Anonymous
05/19/2022 08:28
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am sickened by what is happening to the U.S.
Yes, millions of babies, many from Black and Hispanic families, being aborted.
Millions of living, breathing WOMEN who were safely able to end their pregnancy.
Millions of WOMEN who weren't forced to continue a pregnancy or give birth against their will.
Millions of WOMEN who were able to make medical decisions with their doctors without religious fanatics forcing their beliefs on them.
I'm a woman. MOST women out of the 60+ million who aborted their babies werent forced to have sex, get pregnant, and have medical issues. Many of those women need to think smarter and quit using abortion as a means to get rid of a baby.
In every case, these women got pregnant when they didn’t want to be. No birth control is 100% effective, or even medically possible for some women. For example me. I cannot take hormonal birth control. Im married with children. I cannot risk pregnancy again, I would be terrified if I became pregnant again. But barring never having sex with my husband again, it could happen. I would choose abortion. Many women find themselves in similar situations. Accidents happen. Abortion need to be available, particularly in the first trimester. This ruling would take that option away. It is unacceptable and dangerous. A women’s reasons are her own business.
60+ million abortions did not occur for the types of circumstances you noted. Too many occur for no other reason than precautions not taken.
Hey, forced birther - the GOP just voted down help to get baby formula. Forced birthers clearly just think of pregnancy and children as punishments.
The persons who think like you are the ones viewing babies as punishment.
Anonymous
05/19/2022 08:20
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am sickened by what is happening to the U.S.
Yes, millions of babies, many from Black and Hispanic families, being aborted.
Millions of living, breathing WOMEN who were safely able to end their pregnancy.
Millions of WOMEN who weren't forced to continue a pregnancy or give birth against their will.
Millions of WOMEN who were able to make medical decisions with their doctors without religious fanatics forcing their beliefs on them.
I'm a woman. MOST women out of the 60+ million who aborted their babies werent forced to have sex, get pregnant, and have medical issues. Many of those women need to think smarter and quit using abortion as a means to get rid of a baby.
In every case, these women got pregnant when they didn’t want to be. No birth control is 100% effective, or even medically possible for some women. For example me. I cannot take hormonal birth control. Im married with children. I cannot risk pregnancy again, I would be terrified if I became pregnant again. But barring never having sex with my husband again, it could happen. I would choose abortion. Many women find themselves in similar situations. Accidents happen. Abortion need to be available, particularly in the first trimester. This ruling would take that option away. It is unacceptable and dangerous. A women’s reasons are her own business.
60+ million abortions did not occur for the types of circumstances you noted. Too many occur for no other reason than precautions not taken.
Hey, forced birther - the GOP just voted down help to get baby formula. Forced birthers clearly just think of pregnancy and children as punishments.
Anonymous
05/19/2022 08:18
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am sickened by what is happening to the U.S.
Yes, millions of babies, many from Black and Hispanic families, being aborted.
Millions of living, breathing WOMEN who were safely able to end their pregnancy.
Millions of WOMEN who weren't forced to continue a pregnancy or give birth against their will.
Millions of WOMEN who were able to make medical decisions with their doctors without religious fanatics forcing their beliefs on them.
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I'm a woman. MOST women out of the 60+ million who aborted their babies werent forced to have sex, get pregnant, and have medical issues. Many of those women need to think smarter and quit using abortion as a means to get rid of a baby.
In every case, these women got pregnant when they didn’t want to be. No birth control is 100% effective, or even medically possible for some women. For example me. I cannot take hormonal birth control. Im married with children. I cannot risk pregnancy again, I would be terrified if I became pregnant again. But barring never having sex with my husband again, it could happen. I would choose abortion. Many women find themselves in similar situations. Accidents happen. Abortion need to be available, particularly in the first trimester. This ruling would take that option away. It is unacceptable and dangerous. A women’s reasons are her own business.
60+ million abortions did not occur for the types of circumstances you noted. Too many occur for no other reason than precautions not taken.
Anonymous
05/19/2022 08:06
Subject: Re:“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:House Republicans starting the push for a national abortion ban:
https://rollcall.com/2022/05/18/house-judiciary-committee-debates-future-of-abortion-rights/
Yep.
Wake up, GOP voters.
Anonymous
05/18/2022 22:12
Subject: Re:“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
House Republicans starting the push for a national abortion ban:
https://rollcall.com/2022/05/18/house-judiciary-committee-debates-future-of-abortion-rights/
https://rollcall.com/2022/05/18/house-judiciary-committee-debates-future-of-abortion-rights/
Anonymous
05/18/2022 20:01
Subject: Re:“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
In Hinduism, the life of the mother is to be saved over the fetus if in danger from pregnancy.
We saw how this played out in Ireland with the killing of Savita Halappanavar, when the hospital refused to abort the baby even though the mother would die and the baby would die anyway. The doctors told her it was Catholic country even though she and her husband begged to save her life because it within their religious belief that the mother's life should be saved and that she was not an Irish citizen.
She wanted a baby, she would have gotten pregnant again and hopefully had another baby, maybe more, and they would all be alive. But instead, pro-life extremists felt it was better for both mother and baby to die.
Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, and any other religion with beliefs that would be violated by the overturning of Roe should band together for a counter lawsuit.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/apr/08/abortion-refusal-death-ireland-hindu-woman
We saw how this played out in Ireland with the killing of Savita Halappanavar, when the hospital refused to abort the baby even though the mother would die and the baby would die anyway. The doctors told her it was Catholic country even though she and her husband begged to save her life because it within their religious belief that the mother's life should be saved and that she was not an Irish citizen.
She wanted a baby, she would have gotten pregnant again and hopefully had another baby, maybe more, and they would all be alive. But instead, pro-life extremists felt it was better for both mother and baby to die.
Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, and any other religion with beliefs that would be violated by the overturning of Roe should band together for a counter lawsuit.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/apr/08/abortion-refusal-death-ireland-hindu-woman
Anonymous
05/18/2022 19:50
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am sickened by what is happening to the U.S.
Yes, millions of babies, many from Black and Hispanic families, being aborted.
Millions of living, breathing WOMEN who were safely able to end their pregnancy.
Millions of WOMEN who weren't forced to continue a pregnancy or give birth against their will.
Millions of WOMEN who were able to make medical decisions with their doctors without religious fanatics forcing their beliefs on them.
I'm a woman. MOST women out of the 60+ million who aborted their babies werent forced to have sex, get pregnant, and have medical issues. Many of those women need to think smarter and quit using abortion as a means to get rid of a baby.
Sorry, you don't get to insert yourself into a decision between a woman and her doctor. You don't get to force your will on women's bodies.
There are many laws that we may or may not like. I'm not forcing my will on you.
Yes, you are. You want to FORCE your extremist religious beliefs on all women's (and children's) bodies. Against their will.
And YOU want YOUR views to be the law.
No she wants basic human autonomy.
Exactly. I want to make decisions about my own body and life without other forcing their religious views on me.
Anonymous
05/18/2022 19:45
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am sickened by what is happening to the U.S.
Yes, millions of babies, many from Black and Hispanic families, being aborted.
If you believe in god, god killed 3 of my babies by miscarriage. You want to save babies? Pump money into preventing the 25% of pregnancies that end in miscarriage. God is a far more prolific killer of fetuses than abortion doctors.
In fact if you count all the conceptions that don't make it past a couple weeks, it's much higher than 25%. At least 50%. Definitely a weird thing to do, to create all those "persons" and then let them die. Does an embryo soul go straight to heaven?
Anonymous
05/18/2022 19:15
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am sickened by what is happening to the U.S.
Yes, millions of babies, many from Black and Hispanic families, being aborted.
Millions of living, breathing WOMEN who were safely able to end their pregnancy.
Millions of WOMEN who weren't forced to continue a pregnancy or give birth against their will.
Millions of WOMEN who were able to make medical decisions with their doctors without religious fanatics forcing their beliefs on them.
I'm a woman. MOST women out of the 60+ million who aborted their babies werent forced to have sex, get pregnant, and have medical issues. Many of those women need to think smarter and quit using abortion as a means to get rid of a baby.
Sorry, you don't get to insert yourself into a decision between a woman and her doctor. You don't get to force your will on women's bodies.
There are many laws that we may or may not like. I'm not forcing my will on you.
Yes, you are. You want to FORCE your extremist religious beliefs on all women's (and children's) bodies. Against their will.
And YOU want YOUR views to be the law.
No she wants basic human autonomy.
+1
Anonymous
05/18/2022 18:44
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am sickened by what is happening to the U.S.
Yes, millions of babies, many from Black and Hispanic families, being aborted.
Millions of living, breathing WOMEN who were safely able to end their pregnancy.
Millions of WOMEN who weren't forced to continue a pregnancy or give birth against their will.
Millions of WOMEN who were able to make medical decisions with their doctors without religious fanatics forcing their beliefs on them.
I'm a woman. MOST women out of the 60+ million who aborted their babies werent forced to have sex, get pregnant, and have medical issues. Many of those women need to think smarter and quit using abortion as a means to get rid of a baby.
Sorry, you don't get to insert yourself into a decision between a woman and her doctor. You don't get to force your will on women's bodies.
There are many laws that we may or may not like. I'm not forcing my will on you.
Yes, you are. You want to FORCE your extremist religious beliefs on all women's (and children's) bodies. Against their will.
And YOU want YOUR views to be the law.
No she wants basic human autonomy.
Anonymous
05/18/2022 18:35
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am sickened by what is happening to the U.S.
Yes, millions of babies, many from Black and Hispanic families, being aborted.
Millions of living, breathing WOMEN who were safely able to end their pregnancy.
Millions of WOMEN who weren't forced to continue a pregnancy or give birth against their will.
Millions of WOMEN who were able to make medical decisions with their doctors without religious fanatics forcing their beliefs on them.
I'm a woman. MOST women out of the 60+ million who aborted their babies werent forced to have sex, get pregnant, and have medical issues. Many of those women need to think smarter and quit using abortion as a means to get rid of a baby.
Sorry, you don't get to insert yourself into a decision between a woman and her doctor. You don't get to force your will on women's bodies.
There are many laws that we may or may not like. I'm not forcing my will on you.
Yes, you are. You want to FORCE your extremist religious beliefs on all women's (and children's) bodies. Against their will.
And YOU want YOUR views to be the law.
Anonymous
05/18/2022 17:45
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am sickened by what is happening to the U.S.
Yes, millions of babies, many from Black and Hispanic families, being aborted.
Millions of living, breathing WOMEN who were safely able to end their pregnancy.
Millions of WOMEN who weren't forced to continue a pregnancy or give birth against their will.
Millions of WOMEN who were able to make medical decisions with their doctors without religious fanatics forcing their beliefs on them.
[/qu
I'm a woman. MOST women out of the 60+ million who aborted their babies werent forced to have sex, get pregnant, and have medical issues. Many of those women need to think smarter and quit using abortion as a means to get rid of a baby.
In every case, these women got pregnant when they didn’t want to be. No birth control is 100% effective, or even medically possible for some women. For example me. I cannot take hormonal birth control. Im married with children. I cannot risk pregnancy again, I would be terrified if I became pregnant again. But barring never having sex with my husband again, it could happen. I would choose abortion. Many women find themselves in similar situations. Accidents happen. Abortion need to be available, particularly in the first trimester. This ruling would take that option away. It is unacceptable and dangerous. A women’s reasons are her own business.
Anonymous
05/18/2022 17:05
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am sickened by what is happening to the U.S.
Yes, millions of babies, many from Black and Hispanic families, being aborted.
Millions of living, breathing WOMEN who were safely able to end their pregnancy.
Millions of WOMEN who weren't forced to continue a pregnancy or give birth against their will.
Millions of WOMEN who were able to make medical decisions with their doctors without religious fanatics forcing their beliefs on them.
I'm a woman. MOST women out of the 60+ million who aborted their babies werent forced to have sex, get pregnant, and have medical issues. Many of those women need to think smarter and quit using abortion as a means to get rid of a baby.
Sorry, you don't get to insert yourself into a decision between a woman and her doctor. You don't get to force your will on women's bodies.
There are many laws that we may or may not like. I'm not forcing my will on you.
Yes, you are. You want to FORCE your extremist religious beliefs on all women's (and children's) bodies. Against their will.
Anonymous
05/18/2022 16:45
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If this opinion stands, I’m looking forward to Robert’s dissent. It better be good. And then we need to expand the court. Alito’s opinion is the most radical I’ve read.
This is the most favorable it will be for a while for democrats. They haven't expanded the court and they will do nothing in response to this ruling other than bloviate
What would you suggest Democrats do instead at this point?
There is no right to an abortion in the U.S. Constitution. Assuming this is simply "women's health" per se, all health laws are matters of state law. Hence, each state has its own abortion law. What do democrats do? Work within our democratic process to get state abortion laws you want. Just like was done very recently in NY, attempted in VA. You vote, and you lobby to get the state laws you want. If you don't like your state, you move.
There was no right to abortion because every state/colony allowed it at the time so there was no need. Any abortion restriction would have been completely unenforceable anyway, since you have to violate so many rights to privacy to prove that it happened. Abortion has always been around. The Roe vs Wade made the choice that it was better to codify it as legal rather than have millions of women doing it illegally and possibly dieing or being harmed. That’s where the equal protection clause in the 14th amendment applied since men faced no such restriction.
How is enforceable now in reality? The motivation to not continue with an unwanted pregnancy is very strong with very good reason. It just goes underground again. So backwards and ridiculous to revisit the right to safe and legal abortions.
The right to safe, legal abortions will be lost. No law can completely ban something...people will always break the law and do it anyway. But criminalizing a life-saving medical procedure is simply barbaric.
It really is, and dooms many children to lose their mothers to the last baby.
Anonymous
05/18/2022 16:42
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If this opinion stands, I’m looking forward to Robert’s dissent. It better be good. And then we need to expand the court. Alito’s opinion is the most radical I’ve read.
This is the most favorable it will be for a while for democrats. They haven't expanded the court and they will do nothing in response to this ruling other than bloviate
What would you suggest Democrats do instead at this point?
There is no right to an abortion in the U.S. Constitution. Assuming this is simply "women's health" per se, all health laws are matters of state law. Hence, each state has its own abortion law. What do democrats do? Work within our democratic process to get state abortion laws you want. Just like was done very recently in NY, attempted in VA. You vote, and you lobby to get the state laws you want. If you don't like your state, you move.
There was no right to abortion because every state/colony allowed it at the time so there was no need. Any abortion restriction would have been completely unenforceable anyway, since you have to violate so many rights to privacy to prove that it happened. Abortion has always been around. The Roe vs Wade made the choice that it was better to codify it as legal rather than have millions of women doing it illegally and possibly dieing or being harmed. That’s where the equal protection clause in the 14th amendment applied since men faced no such restriction.
How is enforceable now in reality? The motivation to not continue with an unwanted pregnancy is very strong with very good reason. It just goes underground again. So backwards and ridiculous to revisit the right to safe and legal abortions.
The right to safe, legal abortions will be lost. No law can completely ban something...people will always break the law and do it anyway. But criminalizing a life-saving medical procedure is simply barbaric.