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Anonymous wrote:I don't think a party can win by constantly demeaning and talking down to anyone who disagrees even the slightest bit with the party taking points. Purity tests don't work for either party. Small, incremental wins that makes people's lives better...pretty simple.

It seems to work pretty well for Republicans, which is interesting.

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Anonymous wrote:We should rename Election Day as Squirrel Day in homage to the silliness on this forum.

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That thread disappeared, sadly. I am happy that a few people remembered!

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Anonymous wrote:So the key to winning elections is to coddle voters and just tell them what they want to hear?

Unfortunately, for a lot of people the answer is yes. They are not interested in doing the work of learning about policy and understanding the candidates’ positions, they just want someone who will tell them what they want to hear regardless of whether it’s grounded in reality.

Sure seems that way.

And maybe some people are angry about various real issues and misdirected their anger in an irrational way.

Why do we let the proles vote anyway?

It's not just proles. Well, unless you consider everyone who isn't a billionaire a prole. Maybe we are.

Proles are anyone that are not in the political class. Our politicians should be appointed by other politicians. That's the only safe way to government democratically.

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IMO they shot themselves in the foot by closing school. What an impact they made on so many people day in and day out for a year. I certainly hope it is a case study for the future.

They made informed, reasonable decisions based on the info we had and resources available. You think we have staffing issues now? Imagine if you forced teachers in last fall before the vaccine and as numbers were skyrocketing.

Our schools (local, not state) didn’t just say F it and send kids back in.

Sorry that pisses you off so much that you had to vote for a Trump Republican.

I voted D like I always do but your attitude is exactly why the Rs won and I’ve been saying that.
I also remember that Northam allowed schools to open hybrid in August 2020 and Fairfax had some of the best corona numbers in the state - not the worst - such that we should have considered being more conservative than he allowed with school reopening. And I also didn’t forget that the Dept of Health approved of the hybrid plan as well.

So you’re pissed at FCPS?

I am just telling you where the people are so the Ds don’t miss the mark next time.

Most of the parents don't remember the nuance of what the governor approved vs. what happened. All they saw is that public schools weren't open for most of 2020-2021, while private schools did open full time.

I agree.

Agree too (Dem voter). This wasn’t the only issue, but one of the big ones. I fear my party is getting a set of alternative facts (like all the PPs set on arguing that Nova schools were opening just as early as the rest of the country??) Voting Youngkin may have been a stupid way to “punish” school boards, but it still was a strong motivation IMHO.

Here you go. Facts.

Post about this from Feb 2020:
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/105/951009.page
“Actually, based on the Burbio methodology, this says that *at most* ~40% of US student are in-person right now. Obviously, it's less than that since 100% of families are not choosing in-person.

https://about.burbio.com/methodology/
"• Burbio assigns a learning mode to a school district based on the most in-person option available to the general student population. Thus if a district offers both traditional and virtual options, the district is categorized as Traditional. " “

Hey out of state political activist.

We are talking about Virginia public schools, which were closed, vs Virginia private schools which were open.

Not 40% of schools in the US.

I’m a VA parent who saw this all go down. Don’t try to rewrite history.

DC areas schools sent kids back to the classroom around the same time as many other schools in the country. We weren’t an outlier.

Private schools had many more resources available to help them open. Mandates for testing, masking, traveling, etc. Plus, smaller classes and tons more space.

It’s pretty funny that Republicans keep pointing to private schools staying open as models of success when they were only able to be open because of policies Republicans oppose. Massive funding to keep class sizes small. Mandatory masking and testing. Mandatory vaccinations for teachers.

What's even more funny is that you think these are the only methods to keep schools open.

Just want to point out in the data that the stats on deceiving. At our school in hybrid, some kids were only in school 2 hours a week for an outdoor class to help them connect to peers. Others were in 4 days, but without a teacher and were learning on their tablets… but at school. My kids were the fortunate group to get 2 days a week with a teacher in person for the last two months of school. This was spun in the stats as 100% of kids being back in school.

This is versus privates, and red-state schools, where kids were in school, with teachers, 5 days a week.

It’s frustrating to be told kids were in school, they weren’t. And it’s frustrating to be told it couldn’t be done, when it was. It just wasn’t done here.

Sorry, the graph/data isn't more clear.

The yellow part is the hybrid. Red is virtual. And blue is full-time.

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Anonymous wrote:We should rename Election Day as Squirrel Day in homage to the silliness on this forum.

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IMO they shot themselves in the foot by closing school. What an impact they made on so many people day in and day out for a year. I certainly hope it is a case study for the future.

They made informed, reasonable decisions based on the info we had and resources available. You think we have staffing issues now? Imagine if you forced teachers in last fall before the vaccine and as numbers were skyrocketing.

Our schools (local, not state) didn’t just say F it and send kids back in.

Sorry that pisses you off so much that you had to vote for a Trump Republican.

I voted D like I always do but your attitude is exactly why the Rs won and I’ve been saying that.
I also remember that Northam allowed schools to open hybrid in August 2020 and Fairfax had some of the best corona numbers in the state - not the worst - such that we should have considered being more conservative than he allowed with school reopening. And I also didn’t forget that the Dept of Health approved of the hybrid plan as well.

So you’re pissed at FCPS?

I am just telling you where the people are so the Ds don’t miss the mark next time.

Most of the parents don't remember the nuance of what the governor approved vs. what happened. All they saw is that public schools weren't open for most of 2020-2021, while private schools did open full time.

I agree.

Agree too (Dem voter). This wasn’t the only issue, but one of the big ones. I fear my party is getting a set of alternative facts (like all the PPs set on arguing that Nova schools were opening just as early as the rest of the country??) Voting Youngkin may have been a stupid way to “punish” school boards, but it still was a strong motivation IMHO.

Here you go. Facts.

Post about this from Feb 2020:
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/105/951009.page
“Actually, based on the Burbio methodology, this says that *at most* ~40% of US student are in-person right now. Obviously, it's less than that since 100% of families are not choosing in-person.

https://about.burbio.com/methodology/
"• Burbio assigns a learning mode to a school district based on the most in-person option available to the general student population. Thus if a district offers both traditional and virtual options, the district is categorized as Traditional. " “

Hey out of state political activist.

We are talking about Virginia public schools, which were closed, vs Virginia private schools which were open.

Not 40% of schools in the US.

I’m a VA parent who saw this all go down. Don’t try to rewrite history.

DC areas schools sent kids back to the classroom around the same time as many other schools in the country. We weren’t an outlier.

Private schools had many more resources available to help them open. Mandates for testing, masking, traveling, etc. Plus, smaller classes and tons more space.

It’s pretty funny that Republicans keep pointing to private schools staying open as models of success when they were only able to be open because of policies Republicans oppose. Massive funding to keep class sizes small. Mandatory masking and testing. Mandatory vaccinations for teachers.

What's even more funny is that you think these are the only methods to keep schools open.

Just want to point out in the data that the stats on deceiving. At our school in hybrid, some kids were only in school 2 hours a week for an outdoor class to help them connect to peers. Others were in 4 days, but without a teacher and were learning on their tablets… but at school. My kids were the fortunate group to get 2 days a week with a teacher in person for the last two months of school. This was spun in the stats as 100% of kids being back in school.

This is versus privates, and red-state schools, where kids were in school, with teachers, 5 days a week.

It’s frustrating to be told kids were in school, they weren’t. And it’s frustrating to be told it couldn’t be done, when it was. It just wasn’t done here.

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IMO they shot themselves in the foot by closing school. What an impact they made on so many people day in and day out for a year. I certainly hope it is a case study for the future.

They made informed, reasonable decisions based on the info we had and resources available. You think we have staffing issues now? Imagine if you forced teachers in last fall before the vaccine and as numbers were skyrocketing.

Our schools (local, not state) didn’t just say F it and send kids back in.

Sorry that pisses you off so much that you had to vote for a Trump Republican.

I voted D like I always do but your attitude is exactly why the Rs won and I’ve been saying that.
I also remember that Northam allowed schools to open hybrid in August 2020 and Fairfax had some of the best corona numbers in the state - not the worst - such that we should have considered being more conservative than he allowed with school reopening. And I also didn’t forget that the Dept of Health approved of the hybrid plan as well.

So you’re pissed at FCPS?

I am just telling you where the people are so the Ds don’t miss the mark next time.

Most of the parents don't remember the nuance of what the governor approved vs. what happened. All they saw is that public schools weren't open for most of 2020-2021, while private schools did open full time.

I agree.

Agree too (Dem voter). This wasn’t the only issue, but one of the big ones. I fear my party is getting a set of alternative facts (like all the PPs set on arguing that Nova schools were opening just as early as the rest of the country??) Voting Youngkin may have been a stupid way to “punish” school boards, but it still was a strong motivation IMHO.

Here you go. Facts.

Post about this from Feb 2020:
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/105/951009.page
“Actually, based on the Burbio methodology, this says that *at most* ~40% of US student are in-person right now. Obviously, it's less than that since 100% of families are not choosing in-person.

https://about.burbio.com/methodology/
"• Burbio assigns a learning mode to a school district based on the most in-person option available to the general student population. Thus if a district offers both traditional and virtual options, the district is categorized as Traditional. " “

Hey out of state political activist.

We are talking about Virginia public schools, which were closed, vs Virginia private schools which were open.

Not 40% of schools in the US.

I’m a VA parent who saw this all go down. Don’t try to rewrite history.

DC areas schools sent kids back to the classroom around the same time as many other schools in the country. We weren’t an outlier.

Private schools had many more resources available to help them open. Mandates for testing, masking, traveling, etc. Plus, smaller classes and tons more space.

It’s pretty funny that Republicans keep pointing to private schools staying open as models of success when they were only able to be open because of policies Republicans oppose. Massive funding to keep class sizes small. Mandatory masking and testing. Mandatory vaccinations for teachers.

What's even more funny is that you think these are the only methods to keep schools open.

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Anonymous wrote:So the key to winning elections is to coddle voters and just tell them what they want to hear?

Unfortunately, for a lot of people the answer is yes. They are not interested in doing the work of learning about policy and understanding the candidates’ positions, they just want someone who will tell them what they want to hear regardless of whether it’s grounded in reality.

Sure seems that way.

And maybe some people are angry about various real issues and misdirected their anger in an irrational way.

Why do we let the proles vote anyway?

It's not just proles. Well, unless you consider everyone who isn't a billionaire a prole. Maybe we are.

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Anonymous wrote:You will need these swing voters to come back to the Dems in 2022 and 2024, so what is insulting them accomplishing?

So the key to winning elections is to coddle voters and just tell them what they want to hear?

Are you kidding?? Yes. I see we have a very succinct illustration of why Democrats always shoot themselves in the foot.

They just don’t get it. It’s not coddling to refrain from labeling every person who agrees with some Republican ideas as a racist or uneducated.

Disagreeing doesn't mean you're uneducated, no. However, when given specific, cited examples of how your disagreeing idea is untrue and still believing it anyway... well, that's being uneducated in my book.

I wouldn't say "uneducated", but I would say "uninformed" if you are not hearing facts or "irrational" if you are hearing them but choosing not to apply them.

Toots, I'm extremely well informed. I just think you're wrong. How about that? Can you stand the idea that people actually disagree with you?

Well informed about what exactly? What am I wrong about? Be specific.

One thing I think the Ds keep saying is that the Rs are so dumb they think CRT is being taught in school. I think it’s clear that the instead of beating that dead horse - realize the majority doesn’t WANT it being taught in schools.
I voted D but I didn’t like the fiasco about getting rid of advanced math. And I do think that was a consideration but when people were angry they backtracked. I think it was disingenuous of the Ds to act like that was a hallucination. That’s why people didn’t believe it.

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Anonymous wrote:So the key to winning elections is to coddle voters and just tell them what they want to hear?

Unfortunately, for a lot of people the answer is yes. They are not interested in doing the work of learning about policy and understanding the candidates’ positions, they just want someone who will tell them what they want to hear regardless of whether it’s grounded in reality.

Sure seems that way.

And maybe some people are angry about various real issues and misdirected their anger in an irrational way.

Why do we let the proles vote anyway?

Anonymous wrote:When I saw the Hala Ayala commercials, where she opened with "I'm the first Afro-Latino candidate," I knew the Democratic ticket was doomed. When will the party learn that jobs and family issues matter so much more to everyday Joes and Janes in Virginia than identify politics?