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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:The students who cheated shouldnt face legal problems but they should be removed from TJ for cheating.

Good luck with that. Cheating is rampant at TJ

NP here. I'm pretty sure this thread and the other similar thread are between just two people, who need to get a life. Nobody cares about this as much as the both of you. GET A LIFE.

And yet here you are commenting. Sounds like Curie reps or parents trying to shut down discussion.

There is someone running around on these boards saying "Curie did nothing wrong".... which you wouldn't know unless you work for them or have some investment in them. So it should be assumed that there are Curie reps spreading propaganda here.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The students who cheated shouldnt face legal problems but they should be removed from TJ for cheating.

Good luck with that. Cheating is rampant at TJ

NP here. I'm pretty sure this thread and the other similar thread are between just two people, who need to get a life. Nobody cares about this as much as the both of you. GET A LIFE.

And yet here you are commenting. Sounds like Curie reps or parents trying to shut down discussion.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The students who cheated shouldnt face legal problems but they should be removed from TJ for cheating.

Good luck with that. Cheating is rampant at TJ

NP here. I'm pretty sure this thread and the other similar thread are between just two people, who need to get a life. Nobody cares about this as much as the both of you. GET A LIFE.

Anonymous wrote:The students who cheated shouldnt face legal problems but they should be removed from TJ for cheating.

Good luck with that. Cheating is rampant at TJ

well no one really "needs" TJ. It is a nice resume boost and bragging right for parents and the kid.

The hard worker kids do not “need” TJ. It should be for the kids twiddling their thumbs if they don’t get to go.

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Anonymous wrote:Also, there isn't a requirement to plan "for years to go to TJ and giving up tons of other opportunities during your formative years" That's not what TJ should be about, and many successful kids DON'T do that. However, if that's how one chooses to parent, who am I to tell them differently.

Oh yeah, I mean, knock yourself out if that's how you want to parent your kid. My argument is that it shouldn't help with the TJ process, and if it didn't, you'd find far fewer parents who choose to do it that way. But right now it does, and the Curie scandal proves it.

IT only helps the TJ process for kids who aren't naturally talented. There are some who take the test cold and don't do all the stressful prep but still get in.

Yep! And I firmly believe that the process can be tweaked to still identify those naturally talented kids but separate them from the ones who, because they only get in because of prep and hard work, end up having to annihilate themselves when they're at TJ just to survive. It doesn't help anyone for those kids to be at TJ.

It's not that hard work is a problem - it's that if you have to work unbelievably hard in order to qualify for TJ, it's probably going to overwhelm you once you get there.

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Anonymous wrote:Also, there isn't a requirement to plan "for years to go to TJ and giving up tons of other opportunities during your formative years" That's not what TJ should be about, and many successful kids DON'T do that. However, if that's how one chooses to parent, who am I to tell them differently.

Oh yeah, I mean, knock yourself out if that's how you want to parent your kid. My argument is that it shouldn't help with the TJ process, and if it didn't, you'd find far fewer parents who choose to do it that way. But right now it does, and the Curie scandal proves it.

IT only helps the TJ process for kids who aren't naturally talented. There are some who take the test cold and don't do all the stressful prep but still get in.

Anonymous wrote:Also, there isn't a requirement to plan "for years to go to TJ and giving up tons of other opportunities during your formative years" That's not what TJ should be about, and many successful kids DON'T do that. However, if that's how one chooses to parent, who am I to tell them differently.

Oh yeah, I mean, knock yourself out if that's how you want to parent your kid. My argument is that it shouldn't help with the TJ process, and if it didn't, you'd find far fewer parents who choose to do it that way. But right now it does, and the Curie scandal proves it.

Also, there isn't a requirement to plan "for years to go to TJ and giving up tons of other opportunities during your formative years" That's not what TJ should be about, and many successful kids DON'T do that. However, if that's how one chooses to parent, who am I to tell them differently.

The students who cheated shouldnt face legal problems but they should be removed from TJ for cheating.

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]This is just the more extreme version of what everyone knows has been going on for many years. [/quote]

No, this is a whole other level. What was going on before was lots of nose to the grindstone. This is actually what most of the prep places work on. Essentially the same skills that kids work on when they take the SAT/ACT.

This disgusting and dishonest. The TJ students recognized it and called out the company themselves. [/quote]

Yep. And here's the thing - please don't blame the students for this... especially the ones with the guts to open up and talk about what happened. All they were doing was taking advantage of an opportunity that their parents provided them with.

Go after the testing center and their owners, and MUCH more importantly, fix the TJ admissions process NOW so that this sort of thing can't happen again. Eliminate the Quant-Q immediately and probably do away with the test this year completely because of COVID anyway. Use the time gained to genuinely reform the process so that students and families can't misrepresent their abilities through targeted prep classes that put parents with resources ahead of students with real talent.

[quote=Anonymous]This is just the more extreme version of what everyone knows has been going on for many years. [/quote]

No, this is a whole other level. What was going on before was lots of nose to the grindstone. This is actually what most of the prep places work on. Essentially the same skills that kids work on when they take the SAT/ACT.

This disgusting and dishonest. The TJ students recognized it and called out the company themselves.

This is just the more extreme version of what everyone knows has been going on for many years.

Dig even a little further into Curie's Facebook page and you'll find photos of a similar list from 2019 - the class of 2023. This list has 95 students admitted to TJ, and would have been the second year of the Quant-Q.

https://www.facebook.com/curielearningllc/photos/a.1216414351848218/1216596798496640

And here is the list from 2018 - which would have been the first year of the Quant-Q. Only 51 successful TJ applicants!

https://www.facebook.com/curielearningllc/photos/a.975923525897303/975988479224141/

From 51 to 95 to 133 in the first three years of the Quant-Q. The most charitable explanation is that the organization has gained a reputation and has grown because of good word of mouth. A darker explanation is that they're handing kids an exam that is supposed to be secure - which is what TJ kids are telling us that they're doing.

You decide.