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Anonymous wrote:This thread clearly highlights that the perceived quality of the school is based on the economic status of the student population and not the academics provided at the school.

Einstein has an IB program, a visual and performing arts center, and many opportunities for smart kids to succeed. If you compare the same demographics from Einstein and WJ, the outcomes are the same.

Also, with housing prices continuing to increase (along with the heavy burden of cost of child care and student loan debt), there are more and more MC/UMC families with educated parents living in the Einstein cluster, sending their kids to the MCPS public schools. The demographics are changing, which will change the test scores for the school as a whole.

We chose to live in bounds for Einstein because we see value in our MC child being friends with and learning from children who come from backgrounds different than ours.

As another poster pointed out, the same kid would do the same at any of these schools. The main variables that impact that seem mainly external since the schools provide comparable academic opportunities.

Anonymous wrote:This thread clearly highlights that the perceived quality of the school is based on the economic status of the student population and not the academics provided at the school.

Einstein has an IB program, a visual and performing arts center, and many opportunities for smart kids to succeed. If you compare the same demographics from Einstein and WJ, the outcomes are the same.

Also, with housing prices continuing to increase (along with the heavy burden of cost of child care and student loan debt), there are more and more MC/UMC families with educated parents living in the Einstein cluster, sending their kids to the MCPS public schools. The demographics are changing, which will change the test scores for the school as a whole.

We chose to live in bounds for Einstein because we see value in our MC child being friends with and learning from children who come from backgrounds different than ours.

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Anonymous wrote:W aren’t better schools, they are better peer groups that enjoy better resources while consistently producing better outcomes

I teach at a W and firmly believe this is NOT a peer group I want for my children.

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Anonymous wrote:What people don’t talk about here is that kids at Einstein are likely just as smart as those in W schools but it doesn’t show. They are often moving more often, do not have resources other kids have and are not surrounded by peers who are “going places” and who could challenge and inspire them. It’s not to say some Einstein students aren’t succeeding but many students are not feeling a sense that there is a ton of hope.

Who your kid surrounds themselves with is very important. If they don’t see tons of kids going off to highly competitive colleges, they won’t have that expectation for themselves.

I’ve noticed even the smarter kids at Einstein go to no name colleges. It’s just a different environment.

What are you talking about? My kids are in the same exact sports, camps, summer programs and music programs as the W kids. Only difference is the size of the college fund. Many of us have equal or higher incomes than you but we choose this area as we don't want our kids surrounded by people like you.

My no name college spouse is doing far better than my ivy league sibling (for college and graduate school).

DP and also, if PP thinks that going to name brand colleges is largely about being smart, I’ve got a bridge to sell them. If
who your kids surround themselves with matters, it’s mostly because of connections, not because of intellect.

As for the DCC being a different environment than at W schools: yes, it is, and many of us here prefer it that way. I have zero interest in my children being surrounded by self-absorbed privilege and thinking that’s normal. I went to a W school myself and then learned better once I got out in the real world. So, yes, I want better for my kids, and I won’t find it at Whitman.

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Don't fool yourself into thinking Whitman is a private-like experience. It's a public school for rich kids.

For rich families or over extended families to cheap to pay for private. They want bragging rights to think Whitman is that special. Many of the kids I knew who went there were no happier there than any other school.

Colleges will only take so many kids from each high school. So, with wealthier parents, they get tutors are are generally "smarter" so your child may have a better chance at colleges at a school like Einstein over Whitman. (and a better college fund)

Whitman parents for the most part aren’t worried about their kids getting into colleges, they just don’t want their kids going to school with the kids that go to Einstein. End of conversation.

Einstein parents are worried about their kids getting into college and rationalizing it that way because 1) it helps them feel better about their ability to provide while only making it so high up the ladder (it’s what’s best for my kids anyway right??) & 2)they know how precarious it is for the mediocre middle and if they don’t make a decent college, they will qualify for the same outcome as the “other” half of Einstein’s kids get which isn’t very good. Say what you want but almost no one who doesn’t have a melt down post Whitman ends up like most of Einstein does on an avg day. Maybe it isn’t the school but the economic safety net those kids enjoy but who wants to go swimming with a bunch of kids who don’t know how to swim? Well maybe Einstein parents, oh wait they don’t, they just make their kids.

This is so poorly written.

It's also crazy nonsense.

You’re right upper middle class are dying to send their kids to Einstein and live among the baristas and maids of the world, they just can’t afford it. It’s also a shame most W kids don’t make it into college since they don’t have the benefit of competing against the lesser students the PPP was hypothesizing makes it easier for Einstein kids to get into college. But sure that post was the crazy nonsense one

Or the W’s pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to millions to avoid the DCC kids especially the Einstein and Kennedys out there. And most Whitman kids get into great colleges along with all of their friends. That isn’t the case at Einstein, spin away or tell me the not poor kids do ok or what ever helps you feel at peace consuming the metro areas hand-me-downs

In WJ so I have no dog in this fight, but I intentionally told DH to not bid on a house we could have won in Whitman cluster because of people like you. I would much rather have DC go to Einstein than a school full of closet racist, openly classist limousine white liberals like you.

Tell me you're a white progressive with a BLM sign in your yard without telling me you're a white progressive with a BLM sign in your yard.

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Anonymous wrote:W aren’t better schools, they are better peer groups that enjoy better resources while consistently producing better outcomes

I teach at a W and firmly believe this is NOT a peer group I want for my children.

Being a teacher you know about the concept of sour grapes and your ability to actually afford living in a W zone without the help of a man or family.

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Anonymous wrote:What people don’t talk about here is that kids at Einstein are likely just as smart as those in W schools but it doesn’t show. They are often moving more often, do not have resources other kids have and are not surrounded by peers who are “going places” and who could challenge and inspire them. It’s not to say some Einstein students aren’t succeeding but many students are not feeling a sense that there is a ton of hope.

Who your kid surrounds themselves with is very important. If they don’t see tons of kids going off to highly competitive colleges, they won’t have that expectation for themselves.

I’ve noticed even the smarter kids at Einstein go to no name colleges. It’s just a different environment.

What are you talking about? My kids are in the same exact sports, camps, summer programs and music programs as the W kids. Only difference is the size of the college fund. Many of us have equal or higher incomes than you but we choose this area as we don't want our kids surrounded by people like you.

My no name college spouse is doing far better than my ivy league sibling (for college and graduate school).

DP and also, if PP thinks that going to name brand colleges is largely about being smart, I’ve got a bridge to sell them. If
who your kids surround themselves with matters, it’s mostly because of connections, not because of intellect.

As for the DCC being a different environment than at W schools: yes, it is, and many of us here prefer it that way. I have zero interest in my children being surrounded by self-absorbed privilege and thinking that’s normal. I went to a W school myself and then learned better once I got out in the real world. So, yes, I want better for my kids, and I won’t find it at Whitman.

+1 same

Don't fool yourself into thinking Whitman is a private-like experience. It's a public school for rich kids.

For rich families or over extended families to cheap to pay for private. They want bragging rights to think Whitman is that special. Many of the kids I knew who went there were no happier there than any other school.

Colleges will only take so many kids from each high school. So, with wealthier parents, they get tutors are are generally "smarter" so your child may have a better chance at colleges at a school like Einstein over Whitman. (and a better college fund)

Whitman parents for the most part aren’t worried about their kids getting into colleges, they just don’t want their kids going to school with the kids that go to Einstein. End of conversation.

Einstein parents are worried about their kids getting into college and rationalizing it that way because 1) it helps them feel better about their ability to provide while only making it so high up the ladder (it’s what’s best for my kids anyway right??) & 2)they know how precarious it is for the mediocre middle and if they don’t make a decent college, they will qualify for the same outcome as the “other” half of Einstein’s kids get which isn’t very good. Say what you want but almost no one who doesn’t have a melt down post Whitman ends up like most of Einstein does on an avg day. Maybe it isn’t the school but the economic safety net those kids enjoy but who wants to go swimming with a bunch of kids who don’t know how to swim? Well maybe Einstein parents, oh wait they don’t, they just make their kids.

This is so poorly written.

It's also crazy nonsense.

You’re right upper middle class are dying to send their kids to Einstein and live among the baristas and maids of the world, they just can’t afford it. It’s also a shame most W kids don’t make it into college since they don’t have the benefit of competing against the lesser students the PPP was hypothesizing makes it easier for Einstein kids to get into college. But sure that post was the crazy nonsense one

Or the W’s pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to millions to avoid the DCC kids especially the Einstein and Kennedys out there. And most Whitman kids get into great colleges along with all of their friends. That isn’t the case at Einstein, spin away or tell me the not poor kids do ok or what ever helps you feel at peace consuming the metro areas hand-me-downs

In WJ so I have no dog in this fight, but I intentionally told DH to not bid on a house we could have won in Whitman cluster because of people like you. I would much rather have DC go to Einstein than a school full of closet racist, openly classist limousine white liberals like you.

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Anonymous wrote:What people don’t talk about here is that kids at Einstein are likely just as smart as those in W schools but it doesn’t show. They are often moving more often, do not have resources other kids have and are not surrounded by peers who are “going places” and who could challenge and inspire them. It’s not to say some Einstein students aren’t succeeding but many students are not feeling a sense that there is a ton of hope.

Who your kid surrounds themselves with is very important. If they don’t see tons of kids going off to highly competitive colleges, they won’t have that expectation for themselves.

I’ve noticed even the smarter kids at Einstein go to no name colleges. It’s just a different environment.

What are you talking about? My kids are in the same exact sports, camps, summer programs and music programs as the W kids. Only difference is the size of the college fund. Many of us have equal or higher incomes than you but we choose this area as we don't want our kids surrounded by people like you.

My no name college spouse is doing far better than my ivy league sibling (for college and graduate school).

DP and also, if PP thinks that going to name brand colleges is largely about being smart, I’ve got a bridge to sell them. If
who your kids surround themselves with matters, it’s mostly because of connections, not because of intellect.

As for the DCC being a different environment than at W schools: yes, it is, and many of us here prefer it that way. I have zero interest in my children being surrounded by self-absorbed privilege and thinking that’s normal. I went to a W school myself and then learned better once I got out in the real world. So, yes, I want better for my kids, and I won’t find it at Whitman.

+1 same

Don't fool yourself into thinking Whitman is a private-like experience. It's a public school for rich kids.

For rich families or over extended families to cheap to pay for private. They want bragging rights to think Whitman is that special. Many of the kids I knew who went there were no happier there than any other school.

Colleges will only take so many kids from each high school. So, with wealthier parents, they get tutors are are generally "smarter" so your child may have a better chance at colleges at a school like Einstein over Whitman. (and a better college fund)

Whitman parents for the most part aren’t worried about their kids getting into colleges, they just don’t want their kids going to school with the kids that go to Einstein. End of conversation.

Einstein parents are worried about their kids getting into college and rationalizing it that way because 1) it helps them feel better about their ability to provide while only making it so high up the ladder (it’s what’s best for my kids anyway right??) & 2)they know how precarious it is for the mediocre middle and if they don’t make a decent college, they will qualify for the same outcome as the “other” half of Einstein’s kids get which isn’t very good. Say what you want but almost no one who doesn’t have a melt down post Whitman ends up like most of Einstein does on an avg day. Maybe it isn’t the school but the economic safety net those kids enjoy but who wants to go swimming with a bunch of kids who don’t know how to swim? Well maybe Einstein parents, oh wait they don’t, they just make their kids.

This is so poorly written.

It's also crazy nonsense.

You’re right upper middle class are dying to send their kids to Einstein and live among the baristas and maids of the world, they just can’t afford it. It’s also a shame most W kids don’t make it into college since they don’t have the benefit of competing against the lesser students the PPP was hypothesizing makes it easier for Einstein kids to get into college. But sure that post was the crazy nonsense one

Or the W’s pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to millions to avoid the DCC kids especially the Einstein and Kennedys out there. And most Whitman kids get into great colleges along with all of their friends. That isn’t the case at Einstein, spin away or tell me the not poor kids do ok or what ever helps you feel at peace consuming the metro areas hand-me-downs

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Anonymous wrote:You will find the small contingent of middle class families that go there are passionately booster-rific but they aren’t the defining character of the school. They will mention coded TOP classes and what not which is there way of saying avoid the general pop at all cost. As one of the first poster said there is a reason houses zoned for Einstein are amount the cheapest in the DCC. It isn’t because the parents are frugal, it is because most parents don’t want them.

100% 300k difference in similar houses between Einstein Kensington and WJ Kensington. I saw a ring alert about gunshots last night near Einstein. It’s still transitioning. If you’re okay with that, go for it.

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Anonymous wrote:What people don’t talk about here is that kids at Einstein are likely just as smart as those in W schools but it doesn’t show. They are often moving more often, do not have resources other kids have and are not surrounded by peers who are “going places” and who could challenge and inspire them. It’s not to say some Einstein students aren’t succeeding but many students are not feeling a sense that there is a ton of hope.

Who your kid surrounds themselves with is very important. If they don’t see tons of kids going off to highly competitive colleges, they won’t have that expectation for themselves.

I’ve noticed even the smarter kids at Einstein go to no name colleges. It’s just a different environment.

What are you talking about? My kids are in the same exact sports, camps, summer programs and music programs as the W kids. Only difference is the size of the college fund. Many of us have equal or higher incomes than you but we choose this area as we don't want our kids surrounded by people like you.

My no name college spouse is doing far better than my ivy league sibling (for college and graduate school).

DP and also, if PP thinks that going to name brand colleges is largely about being smart, I’ve got a bridge to sell them. If
who your kids surround themselves with matters, it’s mostly because of connections, not because of intellect.

As for the DCC being a different environment than at W schools: yes, it is, and many of us here prefer it that way. I have zero interest in my children being surrounded by self-absorbed privilege and thinking that’s normal. I went to a W school myself and then learned better once I got out in the real world. So, yes, I want better for my kids, and I won’t find it at Whitman.

+1 same

Don't fool yourself into thinking Whitman is a private-like experience. It's a public school for rich kids.

For rich families or over extended families to cheap to pay for private. They want bragging rights to think Whitman is that special. Many of the kids I knew who went there were no happier there than any other school.

Colleges will only take so many kids from each high school. So, with wealthier parents, they get tutors are are generally "smarter" so your child may have a better chance at colleges at a school like Einstein over Whitman. (and a better college fund)

Whitman parents for the most part aren’t worried about their kids getting into colleges, they just don’t want their kids going to school with the kids that go to Einstein. End of conversation.

Einstein parents are worried about their kids getting into college and rationalizing it that way because 1) it helps them feel better about their ability to provide while only making it so high up the ladder (it’s what’s best for my kids anyway right??) & 2)they know how precarious it is for the mediocre middle and if they don’t make a decent college, they will qualify for the same outcome as the “other” half of Einstein’s kids get which isn’t very good. Say what you want but almost no one who doesn’t have a melt down post Whitman ends up like most of Einstein does on an avg day. Maybe it isn’t the school but the economic safety net those kids enjoy but who wants to go swimming with a bunch of kids who don’t know how to swim? Well maybe Einstein parents, oh wait they don’t, they just make their kids.

This is so poorly written.

It's also crazy nonsense.

You’re right upper middle class are dying to send their kids to Einstein and live among the baristas and maids of the world, they just can’t afford it. It’s also a shame most W kids don’t make it into college since they don’t have the benefit of competing against the lesser students the PPP was hypothesizing makes it easier for Einstein kids to get into college. But sure that post was the crazy nonsense one

Or the W’s pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to millions to avoid the DCC kids especially the Einstein and Kennedys out there. And most Whitman kids get into great colleges along with all of their friends. That isn’t the case at Einstein, spin away or tell me the not poor kids do ok or what ever helps you feel at peace consuming the metro areas hand-me-downs

You sound unhinged.

Anonymous wrote:You’re right upper middle class are dying to send their kids to Einstein and live among the baristas and maids of the world, they just can’t afford it. It’s also a shame most W kids don’t make it into college since they don’t have the benefit of competing against the lesser students the PPP was hypothesizing makes it easier for Einstein kids to get into college. But sure that post was the crazy nonsense one

Or the W’s pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to millions to avoid the DCC kids especially the Einstein and Kennedys out there. And most Whitman kids get into great colleges along with all of their friends. That isn’t the case at Einstein, spin away or tell me the not poor kids do ok or what ever helps you feel at peace consuming the metro areas hand-me-downs

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Anonymous wrote:What people don’t talk about here is that kids at Einstein are likely just as smart as those in W schools but it doesn’t show. They are often moving more often, do not have resources other kids have and are not surrounded by peers who are “going places” and who could challenge and inspire them. It’s not to say some Einstein students aren’t succeeding but many students are not feeling a sense that there is a ton of hope.

Who your kid surrounds themselves with is very important. If they don’t see tons of kids going off to highly competitive colleges, they won’t have that expectation for themselves.

I’ve noticed even the smarter kids at Einstein go to no name colleges. It’s just a different environment.

What are you talking about? My kids are in the same exact sports, camps, summer programs and music programs as the W kids. Only difference is the size of the college fund. Many of us have equal or higher incomes than you but we choose this area as we don't want our kids surrounded by people like you.

My no name college spouse is doing far better than my ivy league sibling (for college and graduate school).

DP and also, if PP thinks that going to name brand colleges is largely about being smart, I’ve got a bridge to sell them. If
who your kids surround themselves with matters, it’s mostly because of connections, not because of intellect.

As for the DCC being a different environment than at W schools: yes, it is, and many of us here prefer it that way. I have zero interest in my children being surrounded by self-absorbed privilege and thinking that’s normal. I went to a W school myself and then learned better once I got out in the real world. So, yes, I want better for my kids, and I won’t find it at Whitman.

+1 same

Don't fool yourself into thinking Whitman is a private-like experience. It's a public school for rich kids.

For rich families or over extended families to cheap to pay for private. They want bragging rights to think Whitman is that special. Many of the kids I knew who went there were no happier there than any other school.

Colleges will only take so many kids from each high school. So, with wealthier parents, they get tutors are are generally "smarter" so your child may have a better chance at colleges at a school like Einstein over Whitman. (and a better college fund)

Whitman parents for the most part aren’t worried about their kids getting into colleges, they just don’t want their kids going to school with the kids that go to Einstein. End of conversation.

Einstein parents are worried about their kids getting into college and rationalizing it that way because 1) it helps them feel better about their ability to provide while only making it so high up the ladder (it’s what’s best for my kids anyway right??) & 2)they know how precarious it is for the mediocre middle and if they don’t make a decent college, they will qualify for the same outcome as the “other” half of Einstein’s kids get which isn’t very good. Say what you want but almost no one who doesn’t have a melt down post Whitman ends up like most of Einstein does on an avg day. Maybe it isn’t the school but the economic safety net those kids enjoy but who wants to go swimming with a bunch of kids who don’t know how to swim? Well maybe Einstein parents, oh wait they don’t, they just make their kids.

This is so poorly written.

It's also crazy nonsense.

You’re right upper middle class are dying to send their kids to Einstein and live among the baristas and maids of the world, they just can’t afford it. It’s also a shame most W kids don’t make it into college since they don’t have the benefit of competing against the lesser students the PPP was hypothesizing makes it easier for Einstein kids to get into college. But sure that post was the crazy nonsense one

Or the W’s pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to millions to avoid the DCC kids especially the Einstein and Kennedys out there. And most Whitman kids get into great colleges along with all of their friends. That isn’t the case at Einstein, spin away or tell me the not poor kids do ok or what ever helps you feel at peace consuming the metro areas hand-me-downs

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Anonymous wrote:What people don’t talk about here is that kids at Einstein are likely just as smart as those in W schools but it doesn’t show. They are often moving more often, do not have resources other kids have and are not surrounded by peers who are “going places” and who could challenge and inspire them. It’s not to say some Einstein students aren’t succeeding but many students are not feeling a sense that there is a ton of hope.

Who your kid surrounds themselves with is very important. If they don’t see tons of kids going off to highly competitive colleges, they won’t have that expectation for themselves.

I’ve noticed even the smarter kids at Einstein go to no name colleges. It’s just a different environment.

What are you talking about? My kids are in the same exact sports, camps, summer programs and music programs as the W kids. Only difference is the size of the college fund. Many of us have equal or higher incomes than you but we choose this area as we don't want our kids surrounded by people like you.

My no name college spouse is doing far better than my ivy league sibling (for college and graduate school).

DP and also, if PP thinks that going to name brand colleges is largely about being smart, I’ve got a bridge to sell them. If
who your kids surround themselves with matters, it’s mostly because of connections, not because of intellect.

As for the DCC being a different environment than at W schools: yes, it is, and many of us here prefer it that way. I have zero interest in my children being surrounded by self-absorbed privilege and thinking that’s normal. I went to a W school myself and then learned better once I got out in the real world. So, yes, I want better for my kids, and I won’t find it at Whitman.

+1 same

Don't fool yourself into thinking Whitman is a private-like experience. It's a public school for rich kids.

For rich families or over extended families to cheap to pay for private. They want bragging rights to think Whitman is that special. Many of the kids I knew who went there were no happier there than any other school.

Colleges will only take so many kids from each high school. So, with wealthier parents, they get tutors are are generally "smarter" so your child may have a better chance at colleges at a school like Einstein over Whitman. (and a better college fund)

Whitman parents for the most part aren’t worried about their kids getting into colleges, they just don’t want their kids going to school with the kids that go to Einstein. End of conversation.

Einstein parents are worried about their kids getting into college and rationalizing it that way because 1) it helps them feel better about their ability to provide while only making it so high up the ladder (it’s what’s best for my kids anyway right??) & 2)they know how precarious it is for the mediocre middle and if they don’t make a decent college, they will qualify for the same outcome as the “other” half of Einstein’s kids get which isn’t very good. Say what you want but almost no one who doesn’t have a melt down post Whitman ends up like most of Einstein does on an avg day. Maybe it isn’t the school but the economic safety net those kids enjoy but who wants to go swimming with a bunch of kids who don’t know how to swim? Well maybe Einstein parents, oh wait they don’t, they just make their kids.

This is so poorly written.

It's also crazy nonsense.

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Anonymous wrote:W aren’t better schools, they are better peer groups that enjoy better resources while consistently producing better outcomes

I teach at a W and firmly believe this is NOT a peer group I want for my children.

Being a teacher you know about the concept of sour grapes and your ability to actually afford living in a W zone without the help of a man or family.