How far are we from "we were always at war with israel?"

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Trump says that Iran "has to have" ballistic missiles, adding "what am I going to do? Am I going to let Saudi Arabia have missiles but they can't have them?"

The idea that Israel and the US can dictate what another country can and can not have in terms of defense is laughable.

This mock outrage over this deal is beyond belief. The US and Israel lost this war and are in no position to dictate terms. Iran is dictating the terms.

This reminds me of the sports call-in shows where some fan will propose a trade. The trade goes something like this. We should trade our undrafted practice player that we are going to cut for Josh Allen. The Bills will naturally have to throw in some sweeters like two first round draft picks. Seem reasonable to me let’s do it!

Talk about missing the plot.

You do not understand reality and facts on the ground. You can cry for Israel all you like but the terms demanded by the Israelis and its lobby in the US are fantasy wish list.

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Trump says that Iran "has to have" ballistic missiles, adding "what am I going to do? Am I going to let Saudi Arabia have missiles but they can't have them?"

The idea that Israel and the US can dictate what another country can and can not have in terms of defense is laughable.

This mock outrage over this deal is beyond belief. The US and Israel lost this war and are in no position to dictate terms. Iran is dictating the terms.

This reminds me of the sports call-in shows where some fan will propose a trade. The trade goes something like this. We should trade our undrafted practice player that we are going to cut for Josh Allen. The Bills will naturally have to throw in some sweeters like two first round draft picks. Seem reasonable to me let’s do it!

Talk about missing the plot.

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Trump says that Iran "has to have" ballistic missiles, adding "what am I going to do? Am I going to let Saudi Arabia have missiles but they can't have them?"

The idea that Israel and the US can dictate what another country can and can not have in terms of defense is laughable.

This mock outrage over this deal is beyond belief. The US and Israel lost this war and are in no position to dictate terms. Iran is dictating the terms.

This reminds me of the sports call-in shows where some fan will propose a trade. The trade goes something like this. We should trade our undrafted practice player that we are going to cut for Josh Allen. The Bills will naturally have to throw in some sweeters like two first round draft picks. Seem reasonable to me let’s do it!

Anonymous wrote:Is this horrible deal going to be what finally makes the GOP break from Trump?

The last treaty signed at Versailles was a colossal failure as this one is for the US. MAGAS will follow him over the cliff.

Israel is not a signatory and Bibi is gonna do what Bibi decides is the best for him. He isn't afraid of trump.

Trump says that Iran "has to have" ballistic missiles, adding "what am I going to do? Am I going to let Saudi Arabia have missiles but they can't have them?"

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Waging a war of aggression to preserve your enemy's right of self defense.

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Anonymous wrote:The details being discussed right now have absolutely nothing for the US in this agreement.

Sad.

There is Peace for USA.

We had that before he started the war. So, he started a war, surrendered, and is now sending our money to the country that defeated us.

ART OF THE DEAL.

It is Iranian money that was kept here that we are going to send back.
Everyone who was against the start of the Iran war now should support the end of the war.

That's different. Iran gets $300B for reparations AND unfrozen assets (probably +interest). We were told Trump was a deal maker playing 4d chess. This is pure surrender.

Consequences of this war will be born by US population. What consequences is Trump facing? I say we cut into the $300B by seizing Trump assets.

Again - get a grip and educate yourself. The $300 billion is a reconstruction fund made up of private investors and companies from the Gulf countries and elsewhere around the world. The U.S. isn't paying Iran one cent. And Iran *only* has access to the fund if they comply with the rest of the agreement, to include no longer pursuing a nuclear weapon.

The frozen assets (no interest) belonged to Iran in the first place. I'd say this is a pretty good deal.

DP

Ok - keep telling yourself that.

Nobody trusts anything coming from Trump and his cronies so their assurances about the sourcing of the $300B is probably BS. Given the way Iran has been dogwalking Trump, not holding out too much hope that the final agreement will be any better. Iran still holds all the cards and Trump and his RE agent "negotiators" are out of their depth.

Still say that seizing Trump & family assets is a good way to pay down some of the costs of this excursion.

Ok, you're clearly not a serious person. This is a good deal, as long as Iran holds up their end of the bargain. That remains to be seen.

Given the contours of this agreement, why bother to have a war. Trump could have capitulated to Iran without spending hundreds of billions of military hardware and lives.

The US did not achieve a single one of the goals it stated were the reason for the war. All of our GCC allies no longer trust our security guarantee and will be looking elsewhere, likely china. The Iranians have come out of this with no more sanctions, release of $100B or so of frozen funds, $300B in investments, and permanent control of the SOH. There’s no way to spin this as anything but a disaster for the US.

I can spin it as " cut your losses" and move on.

Claiming you “cutting your losses” requires you to admit the loss.

As long as the Strait gets opened, I think he's just going to let this whole thing fade away in the news cycle. By summer, his plan will be for all of us to be talking about something else.

That’s not likely to happen. We all know Israel is going to keep fighting in Lebanon, and at some point Iran will say they’ve violated the agreement and close the strait again.

Nah, I don't think so. With all the sanctions removed and the release of frozen Iranian funds, Iran will continue to fund Lebanon to fight off the IDF. Iran will keep the Strait open unless and until the US puts sanctions back on them or attacks them, whichever happens first.

I wonder if the Israeli will stop funding the proxies they use to attack Iran?

Nope. It will be like nothing ever happened between June 2025 and June 2026, except for maybe a 300 billion dollar plus windfall for Iran and more than 140 little Iranian girls murdered.

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Anonymous wrote:The details being discussed right now have absolutely nothing for the US in this agreement.

Sad.

There is Peace for USA.

We had that before he started the war. So, he started a war, surrendered, and is now sending our money to the country that defeated us.

ART OF THE DEAL.

It is Iranian money that was kept here that we are going to send back.
Everyone who was against the start of the Iran war now should support the end of the war.

That's different. Iran gets $300B for reparations AND unfrozen assets (probably +interest). We were told Trump was a deal maker playing 4d chess. This is pure surrender.

Consequences of this war will be born by US population. What consequences is Trump facing? I say we cut into the $300B by seizing Trump assets.

Again - get a grip and educate yourself. The $300 billion is a reconstruction fund made up of private investors and companies from the Gulf countries and elsewhere around the world. The U.S. isn't paying Iran one cent. And Iran *only* has access to the fund if they comply with the rest of the agreement, to include no longer pursuing a nuclear weapon.

The frozen assets (no interest) belonged to Iran in the first place. I'd say this is a pretty good deal.

DP

Ok - keep telling yourself that.

Nobody trusts anything coming from Trump and his cronies so their assurances about the sourcing of the $300B is probably BS. Given the way Iran has been dogwalking Trump, not holding out too much hope that the final agreement will be any better. Iran still holds all the cards and Trump and his RE agent "negotiators" are out of their depth.

Still say that seizing Trump & family assets is a good way to pay down some of the costs of this excursion.

Ok, you're clearly not a serious person. This is a good deal, as long as Iran holds up their end of the bargain. That remains to be seen.

Given the contours of this agreement, why bother to have a war. Trump could have capitulated to Iran without spending hundreds of billions of military hardware and lives.

The US did not achieve a single one of the goals it stated were the reason for the war. All of our GCC allies no longer trust our security guarantee and will be looking elsewhere, likely china. The Iranians have come out of this with no more sanctions, release of $100B or so of frozen funds, $300B in investments, and permanent control of the SOH. There’s no way to spin this as anything but a disaster for the US.

I can spin it as " cut your losses" and move on.

Claiming you “cutting your losses” requires you to admit the loss.

As long as the Strait gets opened, I think he's just going to let this whole thing fade away in the news cycle. By summer, his plan will be for all of us to be talking about something else.

That’s not likely to happen. We all know Israel is going to keep fighting in Lebanon, and at some point Iran will say they’ve violated the agreement and close the strait again.

Nah, I don't think so. With all the sanctions removed and the release of frozen Iranian funds, Iran will continue to fund Lebanon to fight off the IDF. Iran will keep the Strait open unless and until the US puts sanctions back on them or attacks them, whichever happens first.

I wonder if the Israeli will stop funding the proxies they use to attack Iran?

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Anonymous wrote:The details being discussed right now have absolutely nothing for the US in this agreement.

Sad.

There is Peace for USA.

We had that before he started the war. So, he started a war, surrendered, and is now sending our money to the country that defeated us.

ART OF THE DEAL.

It is Iranian money that was kept here that we are going to send back.
Everyone who was against the start of the Iran war now should support the end of the war.

That's different. Iran gets $300B for reparations AND unfrozen assets (probably +interest). We were told Trump was a deal maker playing 4d chess. This is pure surrender.

Consequences of this war will be born by US population. What consequences is Trump facing? I say we cut into the $300B by seizing Trump assets.

Again - get a grip and educate yourself. The $300 billion is a reconstruction fund made up of private investors and companies from the Gulf countries and elsewhere around the world. The U.S. isn't paying Iran one cent. And Iran *only* has access to the fund if they comply with the rest of the agreement, to include no longer pursuing a nuclear weapon.

The frozen assets (no interest) belonged to Iran in the first place. I'd say this is a pretty good deal.

DP

Ok - keep telling yourself that.

Nobody trusts anything coming from Trump and his cronies so their assurances about the sourcing of the $300B is probably BS. Given the way Iran has been dogwalking Trump, not holding out too much hope that the final agreement will be any better. Iran still holds all the cards and Trump and his RE agent "negotiators" are out of their depth.

Still say that seizing Trump & family assets is a good way to pay down some of the costs of this excursion.

Ok, you're clearly not a serious person. This is a good deal, as long as Iran holds up their end of the bargain. That remains to be seen.

Given the contours of this agreement, why bother to have a war. Trump could have capitulated to Iran without spending hundreds of billions of military hardware and lives.

The US did not achieve a single one of the goals it stated were the reason for the war. All of our GCC allies no longer trust our security guarantee and will be looking elsewhere, likely china. The Iranians have come out of this with no more sanctions, release of $100B or so of frozen funds, $300B in investments, and permanent control of the SOH. There’s no way to spin this as anything but a disaster for the US.

I can spin it as " cut your losses" and move on.

The problem is this is just so much worse than just cutting the losses. It really signals how weak the US is now. It's amazing at how.much Trump has ruined the US in such a short period of time.

That's what happens when your president gets blackmailed by a foreign government into submission.

Starting the war because of pressure or blackmail from another world leader is not the only reason Trump started this war. He also started it because of his deep, years-long pathological jealousy of Barack Hussein Obama. He truly must have believed that he was going to solve the Iran problem in two days and would best Obama somehow. But the truth isn’t no matter what he does, Trump will never be as popular (or competent) as Obama.

Biden wasn't my first choice in 2020 or 2024, but I don't see how or why he ranks lower than the vile, felonious, grifting pedophile in chief.

Because the GOP successfully memory-holed that Trump was president during Covid and was responsible for the "shutdowns" and follow on economic shocks.

The Democratic Party needs to hire whoever handled Iran's PR during this war. It was masterful. The Democratic Party sucks at getting its message out and has been since Clinton. Obama did some great things as POTUS, but he rarely tooted his own successes. Look at Trump, he has found a way to message his gigantic failures as successes or at least not failures.

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Anonymous wrote:The details being discussed right now have absolutely nothing for the US in this agreement.

Sad.

There is Peace for USA.

We had that before he started the war. So, he started a war, surrendered, and is now sending our money to the country that defeated us.

ART OF THE DEAL.

It is Iranian money that was kept here that we are going to send back.
Everyone who was against the start of the Iran war now should support the end of the war.

That's different. Iran gets $300B for reparations AND unfrozen assets (probably +interest). We were told Trump was a deal maker playing 4d chess. This is pure surrender.

Consequences of this war will be born by US population. What consequences is Trump facing? I say we cut into the $300B by seizing Trump assets.

Again - get a grip and educate yourself. The $300 billion is a reconstruction fund made up of private investors and companies from the Gulf countries and elsewhere around the world. The U.S. isn't paying Iran one cent. And Iran *only* has access to the fund if they comply with the rest of the agreement, to include no longer pursuing a nuclear weapon.

The frozen assets (no interest) belonged to Iran in the first place. I'd say this is a pretty good deal.

DP

Ok - keep telling yourself that.

Nobody trusts anything coming from Trump and his cronies so their assurances about the sourcing of the $300B is probably BS. Given the way Iran has been dogwalking Trump, not holding out too much hope that the final agreement will be any better. Iran still holds all the cards and Trump and his RE agent "negotiators" are out of their depth.

Still say that seizing Trump & family assets is a good way to pay down some of the costs of this excursion.

Ok, you're clearly not a serious person. This is a good deal, as long as Iran holds up their end of the bargain. That remains to be seen.

Given the contours of this agreement, why bother to have a war. Trump could have capitulated to Iran without spending hundreds of billions of military hardware and lives.

The US did not achieve a single one of the goals it stated were the reason for the war. All of our GCC allies no longer trust our security guarantee and will be looking elsewhere, likely china. The Iranians have come out of this with no more sanctions, release of $100B or so of frozen funds, $300B in investments, and permanent control of the SOH. There’s no way to spin this as anything but a disaster for the US.

I can spin it as " cut your losses" and move on.

The problem is this is just so much worse than just cutting the losses. It really signals how weak the US is now. It's amazing at how.much Trump has ruined the US in such a short period of time.

That's what happens when your president gets blackmailed by a foreign government into submission.

Starting the war because of pressure or blackmail from another world leader is not the only reason Trump started this war. He also started it because of his deep, years-long pathological jealousy of Barack Hussein Obama. He truly must have believed that he was going to solve the Iran problem in two days and would best Obama somehow. But the truth isn’t no matter what he does, Trump will never be as popular (or competent) as Obama.

Biden wasn't my first choice in 2020 or 2024, but I don't see how or why he ranks lower than the vile, felonious, grifting pedophile in chief.

Because the GOP successfully memory-holed that Trump was president during Covid and was responsible for the "shutdowns" and follow on economic shocks.

Anonymous wrote:Is this horrible deal going to be what finally makes the GOP break from Trump?

Doubtful. You already have the cult followers saying this is a great deal, LOL. On CNN last night, pundits were screaming that Trump got what he wanted, a nuclear-free Iran. That's crazy because Iran was nuclear-free before we attacked them. There was at least one poster, maybe more, on DCUM trying to gaslight the shat out of posters by saying what a great deal the US made. These people are nutso.

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Anonymous wrote:The details being discussed right now have absolutely nothing for the US in this agreement.

Sad.

There is Peace for USA.

We had that before he started the war. So, he started a war, surrendered, and is now sending our money to the country that defeated us.

ART OF THE DEAL.

It is Iranian money that was kept here that we are going to send back.
Everyone who was against the start of the Iran war now should support the end of the war.

That's different. Iran gets $300B for reparations AND unfrozen assets (probably +interest). We were told Trump was a deal maker playing 4d chess. This is pure surrender.

Consequences of this war will be born by US population. What consequences is Trump facing? I say we cut into the $300B by seizing Trump assets.

Again - get a grip and educate yourself. The $300 billion is a reconstruction fund made up of private investors and companies from the Gulf countries and elsewhere around the world. The U.S. isn't paying Iran one cent. And Iran *only* has access to the fund if they comply with the rest of the agreement, to include no longer pursuing a nuclear weapon.

The frozen assets (no interest) belonged to Iran in the first place. I'd say this is a pretty good deal.

DP

Ok - keep telling yourself that.

Nobody trusts anything coming from Trump and his cronies so their assurances about the sourcing of the $300B is probably BS. Given the way Iran has been dogwalking Trump, not holding out too much hope that the final agreement will be any better. Iran still holds all the cards and Trump and his RE agent "negotiators" are out of their depth.

Still say that seizing Trump & family assets is a good way to pay down some of the costs of this excursion.

Ok, you're clearly not a serious person. This is a good deal, as long as Iran holds up their end of the bargain. That remains to be seen.

Given the contours of this agreement, why bother to have a war. Trump could have capitulated to Iran without spending hundreds of billions of military hardware and lives.

The US did not achieve a single one of the goals it stated were the reason for the war. All of our GCC allies no longer trust our security guarantee and will be looking elsewhere, likely china. The Iranians have come out of this with no more sanctions, release of $100B or so of frozen funds, $300B in investments, and permanent control of the SOH. There’s no way to spin this as anything but a disaster for the US.

I can spin it as " cut your losses" and move on.

Claiming you “cutting your losses” requires you to admit the loss.

As long as the Strait gets opened, I think he's just going to let this whole thing fade away in the news cycle. By summer, his plan will be for all of us to be talking about something else.

That’s not likely to happen. We all know Israel is going to keep fighting in Lebanon, and at some point Iran will say they’ve violated the agreement and close the strait again.

Nah, I don't think so. With all the sanctions removed and the release of frozen Iranian funds, Iran will continue to fund Lebanon to fight off the IDF. Iran will keep the Strait open unless and until the US puts sanctions back on them or attacks them, whichever happens first.

Anonymous wrote:Is this horrible deal going to be what finally makes the GOP break from Trump?

Conservatives are universally appalled by the Iran debacle and the "deal" - read surrender - that Trump has signed. But most of MAGA is not reading or following the news. There's a good 30 percent of the country that lives in the exurbs and small towns. They like cheap gas, hate liberals, and go to their prosperity gospel evangelical churches for brainwashing and community. None of them will vote for a Democrat under any circumstances. These "Christians" will always choose the Donald Trumps and Ken Paxtons of the world. They will vote for scum before they vote for a Democrat. It's pure primitive tribalism for most Republicans. But independents are absolutely gone. Midterms should be a bloodbath for Republicans. The evangelical crowd is not enough to win these days.

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Anonymous wrote:The details being discussed right now have absolutely nothing for the US in this agreement.

Sad.

There is Peace for USA.

We had that before he started the war. So, he started a war, surrendered, and is now sending our money to the country that defeated us.

ART OF THE DEAL.

It is Iranian money that was kept here that we are going to send back.
Everyone who was against the start of the Iran war now should support the end of the war.

That's different. Iran gets $300B for reparations AND unfrozen assets (probably +interest). We were told Trump was a deal maker playing 4d chess. This is pure surrender.

Consequences of this war will be born by US population. What consequences is Trump facing? I say we cut into the $300B by seizing Trump assets.

Again - get a grip and educate yourself. The $300 billion is a reconstruction fund made up of private investors and companies from the Gulf countries and elsewhere around the world. The U.S. isn't paying Iran one cent. And Iran *only* has access to the fund if they comply with the rest of the agreement, to include no longer pursuing a nuclear weapon.

The frozen assets (no interest) belonged to Iran in the first place. I'd say this is a pretty good deal.

DP

Ok - keep telling yourself that.

Nobody trusts anything coming from Trump and his cronies so their assurances about the sourcing of the $300B is probably BS. Given the way Iran has been dogwalking Trump, not holding out too much hope that the final agreement will be any better. Iran still holds all the cards and Trump and his RE agent "negotiators" are out of their depth.

Still say that seizing Trump & family assets is a good way to pay down some of the costs of this excursion.

Ok, you're clearly not a serious person. This is a good deal, as long as Iran holds up their end of the bargain. That remains to be seen.

Given the contours of this agreement, why bother to have a war. Trump could have capitulated to Iran without spending hundreds of billions of military hardware and lives.

The US did not achieve a single one of the goals it stated were the reason for the war. All of our GCC allies no longer trust our security guarantee and will be looking elsewhere, likely china. The Iranians have come out of this with no more sanctions, release of $100B or so of frozen funds, $300B in investments, and permanent control of the SOH. There’s no way to spin this as anything but a disaster for the US.

I can spin it as " cut your losses" and move on.

Claiming you “cutting your losses” requires you to admit the loss.

As long as the Strait gets opened, I think he's just going to let this whole thing fade away in the news cycle. By summer, his plan will be for all of us to be talking about something else.

Exactly. American attention span is collective ADHD. Just like he moved Epstein off the minds of most Americans, by October 1, Americans will be saying what about the Iran war, my bacon is back on the table, and my Ford's tank is full.