Anonymous
03/13/2022 11:08
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So that strike on Polish boarder was pretty close to Poland. Is NATO on that boarder? Are they going to reinforce it?
Also, IMO, the US does neo-nazi best and we have the most, hands down.
Nothing compared to Europe. Greece elected them into Parliament, with substantial share of the vote.
“Good people on both sides”
We had one that was president.
It’s still nothing compared to Europe. Please educate yourself.
I'm French. You're wrong. No country in western Europe has a neo-Nazi/white supremacist/racism problem like the USA, given that the previous American President supported them in office, which is shocking. However, every country has anti-semitism and xenophobia issues, to varying degrees, and it's worse in some eastern European countries than it others. The USA CANNOT give lessons here, given the consequences of slavery that still exists to this day, particularly in the south. I was heartened to see guilty verdicts in the Arbery case, but for every case like this, there are dozens more where perpetrators aren't even known or arrested, because there is no video evidence and their communities protect them.
Anonymous
03/13/2022 10:42
Subject: Re:US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:And before he became a president, he was a great comedian, like Jon Stewart or Stephen Colbert. This is one of his most famous videos (yes, it's not very polite, but it's very funny):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oua0Puihrkc
I think most great comedians are highly intelligent and have good understanding of human nature. Being able to focus an audience and keep that focus is no small part of their skill set. That package can certainly transfer well to the political realm. The question then becomes how well do those gifts serve the greater good? With Zelensky the answer is right there.
Anonymous
03/13/2022 10:24
Subject: Re:US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:NYT journalist killed in Irpin, Ukraine today by Russian soldiers. Shot in the head.
Desperately trying to draw the US in.
Apparently he was not on assignment
Anonymous
03/13/2022 10:20
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So that strike on Polish boarder was pretty close to Poland. Is NATO on that boarder? Are they going to reinforce it?
Also, IMO, the US does neo-nazi best and we have the most, hands down.
Nothing compared to Europe. Greece elected them into Parliament, with substantial share of the vote.
“Good people on both sides”
We had one that was president.
It’s still nothing compared to Europe. Please educate yourself.
Anonymous
03/13/2022 10:13
Subject: Re:US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NYT journalist killed in Irpin, Ukraine today by Russian soldiers. Shot in the head.
Desperately trying to draw the US in.
Any source on the details, PP? Thanks.
This Ukrainian journalist has seen pictures from the scene and says he was shot in the head. Apparently there were multiple Western journalists in that location or close by.
Anonymous
03/13/2022 10:06
Subject: Re:US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:NYT journalist killed in Irpin, Ukraine today by Russian soldiers. Shot in the head.
Desperately trying to draw the US in.
Any source on the details, PP? Thanks.
Anonymous
03/13/2022 10:05
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The Azov Battalion is real. Doesn’t mean Putin isn’t a crazy dictator, but it isn’t true that Ukraine has no neo Nazis.
Russia has them too.
Armed battalions with names and all?
Putin has private Nazi-run death squads. Look up Wagner PMC. It's led by Putin's friend Dmitri Utkin, a former Spetznaz officer and known neo-Nazi. Check out Utkin's tattoos - Nazi Reichsadler and SS insignia. He named his company "Wagner" after Hitler's favorite composer. Wagner is Russia's dirty work and private "plausible deniability" military operating in Syria, Central African Republic, Mali and many other hot spots. Wagner currently has hundreds of assassins in Ukraine trying to assassinate the Jewish president of Ukraine, who is the grandson of Holocaust survivors and who was popularly elected by the supposedly Nazi Ukrainians with solid 73% majority.
Zelensky is a grandson of a communist, a Red Army colonel.
Does that make his grandfather not Jewish? Does it change the fact that his grandfather’s father and brothers perished in the Holocaust? What’s your point?
Communists tend to be pointedly unreligious, which is exactly why many Jews fled from communist countries. Religion was forbidden in the USSR. The October Revolution predated WWII.
PP, I am not sure why you are making this point. Zelensky’s grandfather, who was Jewish, fought in World War II with the Soviet army and rose to the level of colonel. He survived - his three brothers and father were killed in the Holocaust. This is a very common WE2 story - Jewish men often joined the only available opposition to Nazis in some areas - The Red Army. Do you think it says something negative about Zelensky’s grandfather or Zelensky that he did that?
Yes, religion was forbidden in the Soviet Union. Yes, many Jews sought to leave Soviet countries. But, since Ukraine voted overwhelmingly in 1991 to leave the Soviet Union, religion has been an accepted part of Ukrainian life. Particularly since the Maidan, there is broad acceptance of all religions even Islam - among the people and between religious leaders. Ukrainians who elected Zelensky knew he was Jewish. Since Zelensky became president he has openly spoken about his family’s Jewish background and commemorated Ukraine’s victory over Naziism.
Ukraine, broadly speaking does not have a lot of neo-Nazis, but because of the war in the Donbas early groups like Azov battalion and Right Sector, received support because they were the early groups to use force to resist Russian efforts to keep control of Ukraine by manipulating Ukrainian politicians. Ukrainians, who were opposed to Russia, saw Right Sector and Azov as the only groups available to support. As the Ukrainian Army got more organized itself and created a Territorial Defense, it folded Azov into the command structure. At the time this was seen as a way to moderate neo-Nazi support and control and eventually weed neo-Nazis out. I think that’s been somewhat successful, and today’s Ukrainian army has no greater a Nazi problem than any other country in Europe. And certainly not such a Nazi problem that justifies a Russian invasion.
Just bumping your excellent explanation, PP. Thank you for taking the time to inform any posters that were unconvinced there are trolls here and on other threads, who wish to derail the conversation and fracture US unity during this conflict.
Also a reminder that you can use the report button any time you suspect that posts are created with the specific goal of spreading lies to confuse readers and deflect blame on the wrong people.
Anonymous
03/13/2022 09:45
Subject: Re:US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:NYT journalist killed in Irpin, Ukraine today by Russian soldiers. Shot in the head.
Desperately trying to draw the US in.
Don’t ever underestimate Vladimir Putin.
Anonymous
03/13/2022 09:37
Subject: Re:US has no good options in Ukraine
NYT journalist killed in Irpin, Ukraine today by Russian soldiers. Shot in the head.
Desperately trying to draw the US in.
Desperately trying to draw the US in.
Anonymous
03/13/2022 09:36
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The Azov Battalion is real. Doesn’t mean Putin isn’t a crazy dictator, but it isn’t true that Ukraine has no neo Nazis.
Russia has them too.
Armed battalions with names and all?
Putin has private Nazi-run death squads. Look up Wagner PMC. It's led by Putin's friend Dmitri Utkin, a former Spetznaz officer and known neo-Nazi. Check out Utkin's tattoos - Nazi Reichsadler and SS insignia. He named his company "Wagner" after Hitler's favorite composer. Wagner is Russia's dirty work and private "plausible deniability" military operating in Syria, Central African Republic, Mali and many other hot spots. Wagner currently has hundreds of assassins in Ukraine trying to assassinate the Jewish president of Ukraine, who is the grandson of Holocaust survivors and who was popularly elected by the supposedly Nazi Ukrainians with solid 73% majority.
Many Jews embraced the revolution too. The tzarist regime wasn’t exactly nice to them and the revolution, on paper , declared equality.
Zelensky is a grandson of a communist, a Red Army colonel.
Does that make his grandfather not Jewish? Does it change the fact that his grandfather’s father and brothers perished in the Holocaust? What’s your point?
Communists tend to be pointedly unreligious, which is exactly why many Jews fled from communist countries. Religion was forbidden in the USSR. The October Revolution predated WWII.
Anonymous
03/13/2022 09:34
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The Azov Battalion is real. Doesn’t mean Putin isn’t a crazy dictator, but it isn’t true that Ukraine has no neo Nazis.
Russia has them too.
Armed battalions with names and all?
Putin has private Nazi-run death squads. Look up Wagner PMC. It's led by Putin's friend Dmitri Utkin, a former Spetznaz officer and known neo-Nazi. Check out Utkin's tattoos - Nazi Reichsadler and SS insignia. He named his company "Wagner" after Hitler's favorite composer. Wagner is Russia's dirty work and private "plausible deniability" military operating in Syria, Central African Republic, Mali and many other hot spots. Wagner currently has hundreds of assassins in Ukraine trying to assassinate the Jewish president of Ukraine, who is the grandson of Holocaust survivors and who was popularly elected by the supposedly Nazi Ukrainians with solid 73% majority.
Zelensky is a grandson of a communist, a Red Army colonel.
Does that make his grandfather not Jewish? Does it change the fact that his grandfather’s father and brothers perished in the Holocaust? What’s your point?
Communists tend to be pointedly unreligious, which is exactly why many Jews fled from communist countries. Religion was forbidden in the USSR. The October Revolution predated WWII.
PP, I am not sure why you are making this point. Zelensky’s grandfather, who was Jewish, fought in World War II with the Soviet army and rose to the level of colonel. He survived - his three brothers and father were killed in the Holocaust. This is a very common WE2 story - Jewish men often joined the only available opposition to Nazis in some areas - The Red Army. Do you think it says something negative about Zelensky’s grandfather or Zelensky that he did that?
Yes, religion was forbidden in the Soviet Union. Yes, many Jews sought to leave Soviet countries. But, since Ukraine voted overwhelmingly in 1991 to leave the Soviet Union, religion has been an accepted part of Ukrainian life. Particularly since the Maidan, there is broad acceptance of all religions even Islam - among the people and between religious leaders. Ukrainians who elected Zelensky knew he was Jewish. Since Zelensky became president he has openly spoken about his family’s Jewish background and commemorated Ukraine’s victory over Naziism.
Ukraine, broadly speaking does not have a lot of neo-Nazis, but because of the war in the Donbas early groups like Azov battalion and Right Sector, received support because they were the early groups to use force to resist Russian efforts to keep control of Ukraine by manipulating Ukrainian politicians. Ukrainians, who were opposed to Russia, saw Right Sector and Azov as the only groups available to support. As the Ukrainian Army got more organized itself and created a Territorial Defense, it folded Azov into the command structure. At the time this was seen as a way to moderate neo-Nazi support and control and eventually weed neo-Nazis out. I think that’s been somewhat successful, and today’s Ukrainian army has no greater a Nazi problem than any other country in Europe. And certainly not such a Nazi problem that justifies a Russian invasion.
Anonymous
03/13/2022 08:57
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So that strike on Polish boarder was pretty close to Poland. Is NATO on that boarder? Are they going to reinforce it?
Also, IMO, the US does neo-nazi best and we have the most, hands down.
Nothing compared to Europe. Greece elected them into Parliament, with substantial share of the vote.
“Good people on both sides”
We had one that was president.
Anonymous
03/13/2022 08:55
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:So that strike on Polish boarder was pretty close to Poland. Is NATO on that boarder? Are they going to reinforce it?
Also, IMO, the US does neo-nazi best and we have the most, hands down.
Nothing compared to Europe. Greece elected them into Parliament, with substantial share of the vote.
Anonymous
03/13/2022 08:47
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
So that strike on Polish boarder was pretty close to Poland. Is NATO on that boarder? Are they going to reinforce it?
Also, IMO, the US does neo-nazi best and we have the most, hands down.
Also, IMO, the US does neo-nazi best and we have the most, hands down.