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Anonymous wrote:So the key to winning elections is to coddle voters and just tell them what they want to hear?

Unfortunately, for a lot of people the answer is yes. They are not interested in doing the work of learning about policy and understanding the candidates’ positions, they just want someone who will tell them what they want to hear regardless of whether it’s grounded in reality.

Sure seems that way.

And maybe some people are angry about various real issues and misdirected their anger in an irrational way.

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Anonymous wrote:What was the differential between Biden 2020 and McAuliffe yesterday in the relevant NOVA areas?

Anyone have that off hand? That is the key to how much the schools mattered.

I believe Youngkin was running around 3-5 percentage points ahead of Biden 2020 in most of NoVa. All it takes is a few percentage points in a close race. People are pissed about the school issues.

And it’s misplaced. The issue was National response to a pandemic, and the virus itself. But let’s blame the schools.

It's easy to blame the schools when friends and relatives in other states (including deep blue ones) have kids in school

Which states? Some of my friends' kids didn't go back until AFTER our kids went back.

Massachusetts, Connecticut, Upstate NY, Maine, Vermont

New Jersey had kids in schools way before we did here and Murphy still almost lost.

Check out maplewood and south orange- not back to school there.

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Anonymous wrote:Yawn. Forecast has Terry winning 52-48, with big early voting lead and turnout higher than it was when GOP did well. At the end of the day, VA is a rock solid blue state.

What happened to the "inside knowledge" poster???

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Anonymous wrote:What was the differential between Biden 2020 and McAuliffe yesterday in the relevant NOVA areas?

Anyone have that off hand? That is the key to how much the schools mattered.

I believe Youngkin was running around 3-5 percentage points ahead of Biden 2020 in most of NoVa. All it takes is a few percentage points in a close race. People are pissed about the school issues.

And it’s misplaced. The issue was National response to a pandemic, and the virus itself. But let’s blame the schools.

It's easy to blame the schools when friends and relatives in other states (including deep blue ones) have kids in school

Which states? Some of my friends' kids didn't go back until AFTER our kids went back.

Massachusetts, Connecticut, Upstate NY, Maine, Vermont

New Jersey had kids in schools way before we did here and Murphy still almost lost.

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Anonymous wrote:What was the differential between Biden 2020 and McAuliffe yesterday in the relevant NOVA areas?

Anyone have that off hand? That is the key to how much the schools mattered.

I believe Youngkin was running around 3-5 percentage points ahead of Biden 2020 in most of NoVa. All it takes is a few percentage points in a close race. People are pissed about the school issues.

And it’s misplaced. The issue was National response to a pandemic, and the virus itself. But let’s blame the schools.

It's easy to blame the schools when friends and relatives in other states (including deep blue ones) have kids in school

Which states? Some of my friends' kids didn't go back until AFTER our kids went back.

Massachusetts, Connecticut, Upstate NY, Maine, Vermont

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IMO they shot themselves in the foot by closing school. What an impact they made on so many people day in and day out for a year. I certainly hope it is a case study for the future.

They made informed, reasonable decisions based on the info we had and resources available. You think we have staffing issues now? Imagine if you forced teachers in last fall before the vaccine and as numbers were skyrocketing.

Our schools (local, not state) didn’t just say F it and send kids back in.

Sorry that pisses you off so much that you had to vote for a Trump Republican.

I voted D like I always do but your attitude is exactly why the Rs won and I’ve been saying that.
I also remember that Northam allowed schools to open hybrid in August 2020 and Fairfax had some of the best corona numbers in the state - not the worst - such that we should have considered being more conservative than he allowed with school reopening. And I also didn’t forget that the Dept of Health approved of the hybrid plan as well.

So you’re pissed at FCPS?

I am just telling you where the people are so the Ds don’t miss the mark next time.

Most of the parents don't remember the nuance of what the governor approved vs. what happened. All they saw is that public schools weren't open for most of 2020-2021, while private schools did open full time.

I agree.

Agree too (Dem voter). This wasn’t the only issue, but one of the big ones. I fear my party is getting a set of alternative facts (like all the PPs set on arguing that Nova schools were opening just as early as the rest of the country??) Voting Youngkin may have been a stupid way to “punish” school boards, but it still was a strong motivation IMHO.

+1 the “CRT” stuff wasn’t important to NoVa voters (it was just a bone for the R base in the rest of the state), but the closures and the perception that the curriculum was being “dumbed down” by the Democrats in the state DoE WAS important here. All it takes is a few percentage points of people who usually vote D switching to the other side.

And no, NoVa schools didn’t open at the same time as other schools. Anyone with functioning eyes and access to social media could have seen that. The closures killed Democrats and people took out their frustrations on the first election they could.

Yes, to this. I think it was much more bread-n-butter educational issues that motivated (or didn't motivate) NoVa voters. And Terry had to win big there. And now Democrats are going to respond to those concerns by calling everyone uneducated Karens, which wrong or right, is going to further drive the suburbs away. Ugh.

This. I know it’s next day bitterness, but the response that the swing voters who voted Youngkin are uneducated Karens is a terrible look. You will need these swing voters to come back to the Dems in 2022 and 2024, so what is insulting them accomplishing?

So the key to winning elections is to coddle voters and just tell them what they want to hear?

Are you kidding?? Yes. I see we have a very succinct illustration of why Democrats always shoot themselves in the foot.

They just don’t get it. It’s not coddling to refrain from labeling every person who agrees with some Republican ideas as a racist or uneducated.

But there definitely seems to be a moral outrage when the mirror is turned. It’s one of the biggest complaints in this thread. Which seems, well, childish.

Keep on keepin on I guess and see where the current attitude of the Democratic Party gets you. You cannot say you weren’t warned, so don’t act shocked when there’s a Republican president in 2024. What each party is fighting for is the people in the middle, who don’t care about AOC and her squad and think Trump is repugnant, we would like a return to centrist political leadership, center right or center left it really doesn’t matter as long as these ridiculous culture wars stop. I wish to God the Republican Party could get out of their own way and nominate a Larry Hogan as their presidential candidate, someone like him would cruise to victory in a national election if the Democrats don’t pull their heads out of their asses and fix their message.

Blah blah blah.

We don't care about actual policies, but we will 100% vote out of spite because of some anonymous posters on a mommy website.

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Anonymous wrote:You will need these swing voters to come back to the Dems in 2022 and 2024, so what is insulting them accomplishing?

So the key to winning elections is to coddle voters and just tell them what they want to hear?

Are you kidding?? Yes. I see we have a very succinct illustration of why Democrats always shoot themselves in the foot.

They just don’t get it. It’s not coddling to refrain from labeling every person who agrees with some Republican ideas as a racist or uneducated.

Disagreeing doesn't mean you're uneducated, no. However, when given specific, cited examples of how your disagreeing idea is untrue and still believing it anyway... well, that's being uneducated in my book.

I wouldn't say "uneducated", but I would say "uninformed" if you are not hearing facts or "irrational" if you are hearing them but choosing not to apply them.

Toots, I'm extremely well informed. I just think you're wrong. How about that? Can you stand the idea that people actually disagree with you?

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IMO they shot themselves in the foot by closing school. What an impact they made on so many people day in and day out for a year. I certainly hope it is a case study for the future.

They made informed, reasonable decisions based on the info we had and resources available. You think we have staffing issues now? Imagine if you forced teachers in last fall before the vaccine and as numbers were skyrocketing.

Our schools (local, not state) didn’t just say F it and send kids back in.

Sorry that pisses you off so much that you had to vote for a Trump Republican.

I voted D like I always do but your attitude is exactly why the Rs won and I’ve been saying that.
I also remember that Northam allowed schools to open hybrid in August 2020 and Fairfax had some of the best corona numbers in the state - not the worst - such that we should have considered being more conservative than he allowed with school reopening. And I also didn’t forget that the Dept of Health approved of the hybrid plan as well.

So you’re pissed at FCPS?

I am just telling you where the people are so the Ds don’t miss the mark next time.

Most of the parents don't remember the nuance of what the governor approved vs. what happened. All they saw is that public schools weren't open for most of 2020-2021, while private schools did open full time.

I agree.

Agree too (Dem voter). This wasn’t the only issue, but one of the big ones. I fear my party is getting a set of alternative facts (like all the PPs set on arguing that Nova schools were opening just as early as the rest of the country??) Voting Youngkin may have been a stupid way to “punish” school boards, but it still was a strong motivation IMHO.

Here you go. Facts.

Post about this from Feb 2020:
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/105/951009.page
“Actually, based on the Burbio methodology, this says that *at most* ~40% of US student are in-person right now. Obviously, it's less than that since 100% of families are not choosing in-person.

https://about.burbio.com/methodology/
"• Burbio assigns a learning mode to a school district based on the most in-person option available to the general student population. Thus if a district offers both traditional and virtual options, the district is categorized as Traditional. " “

Hey out of state political activist.

We are talking about Virginia public schools, which were closed, vs Virginia private schools which were open.

Not 40% of schools in the US.

I’m a VA parent who saw this all go down. Don’t try to rewrite history.

DC areas schools sent kids back to the classroom around the same time as many other schools in the country. We weren’t an outlier.

Private schools had many more resources available to help them open. Mandates for testing, masking, traveling, etc. Plus, smaller classes and tons more space.

It’s pretty funny that Republicans keep pointing to private schools staying open as models of success when they were only able to be open because of policies Republicans oppose. Massive funding to keep class sizes small. Mandatory masking and testing. Mandatory vaccinations for teachers.

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Anonymous wrote:You will need these swing voters to come back to the Dems in 2022 and 2024, so what is insulting them accomplishing?

So the key to winning elections is to coddle voters and just tell them what they want to hear?

Are you kidding?? Yes. I see we have a very succinct illustration of why Democrats always shoot themselves in the foot.

They just don’t get it. It’s not coddling to refrain from labeling every person who agrees with some Republican ideas as a racist or uneducated.

Disagreeing doesn't mean you're uneducated, no. However, when given specific, cited examples of how your disagreeing idea is untrue and still believing it anyway... well, that's being uneducated in my book.

I wouldn't say "uneducated", but I would say "uninformed" if you are not hearing facts or "irrational" if you are hearing them but choosing not to apply them.

Toots, I'm extremely well informed. I just think you're wrong. How about that? Can you stand the idea that people actually disagree with you?

Well informed about what exactly? What am I wrong about? Be specific.

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IMO they shot themselves in the foot by closing school. What an impact they made on so many people day in and day out for a year. I certainly hope it is a case study for the future.

They made informed, reasonable decisions based on the info we had and resources available. You think we have staffing issues now? Imagine if you forced teachers in last fall before the vaccine and as numbers were skyrocketing.

Our schools (local, not state) didn’t just say F it and send kids back in.

Sorry that pisses you off so much that you had to vote for a Trump Republican.

I voted D like I always do but your attitude is exactly why the Rs won and I’ve been saying that.
I also remember that Northam allowed schools to open hybrid in August 2020 and Fairfax had some of the best corona numbers in the state - not the worst - such that we should have considered being more conservative than he allowed with school reopening. And I also didn’t forget that the Dept of Health approved of the hybrid plan as well.

So you’re pissed at FCPS?

I am just telling you where the people are so the Ds don’t miss the mark next time.

Most of the parents don't remember the nuance of what the governor approved vs. what happened. All they saw is that public schools weren't open for most of 2020-2021, while private schools did open full time.

I agree.

Agree too (Dem voter). This wasn’t the only issue, but one of the big ones. I fear my party is getting a set of alternative facts (like all the PPs set on arguing that Nova schools were opening just as early as the rest of the country??) Voting Youngkin may have been a stupid way to “punish” school boards, but it still was a strong motivation IMHO.

Here you go. Facts.

Post about this from Feb 2020:
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/105/951009.page
“Actually, based on the Burbio methodology, this says that *at most* ~40% of US student are in-person right now. Obviously, it's less than that since 100% of families are not choosing in-person.

https://about.burbio.com/methodology/
"• Burbio assigns a learning mode to a school district based on the most in-person option available to the general student population. Thus if a district offers both traditional and virtual options, the district is categorized as Traditional. " “

Hey out of state political activist.

We are talking about Virginia public schools, which were closed, vs Virginia private schools which were open.

Not 40% of schools in the US.

I’m a VA parent who saw this all go down. Don’t try to rewrite history.

DC areas schools sent kids back to the classroom around the same time as many other schools in the country. We weren’t an outlier.

Private schools had many more resources available to help them open. Mandates for testing, masking, traveling, etc. Plus, smaller classes and tons more space.

You are not being accurate or truthful.

Which part is inaccurate?

DP. All the stuff about private schools, for one.

Private schools absolutely had more resources. It’s much easier to control the variables and mitigate risk when you are small and can mandate anything you want.

Private schools could open full time with smaller numbers. But Va schools should have been open hybrid in August 2020 - not no in person option for one full year.

Most parents weren't going to send their kids to summer school in 2020 - everyone was pushing to be done with school.

It's misleading to say it was "one full year".

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Anonymous wrote:So the key to winning elections is to coddle voters and just tell them what they want to hear?

Unfortunately, for a lot of people the answer is yes. They are not interested in doing the work of learning about policy and understanding the candidates’ positions, they just want someone who will tell them what they want to hear regardless of whether it’s grounded in reality.

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Anonymous wrote:Yawn. Forecast has Terry winning 52-48, with big early voting lead and turnout higher than it was when GOP did well. At the end of the day, VA is a rock solid blue state.

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Anonymous wrote:You will need these swing voters to come back to the Dems in 2022 and 2024, so what is insulting them accomplishing?

So the key to winning elections is to coddle voters and just tell them what they want to hear?

Are you kidding?? Yes. I see we have a very succinct illustration of why Democrats always shoot themselves in the foot.

They just don’t get it. It’s not coddling to refrain from labeling every person who agrees with some Republican ideas as a racist or uneducated.

Disagreeing doesn't mean you're uneducated, no. However, when given specific, cited examples of how your disagreeing idea is untrue and still believing it anyway... well, that's being uneducated in my book.

I wouldn't say "uneducated", but I would say "uninformed" if you are not hearing facts or "irrational" if you are hearing them but choosing not to apply them.

Toots, I'm extremely well informed. I just think you're wrong. How about that? Can you stand the idea that people actually disagree with you?