’re thinking—yes, Farsi! Although Arabic is really popular in the Middle East, Iran actually didn’t adopt it—they stuck with Farsi!) how will this end??? Your guess is as good as mine!

Well a quick game of numbers would indicate Iran would beat Israel. Israel has what? 9 million people, 20% of those are Arabs or immigrants (non Jews). Another 10% are orthodox or ex pats who don’t fight. A large number are also elderly or above 50 and can’t fight. Women and children also cannot fight. What does that leave them with? You see why they want the US to fight their war? They also have two to three territories they have to occupy (the West Bank, Gaza, and now Lebanon).

For some reason, Netanyahu is confident that all of these fronts are sustainable despite Israel’s declining population which supersedes or matches the hundreds of thousands killed or missing in Gaza.

Iran has 90 million people. Even with a refugee crisis to Europe, they still have a significant advantage militarily over Israel. Tehran has 8 million to 10 million people-the same population of the entire country of Israel. Take out population and just discuss Land mass and area. Israelis cannot fight Iran. They can fight Lebanon which is why they’re there. They don’t start fights they cannot win. They expect us to do it. Even Israel’s assumption that they at least had air superiority over Iran fell in flames (literally) as Irans cheap ballistic missiles were able to destroy Israeli infrastructure, hurt their economy, take lives, and also leave the country in underground bunkers. The iron dome and all the other seven air defense/missile defense systems they have failed

Anonymous wrote:I think what we are losing sight of is that while this might feel like “just another” middle eastern fight it’s actually between two *very* different countries. On the one hand, you have Israel, and a lot of the people there are Jewish and speak Hebrew. On the other hand, you have Iran, and a lot of people there are Muslim and speak Farsi. (I know what you’re thinking—yes, Farsi! Although Arabic is really popular in the Middle East, Iran actually didn’t adopt it—they stuck with Farsi!) how will this end??? Your guess is as good as mine!

Throughout history Iran/Persia has always been a regional power. It’s is a large country with a large population and natural resources. Iran has been suppressed as a regional power for 47 years. Iran is naturally taking its place back. Israel is a small country in an area that has never been a regional power base with no natural resources. Israel power is based on US support. How this ends is Israel will be greatly reduced as a power in the region. That is the nature state of the region.

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Anonymous wrote:China will become the new protectorate of the middle east and the Yuan will be the new international reserve currency.

Donald can proudly proclaim "I did this"

It won’t work because trust fund Arabs can’t party and yacht in China like they can in the west. They will never support China as a business partner. Communism was the mortal enemy of Arabs. The idea of losing thwir wealth and state religion to the idea of equity is NOT what they believe. They believe in capitalism and therefore will always align with America ans Europe. Ask someone who knows. For a long time they used to send their kids in America to Christian schools before Islamic schools were a thing

lol sure. China is already there and doing deals. The oil will flow and Iran will be paid based on the oil flowing. It is much easier to just pay people/countries off, give those people/countries a monetary reason to open the strait and have the money piles up in your banks.

The gulf states production cost for a barrel of oil is $6-$10. Paying a $3 per barrel tax/fee to Iran means you make $62-$66 a barrel on 20 million barrels a day with the current price of $75 a barrel. The alternative is to make nothing.

What would you do? Oh don’t think to long because if you are the one stopping $1.24 billion day you will not be there long.

I think what we are losing sight of is that while this might feel like “just another” middle eastern fight it’s actually between two *very* different countries. On the one hand, you have Israel, and a lot of the people there are Jewish and speak Hebrew. On the other hand, you have Iran, and a lot of people there are Muslim and speak Farsi. (I know what you’re thinking—yes, Farsi! Although Arabic is really popular in the Middle East, Iran actually didn’t adopt it—they stuck with Farsi!) how will this end??? Your guess is as good as mine!

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Anonymous wrote:After the president said yesterday that if he had not struck a deal, “the alternative would be a worldwide depression”, one House Republican told Politico:

The president didn’t mean to, but he effectively acknowledged he lost the war. It’s no longer worth the economic price.”

This is exactly why 45 years of American presidents never invaded Iran. Why would anyone invade a country in the Middle East and Central Asia that’s not practically landlocked ala Iraq Afghanistan? The ports alone affect the global economy which is exactly the case here. This is also why the Us could never really win in Somalia and yemen despite both being third world countries.

Technically Gaza is supposed to be a big port as well but Israel blocks it.

Pre-2017 we had mostly fit and normal presidents. Trump is not those things.

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Anonymous wrote:The details being discussed right now have absolutely nothing for the US in this agreement.

Sad.

There is Peace for USA.

We had that before he started the war. So, he started a war, surrendered, and is now sending our money to the country that defeated us.

ART OF THE DEAL.

It is Iranian money that was kept here that we are going to send back.
Everyone who was against the start of the Iran war now should support the end of the war.

That's different. Iran gets $300B for reparations AND unfrozen assets (probably +interest). We were told Trump was a deal maker playing 4d chess. This is pure surrender.

Consequences of this war will be born by US population. What consequences is Trump facing? I say we cut into the $300B by seizing Trump assets.

Again - get a grip and educate yourself. The $300 billion is a reconstruction fund made up of private investors and companies from the Gulf countries and elsewhere around the world. The U.S. isn't paying Iran one cent. And Iran *only* has access to the fund if they comply with the rest of the agreement, to include no longer pursuing a nuclear weapon.

The frozen assets (no interest) belonged to Iran in the first place. I'd say this is a pretty good deal.

DP

Ok - keep telling yourself that.

Nobody trusts anything coming from Trump and his cronies so their assurances about the sourcing of the $300B is probably BS. Given the way Iran has been dogwalking Trump, not holding out too much hope that the final agreement will be any better. Iran still holds all the cards and Trump and his RE agent "negotiators" are out of their depth.

Still say that seizing Trump & family assets is a good way to pay down some of the costs of this excursion.

Ok, you're clearly not a serious person. This is a good deal, as long as Iran holds up their end of the bargain. That remains to be seen.

Given the contours of this agreement, why bother to have a war. Trump could have capitulated to Iran without spending hundreds of billions of military hardware and lives.

The US did not achieve a single one of the goals it stated were the reason for the war. All of our GCC allies no longer trust our security guarantee and will be looking elsewhere, likely china. The Iranians have come out of this with no more sanctions, release of $100B or so of frozen funds, $300B in investments, and permanent control of the SOH. There’s no way to spin this as anything but a disaster for the US.

I can spin it as " cut your losses" and move on.

Claiming you “cutting your losses” requires you to admit the loss.

As long as the Strait gets opened, I think he's just going to let this whole thing fade away in the news cycle. By summer, his plan will be for all of us to be talking about something else.

Exactly. American attention span is collective ADHD. Just like he moved Epstein off the minds of most Americans, by October 1, Americans will be saying what about the Iran war, my bacon is back on the table, and my Ford's tank is full.

Or it may be “support the troops” and yellow ribbons again after Israel attacks us in a false flag painted to be Iran. Iran gets the cash and more important global legitimacy now. They have zero reason to be mad at the Us or Trump.

Anonymous wrote:After the president said yesterday that if he had not struck a deal, “the alternative would be a worldwide depression”, one House Republican told Politico:

The president didn’t mean to, but he effectively acknowledged he lost the war. It’s no longer worth the economic price.”

This is exactly why 45 years of American presidents never invaded Iran. Why would anyone invade a country in the Middle East and Central Asia that’s not practically landlocked ala Iraq Afghanistan? The ports alone affect the global economy which is exactly the case here. This is also why the Us could never really win in Somalia and yemen despite both being third world countries.

Technically Gaza is supposed to be a big port as well but Israel blocks it.

Even the most anti American, Osama bin Laden, used to hate communism and he originally was supported by the us to fight communism/bring down the Soviet’s in Afghanistan with the Taliban and He actually did that. I think the problem occurred because he expected to be appointed president or something by the cia ala Syrian prez but he was paid dust post Cold War. The gulf war happened instead and he was mad amurica turned the weapons toward the Arabs

Anonymous wrote:China will become the new protectorate of the middle east and the Yuan will be the new international reserve currency.

Donald can proudly proclaim "I did this"

It won’t work because trust fund Arabs can’t party and yacht in China like they can in the west. They will never support China as a business partner. Communism was the mortal enemy of Arabs. The idea of losing thwir wealth and state religion to the idea of equity is NOT what they believe. They believe in capitalism and therefore will always align with America ans Europe. Ask someone who knows. For a long time they used to send their kids in America to Christian schools before Islamic schools were a thing