Anonymous
03/12/2022 09:22
Subject: Re:US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Has anybody read the article above by "FAIR" (Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting)?
There is a lot of interesting material here that paints a complicated picture which, if accurate, suggests that the US has meddled a great deal in Ukraine's internal affairs, and may have even played a hand in the 2014 revolution. I'm curious to get feedback on the material presented in this article. Is it credible?
A second item that I'd like feedback on is the video below by the BBC, created in 2014, which documents the activities of neo-nazi groups in Ukraine who wish to create a "clean" (i.e. ethnically homogeneous) country.
This video surprised me because I had assumed that Putin's claims of nazi groups in Ukraine was absurd. Are these groups small and insignificant, or do they have some real power?
Those nazi groups were seeded and supported by Russia as part of its efforts to weaken Ukraine.
Ukraine doesn't have a Neo-nazi problem. (any more than any other Western country, including the U.S.) They elected Zelensky, who is Jewish, with over 70% of the vote. The mayor of Melitopol is Vitaly Kim, a Korean Ukrainian.
But the neo-Nazi groups in the BBC video are pro-Ukrainian, not pro-Russia. Why would Russians finance pro-Ukrainian nazi groups?
Obviously, Zelensky and the mayor are not nazis. But the BBC videos indicates that nazi groups are indeed active in Ukraine.
Anonymous
03/12/2022 09:21
Subject: Re:US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Obviously, you disagree, but I think this was a good move by Biden. By playing it very slow and cool, so far, I think Biden has done the best job that could be done by the US right now. While we will back up and support, this is Europe's war right now, to escalate or soften, as they need to. The longer that Russia bleeds, the better, for everyone.
I strongly disagree. Putin views Biden as weak. Because he is. And, this move reinforces that.
Biden is letting Putin call the shots.
Biden has done a piss poor job. And, deciding not to send the planes that Ukraine needs is a cowardly move by Biden.
And, remember.... when Russia bleeds, so do innocent Ukrainians. That is NOT better for them.
This is debatable. Ukraine can't use the planes it already has because Russia has better anit-aircraft weapons. Those Polish planes would sit on the ground in Ukraine.
What Ukraine really needs is a no-fly zone, but that would involve NATO in direct conflict with Russia. NATO planes would have to shoot down Russian planes.
There are no good options for the US in Ukraine. I think Biden made the best decision he could about the Polish planes.
Ukraine is fighting the war.... not the US. But, the US seems to be deciding what they "need" and don't need.
If we want to give them a fighting chance, why don't we let the people who are actually fighting the war decide what they need?
And, there was a brief point in time when our govt. was supportive of providing planes to them. Then we weren't. What happened there?
I would imagine this was because Putin has his nukes in high apart and could easily have used this as justification to start a nuclear war.
It is hard to be rational with a psychopathic, paranoid, war criminal …
In case you haven't noticed...... Putin doesn't need justification for ANY actions he has taken.
He invaded a sovereign country without justification. He has bombed hospitals and apartments without justification. Everything he has done is without justification.
Biden and crew are allowing Putin to set the terms for this war. Putin knows they are weak. Putin will continue to push the limits because he knows he is dealing with a cowardly administration.
The administration is not weak, they have taken increasingly punitive actions, some very severe ones. They know we are at war and this is just the opening act. Maybe they are trying to slowly walk Americans to the realization we are at war, a global war.
Anonymous
03/12/2022 09:19
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So Russia flew a drone all the way to Croatia? Across Romania, Hungary, and 5,6 minutes into Croatia where it crashed or was shot down by NATO?
maybe a probe to see if NATO defenses were really awake or NOT
It sounds like a malfunction or hacked.
Anonymous
03/12/2022 09:17
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:You all are such douches... talk about nonsense while a drone flew all the way into Croatia.
And you're whining about the conversational choices of randos on an anonymous forum. What's that make you?
Anonymous
03/12/2022 09:16
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Working with allies take a lot more strength and patience than rage tweeting and unilateral action.
When did think-skinned whiners come to be seen as strong? They are the worst kind of coward. They can’t handle any kind of disagreement, and expect loyalty, no matter their own actions. That is not, nor will it ever be, any sign of strength.
Back when America was great, we used to disrespect and mock these kinds of blowhards. We need a President like Franklin Delano Roosevelt again.
Anonymous
03/12/2022 09:14
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
You all are such douches... talk about nonsense while a drone flew all the way into Croatia.
Anonymous
03/12/2022 09:13
Subject: Re:US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Has anybody read the article above by "FAIR" (Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting)?
There is a lot of interesting material here that paints a complicated picture which, if accurate, suggests that the US has meddled a great deal in Ukraine's internal affairs, and may have even played a hand in the 2014 revolution. I'm curious to get feedback on the material presented in this article. Is it credible?
A second item that I'd like feedback on is the video below by the BBC, created in 2014, which documents the activities of neo-nazi groups in Ukraine who wish to create a "clean" (i.e. ethnically homogeneous) country.
This video surprised me because I had assumed that Putin's claims of nazi groups in Ukraine was absurd. Are these groups small and insignificant, or do they have some real power?
Those nazi groups were seeded and supported by Russia as part of its efforts to weaken Ukraine.
Ukraine doesn't have a Neo-nazi problem. (any more than any other Western country, including the U.S.) They elected Zelensky, who is Jewish, with over 70% of the vote. The mayor of Melitopol is Vitaly Kim, a Korean Ukrainian.
In other words, yes, they are small and insignificant. This morning, it was reported that Russia is bringing in members of Hezbollah to go after Zelensky. So if you're concerned about anti-Semitism and hate groups, your beef is with Russia.
Anonymous
03/12/2022 09:10
Subject: Re:US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:
Has anybody read the article above by "FAIR" (Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting)?
There is a lot of interesting material here that paints a complicated picture which, if accurate, suggests that the US has meddled a great deal in Ukraine's internal affairs, and may have even played a hand in the 2014 revolution. I'm curious to get feedback on the material presented in this article. Is it credible?
A second item that I'd like feedback on is the video below by the BBC, created in 2014, which documents the activities of neo-nazi groups in Ukraine who wish to create a "clean" (i.e. ethnically homogeneous) country.
This video surprised me because I had assumed that Putin's claims of nazi groups in Ukraine was absurd. Are these groups small and insignificant, or do they have some real power?
Those nazi groups were seeded and supported by Russia as part of its efforts to weaken Ukraine.
Ukraine doesn't have a Neo-nazi problem. (any more than any other Western country, including the U.S.) They elected Zelensky, who is Jewish, with over 70% of the vote. The mayor of Melitopol is Vitaly Kim, a Korean Ukrainian.
Anonymous
03/12/2022 08:45
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I wonder if any assassins (from whatever country) have been trying to get to Putin. I’m sure there are plenty of Russians officials who think like Putin but I also assume there are plenty are scared of what he’s capable of and would be glad if he was taken out.
There is 0.000001% of a state sponsored assassin getting close to him.
The only way anyone, internal or external, could get close to him is a pre-planted bomb close to where he may be. It would have to be large, and most likely kill whoever planted it.
He does not travel; makes no public appearances and has the same 3 guarded people make his food. That food supply chain is also guarded/locked down.
So get his spawn in Switzerland then....
You want someone to murder Putin’s kid?
Anonymous
03/12/2022 08:45
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I wonder if any assassins (from whatever country) have been trying to get to Putin. I’m sure there are plenty of Russians officials who think like Putin but I also assume there are plenty are scared of what he’s capable of and would be glad if he was taken out.
There is 0.000001% of a state sponsored assassin getting close to him.
The only way anyone, internal or external, could get close to him is a pre-planted bomb close to where he may be. It would have to be large, and most likely kill whoever planted it.
He does not travel; makes no public appearances and has the same 3 guarded people make his food. That food supply chain is also guarded/locked down.
So get his spawn in Switzerland then....
he doesn't need to be killed. his generals just need to stop obeying him. one wonders why they continue to obey him? I guess they are trained lap dogs. no wonder they cannot win.
Anonymous
03/12/2022 08:43
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Working with allies take a lot more strength and patience than rage tweeting and unilateral action.
When did think-skinned whiners come to be seen as strong? They are the worst kind of coward. They can’t handle any kind of disagreement, and expect loyalty, no matter their own actions. That is not, nor will it ever be, any sign of strength.
this
Anonymous
03/12/2022 08:42
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:So Russia flew a drone all the way to Croatia? Across Romania, Hungary, and 5,6 minutes into Croatia where it crashed or was shot down by NATO?
maybe a probe to see if NATO defenses were really awake or NOT
Anonymous
03/12/2022 08:41
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I wonder if any assassins (from whatever country) have been trying to get to Putin. I’m sure there are plenty of Russians officials who think like Putin but I also assume there are plenty are scared of what he’s capable of and would be glad if he was taken out.
There is 0.000001% of a state sponsored assassin getting close to him.
The only way anyone, internal or external, could get close to him is a pre-planted bomb close to where he may be. It would have to be large, and most likely kill whoever planted it.
He does not travel; makes no public appearances and has the same 3 guarded people make his food. That food supply chain is also guarded/locked down.
So get his spawn in Switzerland then....
Anonymous
03/12/2022 08:35
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
So Russia flew a drone all the way to Croatia? Across Romania, Hungary, and 5,6 minutes into Croatia where it crashed or was shot down by NATO?
Anonymous
03/12/2022 08:22
Subject: Re:US has no good options in Ukraine
Has anybody read the article above by "FAIR" (Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting)?
There is a lot of interesting material here that paints a complicated picture which, if accurate, suggests that the US has meddled a great deal in Ukraine's internal affairs, and may have even played a hand in the 2014 revolution. I'm curious to get feedback on the material presented in this article. Is it credible?
A second item that I'd like feedback on is the video below by the BBC, created in 2014, which documents the activities of neo-nazi groups in Ukraine who wish to create a "clean" (i.e. ethnically homogeneous) country.
This video surprised me because I had assumed that Putin's claims of nazi groups in Ukraine was absurd. Are these groups small and insignificant, or do they have some real power?