Anonymous wrote:It does seem weird that the baby would over heat. I doubt she was exercising as hard as her parents.

Babies that small are terrible at regulating temperature.

Those trail videos are insane. It is a miracle they were found at all! I’m not a hiker but honestly don’t understand why they would have attempted that.

Anonymous wrote:But why would they all die at the same place in the same spot if it’s hyperthermia?

The dog was leashed to the father and the infant was in a backpack. The wife got a bit farther up the very steep trail, about a football field away, before she also collapsed. So they died sometime between Sunday morning and Tuesday morning, not at the same instant. And given the extremely steep trail and no cell service, getting out of the canyon in 109+ heat and direct sun was no easy feat.

The helicopter vid gives a whole new understanding to the changes in elevation to get out of Devil's Gulch and how the truck may as well have been at the top of Everest.

They had only enough water for 1, not 4, did not even wear hats and had no collapsible dog bowl for water. It was 109+ going up SL and had been 105 the day before.

Those who called dopamine chasing seem to have been correct.

https://twitter.com/mgafni/status/1451296369843453960

It does seem weird that the baby would over heat. I doubt she was exercising as hard as her parents.

Anonymous wrote:At least the families have some closure now. Heat stroke, even if negligent, is a lot easier to process. There but for the grace of god go I. They must feel some solace that there was no intentional act by anyone and all those fantasies and character assassinations dreamed up by disturbed strangers did not come to pass. Yikes, the burning man, drug using, orgy participating, narcissistic, selfish, unfit mom, lazy mom, etc.

Right? I’ll just be over here waiting for all those posters who dragged her name through the mud to come back and eat crow.

Anonymous wrote:Still sounds weird to me. 100% makes sense but the whole seated together - the dog died with them? Didn't get away? Baby didn't wander off?

Baby carrier.
Dog leash tethered to husband.

They also said it was unlikely because they had water with them...idk

Still sounds weird to me. 100% makes sense but the whole seated together - the dog died with them? Didn't get away? Baby didn't wander off?

Anonymous wrote:But why would they all die at the same place in the same spot if it’s hyperthermia?

They weren’t in the same spot. She was about a football field away from him.

But why would they all die at the same place in the same spot if it’s hyperthermia?

At least the families have some closure now. Heat stroke, even if negligent, is a lot easier to process. There but for the grace of god go I. They must feel some solace that there was no intentional act by anyone and all those fantasies and character assassinations dreamed up by disturbed strangers did not come to pass. Yikes, the burning man, drug using, orgy participating, narcissistic, selfish, unfit mom, lazy mom, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:That’s awful. Still confused about how they ended up in those positions…the dog especially. I wonder who died first…

Also, I was a staunch FA believer.

I was wrong.

There was nothing significant about the positions. They died where they were, there was enough support to keep them upright until rigor mortis started setting in. No wind, no movement, the bodies just stayed put. And maybe the environmental conditions play into rigor mortis process.

I think the positions of the bodies was the cause of the mystery and the reason that hyperthermia was not the initial, obvious conclusion. Confusion is typical in heat related death, wandering and being off the trail. Just sitting down and dying is not how it usually happens.

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Anonymous wrote:Hypothermia and dehydration?

Hyperthermia. Which, apparently, will not be considered heat stroke by the pedantics on this thread

What a tragedy. Just a stupid mistake, going out on such a hot day. But just as most of the sane posters on this thread thought.

I was a staunch heat stroke backer this whole thread. I maintain that it’s a much stranger mystery that they went on the hike in the first place than it is that the hike in those conditions killed them. RIP.

As many have pointed out repeatedly, he was smart and worked for google. Therefore, he knows everything about anything. As an engineer, I can tell you never know enough. Overconfidence kills people every day

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Anonymous wrote:Hypothermia and dehydration?

Hyperthermia. Which, apparently, will not be considered heat stroke by the pedantics on this thread

What a tragedy. Just a stupid mistake, going out on such a hot day. But just as most of the sane posters on this thread thought.

I was a staunch heat stroke backer this whole thread. I maintain that it’s a much stranger mystery that they went on the hike in the first place than it is that the hike in those conditions killed them. RIP.