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Anonymous wrote:The right, and Leonard Leo specifically, have bought and paid for our Supreme Court Justices and have curated incremental erosion of certain rights over the course of 2+ decades.

Roe is but one example. The Gun Rights, votong rights etc are others.

You’re not going to find a single Republican who finds anything wrong with this whatsoever. But I agree with what I think you’re saying: that the Republican Party is slowly destroying America from within.

DP. Fwiw, I know plenty of Republicans who want nothing to do with abortion and want to leave it to doctors rather than the government and don't want it to be restricted or made illegal. Don't post absolutes if you don't want to be corrected.

The problem is that these constituents don't value the abortion issue enough and they vote in legislators who stick with the party line which is anti-abortion. This is why Republican party leaders try so hard to avoid betting abortion on election ballot initiatives. You saw what happened in Kansas. And I expect the same thing will happen in Ohio over the next few weeks. There are many people who are coming out of the woodwork to vote for the ballot initiative to protect abortion rights.

I think if you correct PPs to be "find a single elected Republican..." that PP would be much closer to the truth.

I won't disagree with that statement - but I will also say that abortion has not been on the ballot significantly since RvW was struck down, and each time it has pro-choice has won. So regular Republicans have not had much of a chance to vote on abortion at all recently. That's why these midterms are so important.

It's not like a discussion on DCUM is going to change anything one way or another - but the way some (many) posters talk about half the country is both incorrect and unhelpful. That was why I responded.

I’m the PP you “corrected” and I still very much take issue with just waving away the forced birther votes of Republican voters and then trying to pretend that they’re something approaching pro choice. That’s false. They made their decision in staying with and voting for the GOP as the GOP’s abortion stance became more and more extreme. So don’t pretend like they occupy some middle ground when they were happy to keep voting for open and aggressive forced birthers.

And look where it got us. So miss me with making excuses for people who think that women’s bodily autonomy is something not to focus on at the ballot box.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The right, and Leonard Leo specifically, have bought and paid for our Supreme Court Justices and have curated incremental erosion of certain rights over the course of 2+ decades.

Roe is but one example. The Gun Rights, votong rights etc are others.

You’re not going to find a single Republican who finds anything wrong with this whatsoever. But I agree with what I think you’re saying: that the Republican Party is slowly destroying America from within.

DP. Fwiw, I know plenty of Republicans who want nothing to do with abortion and want to leave it to doctors rather than the government and don't want it to be restricted or made illegal. Don't post absolutes if you don't want to be corrected.

The problem is that these constituents don't value the abortion issue enough and they vote in legislators who stick with the party line which is anti-abortion. This is why Republican party leaders try so hard to avoid betting abortion on election ballot initiatives. You saw what happened in Kansas. And I expect the same thing will happen in Ohio over the next few weeks. There are many people who are coming out of the woodwork to vote for the ballot initiative to protect abortion rights.

I think if you correct PPs to be "find a single elected Republican..." that PP would be much closer to the truth.

I won't disagree with that statement - but I will also say that abortion has not been on the ballot significantly since RvW was struck down, and each time it has pro-choice has won. So regular Republicans have not had much of a chance to vote on abortion at all recently. That's why these midterms are so important.

It's not like a discussion on DCUM is going to change anything one way or another - but the way some (many) posters talk about half the country is both incorrect and unhelpful. That was why I responded.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The right, and Leonard Leo specifically, have bought and paid for our Supreme Court Justices and have curated incremental erosion of certain rights over the course of 2+ decades.

Roe is but one example. The Gun Rights, votong rights etc are others.

You’re not going to find a single Republican who finds anything wrong with this whatsoever. But I agree with what I think you’re saying: that the Republican Party is slowly destroying America from within.

DP. Fwiw, I know plenty of Republicans who want nothing to do with abortion and want to leave it to doctors rather than the government and don't want it to be restricted or made illegal. Don't post absolutes if you don't want to be corrected.

The problem is that these constituents don't value the abortion issue enough and they vote in legislators who stick with the party line which is anti-abortion. This is why Republican party leaders try so hard to avoid betting abortion on election ballot initiatives. You saw what happened in Kansas. And I expect the same thing will happen in Ohio over the next few weeks. There are many people who are coming out of the woodwork to vote for the ballot initiative to protect abortion rights.

I think if you correct PPs to be "find a single elected Republican..." that PP would be much closer to the truth.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The right, and Leonard Leo specifically, have bought and paid for our Supreme Court Justices and have curated incremental erosion of certain rights over the course of 2+ decades.

Roe is but one example. The Gun Rights, votong rights etc are others.

You’re not going to find a single Republican who finds anything wrong with this whatsoever. But I agree with what I think you’re saying: that the Republican Party is slowly destroying America from within.

DP. Fwiw, I know plenty of Republicans who want nothing to do with abortion and want to leave it to doctors rather than the government and don't want it to be restricted or made illegal. Don't post absolutes if you don't want to be corrected.

When they vote, are they voting for forced birthers? Yes. They have no problem with forced birther politics, not really. They have no problem with the GOP’s astonishing (to me) lack of ethics and will just keep voting for corruption. I’m fine speaking in absolutes about that kind of voter.

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Anonymous wrote:The right, and Leonard Leo specifically, have bought and paid for our Supreme Court Justices and have curated incremental erosion of certain rights over the course of 2+ decades.

Roe is but one example. The Gun Rights, votong rights etc are others.

You’re not going to find a single Republican who finds anything wrong with this whatsoever. But I agree with what I think you’re saying: that the Republican Party is slowly destroying America from within.

DP. Fwiw, I know plenty of Republicans who want nothing to do with abortion and want to leave it to doctors rather than the government and don't want it to be restricted or made illegal. Don't post absolutes if you don't want to be corrected.

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Anonymous wrote:LIVID here for anyone who has been here long enough to remember.

I'm a fed who had an anencephalic pregnancy that I terminated on the advice of my doctor. She performed the abortion at a local hospital and 6 weeks after the procedure I received notices that the procedure wasn't covered and that I owed 9000.

Perhaps you could ask the hospital for financial aid? I know someone who had a something similar but not pregnancy related and she got the bill forgiven

She should not have to do this, though.

No, she shouldn’t. Abortions of any stripe should be covered the same as any other medical procedure, but due to decades of forced birth interfering, it’s not covered. And that’s a travesty.

Anonymous wrote:The right, and Leonard Leo specifically, have bought and paid for our Supreme Court Justices and have curated incremental erosion of certain rights over the course of 2+ decades.

Roe is but one example. The Gun Rights, votong rights etc are others.

You’re not going to find a single Republican who finds anything wrong with this whatsoever. But I agree with what I think you’re saying: that the Republican Party is slowly destroying America from within.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LIVID here for anyone who has been here long enough to remember.

I'm a fed who had an anencephalic pregnancy that I terminated on the advice of my doctor. She performed the abortion at a local hospital and 6 weeks after the procedure I received notices that the procedure wasn't covered and that I owed 9000.

Perhaps you could ask the hospital for financial aid? I know someone who had a something similar but not pregnancy related and she got the bill forgiven

She should not have to do this, though.

The right, and Leonard Leo specifically, have bought and paid for our Supreme Court Justices and have curated incremental erosion of certain rights over the course of 2+ decades.

Roe is but one example. The Gun Rights, votong rights etc are others.

exceptionally sick people

Anonymous wrote:LIVID here for anyone who has been here long enough to remember.

I'm a fed who had an anencephalic pregnancy that I terminated on the advice of my doctor. She performed the abortion at a local hospital and 6 weeks after the procedure I received notices that the procedure wasn't covered and that I owed 9000.

Perhaps you could ask the hospital for financial aid? I know someone who had a something similar but not pregnancy related and she got the bill forgiven

Anonymous wrote:LIVID here for anyone who has been here long enough to remember.

I'm a fed who had an anencephalic pregnancy that I terminated on the advice of my doctor. She performed the abortion at a local hospital and 6 weeks after the procedure I received notices that the procedure wasn't covered and that I owed 9000.

And that policy was a direct result of forced birther politics and I’m sorry you experienced it. I don’t remember what happened to you after that loss, but I think of you sometimes. ❤️

LIVID here for anyone who has been here long enough to remember.

I'm a fed who had an anencephalic pregnancy that I terminated on the advice of my doctor. She performed the abortion at a local hospital and 6 weeks after the procedure I received notices that the procedure wasn't covered and that I owed 9000.

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Anonymous wrote:It would be nice, for once, if conservatives would use any of the compassion God gave them and to imagine themselves in other people’s shoes instead of having to experience personally the situations we pro choice people tried to warn them about.

Another bad and badly written law.

These people were rescued by the compassion of Planned Parenthood and their donors. And they are now single issue, pro choice voters. https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/08/health/ohio-abortion-long/index.html

Terrible story. Can we please all work hard and vote hard and donate hard to return the good people of this country to the sensible protections of Roe.

Except this didn’t have anything to do with the recent decision.

She was not prevented from getting an abortion.

She didn’t have insurance cover for the abortion due to a state law that dictates what health insurance coverage is available to state employees. A law that has existed for 25 years.

The law that prohibited state employees using their insurance to cover abortion except in narrowly defined cases was enacted in 1998.

Federal employee insurance plans also don’t cover abortion.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It would be nice, for once, if conservatives would use any of the compassion God gave them and to imagine themselves in other people’s shoes instead of having to experience personally the situations we pro choice people tried to warn them about.

Another bad and badly written law.

These people were rescued by the compassion of Planned Parenthood and their donors. And they are now single issue, pro choice voters. https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/08/health/ohio-abortion-long/index.html

Terrible story. Can we please all work hard and vote hard and donate hard to return the good people of this country to the sensible protections of Roe.

Except this didn’t have anything to do with the recent decision.

She was not prevented from getting an abortion.

She didn’t have insurance cover for the abortion due to a state law that dictates what health insurance coverage is available to state employees. A law that has existed for 25 years.

The law that prohibited state employees using their insurance to cover abortion except in narrowly defined cases was enacted in 1998.

This just illustrates how much damage forced birthers were able to cause before the repeal of Roe. You are driving home the point that Roe wasn’t enough then, and isn’t enough now.
Keep politics out of Women’s health care.