Anonymous
09/13/2021 14:21
Subject: Diversity Equity and Inclusion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Asians are often considered “white adjacent.”
I’m not sure how the success of black immigrants gets explained.
Black immigrants from Africa and the Caribbean come from upper middle class and educated professionals, not the poor laborers and servants there. You racists always ignore the huge advancements of U.S. blacks since partial enforcement of civil rights. There has been a huge increase in bachelors, masters, and professional degrees and incomes and standards of living.
That can't be right. To hear the anti-racists tell it, nothing has gotten better for Black people since the Founding.
Of course things have gotten better, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t many challenges still. Things have also gotten better for women but they still are behind men in many ways, such as representation in government, and they still make less than men on average—82 cents for every dollar a man makes. So should we as a society stop striving for more equality because “things have gotten better”?
Strive as you wish for the magic “equality” that you cannot define. The sad fact is that our country is sliding away from equality as our educational standards are weakened by the woke who believe leveling will make us better when the opposite is true. Kids strong in humanities and weak in math and science cannot become adults who sustain our economy.
I know you love throwing out the word woke like it makes you cool or something, but your comment is dumb. Just because someone is woke (which you have no idea what that means) does not mean that we want to lower our educational standards. At the same time, the truth is, the world does not revolve around math and science. I work for a think tank. I need kids who write well - which is difficult to find b/c everyone is so focused on math and science. They can't think their way out of a paper bag but they can do math. Steve Jobs was a psychology major.
The word woke is commonly associated with folks who want a racial reckoning, which has ramped up in the last two years, as they’re obviously upset by the terrible historical injustices of slavery, and its legacy which affects many aspects of American society today. They also don’t like police brutality, because police killings disproportionately affect the black community based on their size of the population.
There are laudable goals to reduce racism and the things listed above.
Then there are questionable polices that are being implemented under amorphous equity goals.
These include things like ending AP classes as we know them, to allow more people to get in. It’s essentially watering down academic vigor in favor of a quota system. Then there are things like deeming things that aren’t racist as being racist. “Show your work” is not a racist thing. Conventional math is not racist. It’s either you know it or you don’t. In NY, 2/3rds of the Asian students were FARMS students. Yet, they represent a success story at the school. Ending race neutral entrance exams to a challenging school because that school comprises “too many” Asian or white students just seems counterintuitive and would ensure resentment. The Dems need to be tough and fair with what types of policies they implement or they will lose elections. I am a moderate dem and am getting fed up with being beaten over the head with “white fragility” and guilt based solutions to complex realities.
Except that no one was happy with the recently current state of Stuy, including and/or especially Asian students. It needed to be fixed. Whether this is the right fix, something needed to change, and this is a start. Paralysis solves no problems.
No one, huh? Sounds like you’re pulling that out of your ace.
I think the FARMS immigrant students who were excelling found it to be working. Who is no one? It was the most highly regarded public school in NY. I’m sure many current and former students disagree with your anecdotal assessment. We can’t just a trophy to everyone. Unfortunately, we need planes built by engineers who weren’t just give an honorary degree out of fairness, in order for it to fly correctly.
Anonymous
09/13/2021 14:11
Subject: Diversity Equity and Inclusion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:DE&I initiatives are just a cover for accepted norms by many in the black culture that actually hurt their very own progress. Other cultures have not accepted these norms and have succeeded because of it. It's pretty simple really.
Lol half of all Americans made less than $45,000. Most Americans regardless
of skin color are not successful and will never be successful.
What does this have to do w DEI? I guess success can be defined by one's experience and where they have come from. An immigrant who came from nothing loves the idea of making $48k. Other's from wealthier backgrounds may not think that is enough. As a teacher, I never signed up to be rich. Was never my idea of being "successful".
Anonymous
09/13/2021 14:01
Subject: Re:Diversity Equity and Inclusion
These include things like ending AP classes as we know them, to allow more people to get in. It’s essentially watering down academic vigor in favor of a quota system. Then there are things like deeming things that aren’t racist as being racist. “Show your work” is not a racist thing. Conventional math is not racist. It’s either you know it or you don’t. In NY, 2/3rds of the Asian students were FARMS students. Yet, they represent a success story at the school. Ending race neutral entrance exams to a challenging school because that school comprises “too many” Asian or white students just seems counterintuitive and would ensure resentment. The Dems need to be tough and fair with what types of policies they implement or they will lose elections. I am a moderate dem and am getting fed up with being beaten over the head with “white fragility” and guilt based solutions to complex realities.
Totally agree with this. Dems are going to get slaughtered in the election cycle if they cannot get their heads around the fact that people will vote in according to what they are directly experiencing. People see the above for what it is ---a watering down of standards---and the more that it is couched in obfuscatory and guilt-inducing "equity" euphemisms, the more people will just call BS. Similarly, I don't care how much Charles Allen and Brianne Nadeau bleat about how we need to weaken our law enforcement due to systemic racism when citizens and children are being killed in the cross-fire of feuding gangbangers who should be locked in jail away from the rest of us.
Anonymous
09/13/2021 13:44
Subject: Diversity Equity and Inclusion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Asians are often considered “white adjacent.”
I’m not sure how the success of black immigrants gets explained.
Black immigrants from Africa and the Caribbean come from upper middle class and educated professionals, not the poor laborers and servants there. You racists always ignore the huge advancements of U.S. blacks since partial enforcement of civil rights. There has been a huge increase in bachelors, masters, and professional degrees and incomes and standards of living.
That can't be right. To hear the anti-racists tell it, nothing has gotten better for Black people since the Founding.
Of course things have gotten better, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t many challenges still. Things have also gotten better for women but they still are behind men in many ways, such as representation in government, and they still make less than men on average—82 cents for every dollar a man makes. So should we as a society stop striving for more equality because “things have gotten better”?
Strive as you wish for the magic “equality” that you cannot define. The sad fact is that our country is sliding away from equality as our educational standards are weakened by the woke who believe leveling will make us better when the opposite is true. Kids strong in humanities and weak in math and science cannot become adults who sustain our economy.
I know you love throwing out the word woke like it makes you cool or something, but your comment is dumb. Just because someone is woke (which you have no idea what that means) does not mean that we want to lower our educational standards. At the same time, the truth is, the world does not revolve around math and science. I work for a think tank. I need kids who write well - which is difficult to find b/c everyone is so focused on math and science. They can't think their way out of a paper bag but they can do math. Steve Jobs was a psychology major.
The word woke is commonly associated with folks who want a racial reckoning, which has ramped up in the last two years, as they’re obviously upset by the terrible historical injustices of slavery, and its legacy which affects many aspects of American society today. They also don’t like police brutality, because police killings disproportionately affect the black community based on their size of the population.
There are laudable goals to reduce racism and the things listed above.
Then there are questionable polices that are being implemented under amorphous equity goals.
These include things like ending AP classes as we know them, to allow more people to get in. It’s essentially watering down academic vigor in favor of a quota system. Then there are things like deeming things that aren’t racist as being racist. “Show your work” is not a racist thing. Conventional math is not racist. It’s either you know it or you don’t. In NY, 2/3rds of the Asian students were FARMS students. Yet, they represent a success story at the school. Ending race neutral entrance exams to a challenging school because that school comprises “too many” Asian or white students just seems counterintuitive and would ensure resentment. The Dems need to be tough and fair with what types of policies they implement or they will lose elections. I am a moderate dem and am getting fed up with being beaten over the head with “white fragility” and guilt based solutions to complex realities.
Except that no one was happy with the recently current state of Stuy, including and/or especially Asian students. It needed to be fixed. Whether this is the right fix, something needed to change, and this is a start. Paralysis solves no problems.
Anonymous
09/13/2021 13:41
Subject: Diversity Equity and Inclusion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Asians are often considered “white adjacent.”
I’m not sure how the success of black immigrants gets explained.
Black immigrants from Africa and the Caribbean come from upper middle class and educated professionals, not the poor laborers and servants there. You racists always ignore the huge advancements of U.S. blacks since partial enforcement of civil rights. There has been a huge increase in bachelors, masters, and professional degrees and incomes and standards of living.
That can't be right. To hear the anti-racists tell it, nothing has gotten better for Black people since the Founding.
Of course things have gotten better, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t many challenges still. Things have also gotten better for women but they still are behind men in many ways, such as representation in government, and they still make less than men on average—82 cents for every dollar a man makes. So should we as a society stop striving for more equality because “things have gotten better”?
The problem is that you paint things in such black and white terms.
Women also make less because of choice of profession in fields that pay less, they also generally and historically negotiate salary less forcefully than men, and they take a more collaborative approach to things rather than this cut throat attitude men have. However, women are eclipsing men in education these days and will soon dominate the world.
Anonymous
09/13/2021 11:45
Subject: Diversity Equity and Inclusion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Asians are often considered “white adjacent.”
I’m not sure how the success of black immigrants gets explained.
Black immigrants from Africa and the Caribbean come from upper middle class and educated professionals, not the poor laborers and servants there. You racists always ignore the huge advancements of U.S. blacks since partial enforcement of civil rights. There has been a huge increase in bachelors, masters, and professional degrees and incomes and standards of living.
That can't be right. To hear the anti-racists tell it, nothing has gotten better for Black people since the Founding.
Of course things have gotten better, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t many challenges still. Things have also gotten better for women but they still are behind men in many ways, such as representation in government, and they still make less than men on average—82 cents for every dollar a man makes. So should we as a society stop striving for more equality because “things have gotten better”?
Strive as you wish for the magic “equality” that you cannot define. The sad fact is that our country is sliding away from equality as our educational standards are weakened by the woke who believe leveling will make us better when the opposite is true. Kids strong in humanities and weak in math and science cannot become adults who sustain our economy.
I know you love throwing out the word woke like it makes you cool or something, but your comment is dumb. Just because someone is woke (which you have no idea what that means) does not mean that we want to lower our educational standards. At the same time, the truth is, the world does not revolve around math and science. I work for a think tank. I need kids who write well - which is difficult to find b/c everyone is so focused on math and science. They can't think their way out of a paper bag but they can do math. Steve Jobs was a psychology major.
Your post seems either somewhat naiive or disingenuous.
1) is lowering the bar for entrance to an ap class, or ending ap classes altogether, not lowering educational standards?
2) the world literally does revolve around math and science. We will lose the space race, AI, tech and all this other stuff if we just lower academic rigor and let anyone in to any class at all times. We need qualified citizens.
Anonymous
09/13/2021 11:29
Subject: Diversity Equity and Inclusion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Asians are often considered “white adjacent.”
I’m not sure how the success of black immigrants gets explained.
Black immigrants from Africa and the Caribbean come from upper middle class and educated professionals, not the poor laborers and servants there. You racists always ignore the huge advancements of U.S. blacks since partial enforcement of civil rights. There has been a huge increase in bachelors, masters, and professional degrees and incomes and standards of living.
That can't be right. To hear the anti-racists tell it, nothing has gotten better for Black people since the Founding.
Of course things have gotten better, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t many challenges still. Things have also gotten better for women but they still are behind men in many ways, such as representation in government, and they still make less than men on average—82 cents for every dollar a man makes. So should we as a society stop striving for more equality because “things have gotten better”?
Strive as you wish for the magic “equality” that you cannot define. The sad fact is that our country is sliding away from equality as our educational standards are weakened by the woke who believe leveling will make us better when the opposite is true. Kids strong in humanities and weak in math and science cannot become adults who sustain our economy.
I know you love throwing out the word woke like it makes you cool or something, but your comment is dumb. Just because someone is woke (which you have no idea what that means) does not mean that we want to lower our educational standards. At the same time, the truth is, the world does not revolve around math and science. I work for a think tank. I need kids who write well - which is difficult to find b/c everyone is so focused on math and science. They can't think their way out of a paper bag but they can do math. Steve Jobs was a psychology major.
The word woke is commonly associated with folks who want a racial reckoning, which has ramped up in the last two years, as they’re obviously upset by the terrible historical injustices of slavery, and its legacy which affects many aspects of American society today. They also don’t like police brutality, because police killings disproportionately affect the black community based on their size of the population.
There are laudable goals to reduce racism and the things listed above.
Then there are questionable polices that are being implemented under amorphous equity goals.
These include things like ending AP classes as we know them, to allow more people to get in. It’s essentially watering down academic vigor in favor of a quota system. Then there are things like deeming things that aren’t racist as being racist. “Show your work” is not a racist thing. Conventional math is not racist. It’s either you know it or you don’t. In NY, 2/3rds of the Asian students were FARMS students. Yet, they represent a success story at the school. Ending race neutral entrance exams to a challenging school because that school comprises “too many” Asian or white students just seems counterintuitive and would ensure resentment. The Dems need to be tough and fair with what types of policies they implement or they will lose elections. I am a moderate dem and am getting fed up with being beaten over the head with “white fragility” and guilt based solutions to complex realities.
Sorry I mean at Stuyvesant school.
Anonymous
09/13/2021 11:28
Subject: Diversity Equity and Inclusion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Asians are often considered “white adjacent.”
I’m not sure how the success of black immigrants gets explained.
Black immigrants from Africa and the Caribbean come from upper middle class and educated professionals, not the poor laborers and servants there. You racists always ignore the huge advancements of U.S. blacks since partial enforcement of civil rights. There has been a huge increase in bachelors, masters, and professional degrees and incomes and standards of living.
That can't be right. To hear the anti-racists tell it, nothing has gotten better for Black people since the Founding.
Of course things have gotten better, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t many challenges still. Things have also gotten better for women but they still are behind men in many ways, such as representation in government, and they still make less than men on average—82 cents for every dollar a man makes. So should we as a society stop striving for more equality because “things have gotten better”?
Strive as you wish for the magic “equality” that you cannot define. The sad fact is that our country is sliding away from equality as our educational standards are weakened by the woke who believe leveling will make us better when the opposite is true. Kids strong in humanities and weak in math and science cannot become adults who sustain our economy.
I know you love throwing out the word woke like it makes you cool or something, but your comment is dumb. Just because someone is woke (which you have no idea what that means) does not mean that we want to lower our educational standards. At the same time, the truth is, the world does not revolve around math and science. I work for a think tank. I need kids who write well - which is difficult to find b/c everyone is so focused on math and science. They can't think their way out of a paper bag but they can do math. Steve Jobs was a psychology major.
The word woke is commonly associated with folks who want a racial reckoning, which has ramped up in the last two years, as they’re obviously upset by the terrible historical injustices of slavery, and its legacy which affects many aspects of American society today. They also don’t like police brutality, because police killings disproportionately affect the black community based on their size of the population.
There are laudable goals to reduce racism and the things listed above.
Then there are questionable polices that are being implemented under amorphous equity goals.
These include things like ending AP classes as we know them, to allow more people to get in. It’s essentially watering down academic vigor in favor of a quota system. Then there are things like deeming things that aren’t racist as being racist. “Show your work” is not a racist thing. Conventional math is not racist. It’s either you know it or you don’t. In NY, 2/3rds of the Asian students were FARMS students. Yet, they represent a success story at the school. Ending race neutral entrance exams to a challenging school because that school comprises “too many” Asian or white students just seems counterintuitive and would ensure resentment. The Dems need to be tough and fair with what types of policies they implement or they will lose elections. I am a moderate dem and am getting fed up with being beaten over the head with “white fragility” and guilt based solutions to complex realities.
Anonymous
09/13/2021 10:51
Subject: Diversity Equity and Inclusion
You certainly do need kids who write well.
Anonymous
09/13/2021 10:33
Subject: Diversity Equity and Inclusion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Asians are often considered “white adjacent.”
I’m not sure how the success of black immigrants gets explained.
Black immigrants from Africa and the Caribbean come from upper middle class and educated professionals, not the poor laborers and servants there. You racists always ignore the huge advancements of U.S. blacks since partial enforcement of civil rights. There has been a huge increase in bachelors, masters, and professional degrees and incomes and standards of living.
That can't be right. To hear the anti-racists tell it, nothing has gotten better for Black people since the Founding.
Of course things have gotten better, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t many challenges still. Things have also gotten better for women but they still are behind men in many ways, such as representation in government, and they still make less than men on average—82 cents for every dollar a man makes. So should we as a society stop striving for more equality because “things have gotten better”?
Strive as you wish for the magic “equality” that you cannot define. The sad fact is that our country is sliding away from equality as our educational standards are weakened by the woke who believe leveling will make us better when the opposite is true. Kids strong in humanities and weak in math and science cannot become adults who sustain our economy.
I know you love throwing out the word woke like it makes you cool or something, but your comment is dumb. Just because someone is woke (which you have no idea what that means) does not mean that we want to lower our educational standards. At the same time, the truth is, the world does not revolve around math and science. I work for a think tank. I need kids who write well - which is difficult to find b/c everyone is so focused on math and science. They can't think their way out of a paper bag but they can do math. Steve Jobs was a psychology major.
Anonymous
09/13/2021 10:18
Subject: Diversity Equity and Inclusion
Anonymous wrote:DE&I initiatives are just a cover for accepted norms by many in the black culture that actually hurt their very own progress. Other cultures have not accepted these norms and have succeeded because of it. It's pretty simple really.
Lol half of all Americans made less than $45,000. Most Americans regardless
of skin color are not successful and will never be successful.
Anonymous
09/13/2021 09:13
Subject: Diversity Equity and Inclusion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Asians are often considered “white adjacent.”
I’m not sure how the success of black immigrants gets explained.
Black immigrants from Africa and the Caribbean come from upper middle class and educated professionals, not the poor laborers and servants there. You racists always ignore the huge advancements of U.S. blacks since partial enforcement of civil rights. There has been a huge increase in bachelors, masters, and professional degrees and incomes and standards of living.
That can't be right. To hear the anti-racists tell it, nothing has gotten better for Black people since the Founding.
Of course things have gotten better, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t many challenges still. Things have also gotten better for women but they still are behind men in many ways, such as representation in government, and they still make less than men on average—82 cents for every dollar a man makes. So should we as a society stop striving for more equality because “things have gotten better”?
Nope. We shouldn't stop striving. But we should be careful to note that many people - black, white, man, and woman - have worked very hard to improve conditions for minority groups and have had notable successes. Ignoring those successes leads to nihilism and a feeling of "can't win, why bother?" The people who justify smashing windows in the name of justice and equity because nobody ever pays attention otherwise pretend that there haven't been improvements in the past.
Anonymous
09/13/2021 08:56
Subject: Diversity Equity and Inclusion
DE&I initiatives are just a cover for accepted norms by many in the black culture that actually hurt their very own progress. Other cultures have not accepted these norms and have succeeded because of it. It's pretty simple really.
Anonymous
09/13/2021 08:52
Subject: Diversity Equity and Inclusion
Anonymous wrote:Movement went too far and got too silly.
+1
Anonymous
09/13/2021 08:51
Subject: Diversity Equity and Inclusion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Asians are often considered “white adjacent.”
I’m not sure how the success of black immigrants gets explained.
Black immigrants from Africa and the Caribbean come from upper middle class and educated professionals, not the poor laborers and servants there. You racists always ignore the huge advancements of U.S. blacks since partial enforcement of civil rights. There has been a huge increase in bachelors, masters, and professional degrees and incomes and standards of living.
That can't be right. To hear the anti-racists tell it, nothing has gotten better for Black people since the Founding.
Of course things have gotten better, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t many challenges still. Things have also gotten better for women but they still are behind men in many ways, such as representation in government, and they still make less than men on average—82 cents for every dollar a man makes. So should we as a society stop striving for more equality because “things have gotten better”?
Strive as you wish for the magic “equality” that you cannot define. The sad fact is that our country is sliding away from equality as our educational standards are weakened by the woke who believe leveling will make us better when the opposite is true. Kids strong in humanities and weak in math and science cannot become adults who sustain our economy.