Anonymous
03/12/2022 12:30
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You all are such douches... talk about nonsense while a drone flew all the way into Croatia.
And? You think the drone was controlled? Oh let me guess you fancy yourself as expert? Why would the Russia fly a drone to Croatia and lose the asset?
This was an accident. Accidents happen all the time in warfare. No wonder surrounding countries are on high alert.
Anonymous
03/12/2022 11:30
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:You all are such douches... talk about nonsense while a drone flew all the way into Croatia.
And? You think the drone was controlled? Oh let me guess you fancy yourself as expert? Why would the Russia fly a drone to Croatia and lose the asset?
Anonymous
03/12/2022 10:53
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Who says we have no good options. Tik Tok influencers to the rescue (can't make it up...)
https://www.toddstarnes.com/politics/white-house-briefing-tiktok-stars-on-ukraine-war/
Tik Tok is how a substantial number - majority even? - of young people get their news. And Tik Tok is one social media platform still available in Russia, where it's becoming increasingly difficult to get the truth about the war to the Russian people. Another smart move by the White House.
Anonymous
03/12/2022 10:53
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Who says we have no good options. Tik Tok influencers to the rescue (can't make it up...)
https://www.toddstarnes.com/politics/white-house-briefing-tiktok-stars-on-ukraine-war/
Reach the youth where it's at. All the better that Tik Tok is a Chinese company.
Anonymous
03/12/2022 10:42
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Who says we have no good options. Tik Tok influencers to the rescue (can't make it up...)
https://www.toddstarnes.com/politics/white-house-briefing-tiktok-stars-on-ukraine-war/
https://www.toddstarnes.com/politics/white-house-briefing-tiktok-stars-on-ukraine-war/
Anonymous
03/12/2022 10:42
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
French person here. Every country in Europe has Neo-Nazis. They do overlap, as PP said, with football hooligans. Ukraine does not have more neo-Nazis than any other country, relative to its population.
And may I remind you politely that the USA also has neo-Nazis, or White Supremacists, whatever you want to call them, and that your previous President seemed inclined to like them.
Anonymous
03/12/2022 10:25
Subject: Re:US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Has anybody read the article above by "FAIR" (Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting)?
There is a lot of interesting material here that paints a complicated picture which, if accurate, suggests that the US has meddled a great deal in Ukraine's internal affairs, and may have even played a hand in the 2014 revolution. I'm curious to get feedback on the material presented in this article. Is it credible?
A second item that I'd like feedback on is the video below by the BBC, created in 2014, which documents the activities of neo-nazi groups in Ukraine who wish to create a "clean" (i.e. ethnically homogeneous) country.
This video surprised me because I had assumed that Putin's claims of nazi groups in Ukraine was absurd. Are these groups small and insignificant, or do they have some real power?
Those nazi groups were seeded and supported by Russia as part of its efforts to weaken Ukraine.
Ukraine doesn't have a Neo-nazi problem. (any more than any other Western country, including the U.S.) They elected Zelensky, who is Jewish, with over 70% of the vote. The mayor of Melitopol is Vitaly Kim, a Korean Ukrainian.
But the neo-Nazi groups in the BBC video are pro-Ukrainian, not pro-Russia. Why would Russians finance pro-Ukrainian nazi groups?
Obviously, Zelensky and the mayor are not nazis. But the BBC videos indicates that nazi groups are indeed active in Ukraine.
You missed the point. Russia's playbook is to weaken its enemies by fomenting internal division. They have done it here. They have done it in Europe. They are not trying to get Ukrainian hate groups to be pro Russian. They are content to have Ukrainian hate groups be hateful toward their fellow Ukrainians.
+1. The early iterations of neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine had their roots in far right supporters of local football clubs - a comradeship that is linked to Russian football clubs and also can be seen in places like Serbia. The football clubs offer a perfect place to stir up what on the surface are nationalist, patriotic expressions but often linked to the “conservative” values that Russia is pretending to be the defender of - religion, “correct” gender behavior, etc. - and the violence and high passion of football offers a kind of intimidation factor.
This..pretty much across Europe and UK..I think our equivalent would be some biker gangs and proud boys?
Anonymous
03/12/2022 10:03
Subject: Re:US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Obviously, you disagree, but I think this was a good move by Biden. By playing it very slow and cool, so far, I think Biden has done the best job that could be done by the US right now. While we will back up and support, this is Europe's war right now, to escalate or soften, as they need to. The longer that Russia bleeds, the better, for everyone.
I strongly disagree. Putin views Biden as weak. Because he is. And, this move reinforces that.
Biden is letting Putin call the shots.
Biden has done a piss poor job. And, deciding not to send the planes that Ukraine needs is a cowardly move by Biden.
And, remember.... when Russia bleeds, so do innocent Ukrainians. That is NOT better for them.
This is debatable. Ukraine can't use the planes it already has because Russia has better anit-aircraft weapons. Those Polish planes would sit on the ground in Ukraine.
What Ukraine really needs is a no-fly zone, but that would involve NATO in direct conflict with Russia. NATO planes would have to shoot down Russian planes.
There are no good options for the US in Ukraine. I think Biden made the best decision he could about the Polish planes.
Ukraine is fighting the war.... not the US. But, the US seems to be deciding what they "need" and don't need.
If we want to give them a fighting chance, why don't we let the people who are actually fighting the war decide what they need?
And, there was a brief point in time when our govt. was supportive of providing planes to them. Then we weren't. What happened there?
I would imagine this was because Putin has his nukes in high apart and could easily have used this as justification to start a nuclear war.
It is hard to be rational with a psychopathic, paranoid, war criminal …
In case you haven't noticed...... Putin doesn't need justification for ANY actions he has taken.
He invaded a sovereign country without justification. He has bombed hospitals and apartments without justification. Everything he has done is without justification.
Biden and crew are allowing Putin to set the terms for this war. Putin knows they are weak. Putin will continue to push the limits because he knows he is dealing with a cowardly administration.
The administration is not weak, they have taken increasingly punitive actions, some very severe ones. They know we are at war and this is just the opening act. Maybe they are trying to slowly walk Americans to the realization we are at war, a global war.
I think they are slow walking, because the truth is that we are nog ready for full scale war. First job is to shovel as much weapons, ammunition and defensive systems as possible into Ukraine before Russia starts bombing supply convoys (as they first threatened to do today). It’s better to try to stop the Russian advance through Ukraine and destroy as much as possible there now.
Second job(on a simultaneous track) is to start moving US and NATO troop much closer to the Eastern flank. We do not have sufficient manpower and weapons there yet to stop additional Russian forces. It’s preferable to stop Russia in Eastern Poland and Baltics and prevent closure of Suwalki Gap, but I’m not sure we are sufficiently positioned to do so right now.
Anonymous
03/12/2022 10:00
Subject: Re:US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Has anybody read the article above by "FAIR" (Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting)?
There is a lot of interesting material here that paints a complicated picture which, if accurate, suggests that the US has meddled a great deal in Ukraine's internal affairs, and may have even played a hand in the 2014 revolution. I'm curious to get feedback on the material presented in this article. Is it credible?
A second item that I'd like feedback on is the video below by the BBC, created in 2014, which documents the activities of neo-nazi groups in Ukraine who wish to create a "clean" (i.e. ethnically homogeneous) country.
This video surprised me because I had assumed that Putin's claims of nazi groups in Ukraine was absurd. Are these groups small and insignificant, or do they have some real power?
Those nazi groups were seeded and supported by Russia as part of its efforts to weaken Ukraine.
Ukraine doesn't have a Neo-nazi problem. (any more than any other Western country, including the U.S.) They elected Zelensky, who is Jewish, with over 70% of the vote. The mayor of Melitopol is Vitaly Kim, a Korean Ukrainian.
But the neo-Nazi groups in the BBC video are pro-Ukrainian, not pro-Russia. Why would Russians finance pro-Ukrainian nazi groups?
Obviously, Zelensky and the mayor are not nazis. But the BBC videos indicates that nazi groups are indeed active in Ukraine.
You missed the point. Russia's playbook is to weaken its enemies by fomenting internal division. They have done it here. They have done it in Europe. They are not trying to get Ukrainian hate groups to be pro Russian. They are content to have Ukrainian hate groups be hateful toward their fellow Ukrainians.
Sadly this …
Anonymous
03/12/2022 09:56
Subject: Re:US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Has anybody read the article above by "FAIR" (Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting)?
There is a lot of interesting material here that paints a complicated picture which, if accurate, suggests that the US has meddled a great deal in Ukraine's internal affairs, and may have even played a hand in the 2014 revolution. I'm curious to get feedback on the material presented in this article. Is it credible?
A second item that I'd like feedback on is the video below by the BBC, created in 2014, which documents the activities of neo-nazi groups in Ukraine who wish to create a "clean" (i.e. ethnically homogeneous) country.
This video surprised me because I had assumed that Putin's claims of nazi groups in Ukraine was absurd. Are these groups small and insignificant, or do they have some real power?
Those nazi groups were seeded and supported by Russia as part of its efforts to weaken Ukraine.
Ukraine doesn't have a Neo-nazi problem. (any more than any other Western country, including the U.S.) They elected Zelensky, who is Jewish, with over 70% of the vote. The mayor of Melitopol is Vitaly Kim, a Korean Ukrainian.
But the neo-Nazi groups in the BBC video are pro-Ukrainian, not pro-Russia. Why would Russians finance pro-Ukrainian nazi groups?
Obviously, Zelensky and the mayor are not nazis. But the BBC videos indicates that nazi groups are indeed active in Ukraine.
You missed the point. Russia's playbook is to weaken its enemies by fomenting internal division. They have done it here. They have done it in Europe. They are not trying to get Ukrainian hate groups to be pro Russian. They are content to have Ukrainian hate groups be hateful toward their fellow Ukrainians.
+1. The early iterations of neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine had their roots in far right supporters of local football clubs - a comradeship that is linked to Russian football clubs and also can be seen in places like Serbia. The football clubs offer a perfect place to stir up what on the surface are nationalist, patriotic expressions but often linked to the “conservative” values that Russia is pretending to be the defender of - religion, “correct” gender behavior, etc. - and the violence and high passion of football offers a kind of intimidation factor.
Anonymous
03/12/2022 09:51
Subject: Re:US has no good options in Ukraine
The US has a solid game plan, per Eliot Cohen. Great read.
https://apple.news/AFGiv5OD1RX2Sr80OLtuBXA
https://apple.news/AFGiv5OD1RX2Sr80OLtuBXA
Anonymous
03/12/2022 09:42
Subject: Re:US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Has anybody read the article above by "FAIR" (Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting)?
There is a lot of interesting material here that paints a complicated picture which, if accurate, suggests that the US has meddled a great deal in Ukraine's internal affairs, and may have even played a hand in the 2014 revolution. I'm curious to get feedback on the material presented in this article. Is it credible?
A second item that I'd like feedback on is the video below by the BBC, created in 2014, which documents the activities of neo-nazi groups in Ukraine who wish to create a "clean" (i.e. ethnically homogeneous) country.
This video surprised me because I had assumed that Putin's claims of nazi groups in Ukraine was absurd. Are these groups small and insignificant, or do they have some real power?
Those nazi groups were seeded and supported by Russia as part of its efforts to weaken Ukraine.
Ukraine doesn't have a Neo-nazi problem. (any more than any other Western country, including the U.S.) They elected Zelensky, who is Jewish, with over 70% of the vote. The mayor of Melitopol is Vitaly Kim, a Korean Ukrainian.
But the neo-Nazi groups in the BBC video are pro-Ukrainian, not pro-Russia. Why would Russians finance pro-Ukrainian nazi groups?
Obviously, Zelensky and the mayor are not nazis. But the BBC videos indicates that nazi groups are indeed active in Ukraine.
You missed the point. Russia's playbook is to weaken its enemies by fomenting internal division. They have done it here. They have done it in Europe. They are not trying to get Ukrainian hate groups to be pro Russian. They are content to have Ukrainian hate groups be hateful toward their fellow Ukrainians.
Anonymous
03/12/2022 09:32
Subject: Re:US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:
Has anybody read the article above by "FAIR" (Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting)?
There is a lot of interesting material here that paints a complicated picture which, if accurate, suggests that the US has meddled a great deal in Ukraine's internal affairs, and may have even played a hand in the 2014 revolution. I'm curious to get feedback on the material presented in this article. Is it credible?
A second item that I'd like feedback on is the video below by the BBC, created in 2014, which documents the activities of neo-nazi groups in Ukraine who wish to create a "clean" (i.e. ethnically homogeneous) country.
This video surprised me because I had assumed that Putin's claims of nazi groups in Ukraine was absurd. Are these groups small and insignificant, or do they have some real power?
I would argue that neo-Nazis don't have that much real power in Ukraine given a Jewish grandson of Holocaust survivors got elected with 73% of the vote.
Anonymous
03/12/2022 09:30
Subject: Re:US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Has anybody read the article above by "FAIR" (Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting)?
There is a lot of interesting material here that paints a complicated picture which, if accurate, suggests that the US has meddled a great deal in Ukraine's internal affairs, and may have even played a hand in the 2014 revolution. I'm curious to get feedback on the material presented in this article. Is it credible?
A second item that I'd like feedback on is the video below by the BBC, created in 2014, which documents the activities of neo-nazi groups in Ukraine who wish to create a "clean" (i.e. ethnically homogeneous) country.
This video surprised me because I had assumed that Putin's claims of nazi groups in Ukraine was absurd. Are these groups small and insignificant, or do they have some real power?
Those nazi groups were seeded and supported by Russia as part of its efforts to weaken Ukraine.
Ukraine doesn't have a Neo-nazi problem. (any more than any other Western country, including the U.S.) They elected Zelensky, who is Jewish, with over 70% of the vote. The mayor of Melitopol is Vitaly Kim, a Korean Ukrainian.
But the neo-Nazi groups in the BBC video are pro-Ukrainian, not pro-Russia. Why would Russians finance pro-Ukrainian nazi groups?
Obviously, Zelensky and the mayor are not nazis. But the BBC videos indicates that nazi groups are indeed active in Ukraine.
Russians would finance pro-Ukranian nazi groups to make Ulraine look bad and justify their invasion.
Anonymous
03/12/2022 09:23
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:You all are such douches... talk about nonsense while a drone flew all the way into Croatia.
Could have been Ukrainian. Many Ukrainian weapons are old Russian stock. But yeah is this a surprise to you? The conflict will of course spill beyond Ukraine, that’s why Poland and other eastern countries are on edge.