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Anonymous wrote:Hard work and determination made slaves successful? Allowed Black people to thrive under American apartheid (Jim Crow laws)? Allowed Black people to build wealth under systems of red-lining?

I think you need to hop off your silver spoon.

And you need to hop over to 2020, none of these things are stopping anyone from being successful today. The biggest barrier to success are terrible parents telling their children that someone or something is stopping them from being somebody.

Is it that you don't think it matters that the average white family has 10 times more wealth than the average Black family (just one of many examples of the way historical racism continues to play out), or that you think that doesn't have anything to do with our history of centuries of racism and racial injustice?

Legal segregation and other forms of explicit and major structural racism have been over for less than 60 years. Little Ruby Bridges who integrated her school under brutally racist circumstances is only 66 years old today. How quickly do you think all the effects of this stuff disappear?

It's like you beat a person bloody and then start yelling at them as they lie battered on the floor "Why aren't you getting up? I'm not hitting you anymore! You must just be lazy and weak..."

What are you blathering about? What exactly is stopping a high schooler of any color from becoming successful? What law is prohibiting them from becoming as powerful and educated as they want? I’m truly wondering what you are talking about, how will you face a 17 year old and tell them “you can’t do this because of your race” in 2020? And my children aren’t white by the way.

NP. I agree with this wholeheartedly. Do I think racism exists? Yes, it does and we need to work on it as a country. But do I think that here in 2020, that there is something prohibiting black and brown kids from being successful in school? Absolutely NOT despite what liberals want you to believe.

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Anonymous wrote:Hard work and determination made slaves successful? Allowed Black people to thrive under American apartheid (Jim Crow laws)? Allowed Black people to build wealth under systems of red-lining?

I think you need to hop off your silver spoon.

And you need to hop over to 2020, none of these things are stopping anyone from being successful today. The biggest barrier to success are terrible parents telling their children that someone or something is stopping them from being somebody.

Is it that you don't think it matters that the average white family has 10 times more wealth than the average Black family (just one of many examples of the way historical racism continues to play out), or that you think that doesn't have anything to do with our history of centuries of racism and racial injustice?

Legal segregation and other forms of explicit and major structural racism have been over for less than 60 years. Little Ruby Bridges who integrated her school under brutally racist circumstances is only 66 years old today. How quickly do you think all the effects of this stuff disappear?

It's like you beat a person bloody and then start yelling at them as they lie battered on the floor "Why aren't you getting up? I'm not hitting you anymore! You must just be lazy and weak..."

What are you blathering about? What exactly is stopping a high schooler of any color from becoming successful? What law is prohibiting them from becoming as powerful and educated as they want? I’m truly wondering what you are talking about, how will you face a 17 year old and tell them “you can’t do this because of your race” in 2020? And my children aren’t white by the way.

Same thing happened to us in Arlington except it was elementary school. We opted for private. No regrets. Call me racist or whatever but I swear the woke liberalism is going to turn this life long Democrat into a Republican. And I am not alone. Am I happy about it, no but my obligation is to provide the best opportunity and education to my children and to honor the sacrifices that our parents made as immigrants to give us opportunities.

Anonymous wrote:My kids were in a school district that's 75% POC and largely poor. We were zoned to one of the best elementary schools in the district, which happened to be nearly 80% white and very wealthy thanks to all the woke folks who gentrified the area. Attendance at this elementary school is down significantly, class size is currently 12 kids to 1 teacher, which is better than some of the private schools. We left for private and I have zero guilt about it, just wish we didn't spend so much money on a house and had moved to the suburbs instead. I consider myself a moderate that leans liberal. I'm also a first generation American. I don't owe POC anything. I do owe my children the very best education that I can give them. That's why my family came to this country, for the opportunities. I went to a specialized school in NYC and my class was majority Asian. Those parents played every trick in the book to give their children a quality education and I think that folks need to remember their first priority should be their own children. Always. Treat everyone decently, but don't feel obligated to even the playing field, focus on your own family. Stop treating other people as inferior beings in need of being saved.

This. Immigrant here who moved to the US as a kid. My parents worked their asses off to give us a good life, pay for college, and all of that. I'm doing the same exact thing for my kids. We just got reassigned to one of the crappiest middle schools in our county and we fought hard against it and the liberal woke people who would do the same thing if it happened to them called us racists, elitists, blah blah blah. We were told that our presence there would make a big difference in the school to reduce the achievement gap. Now that we're there and doing what we can to help- joining the PTA, volunteering because no one else would, etc., we're being told by the same liberal woke people not to act like saviors. The hypocrisy is a joke. You can't win. At the end of the day, only one thing matters- my first responsibility is to my children and I will continue to provide them with every resource that I can so that they can do well in school and I won't feel guilty one bit about it. While DL has been fine, once it's over we will reassess once my kid has to physically be in the school and depending on that, it may lead to us pulling her out of there.

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Anonymous wrote:Hard work and determination made slaves successful? Allowed Black people to thrive under American apartheid (Jim Crow laws)? Allowed Black people to build wealth under systems of red-lining?

I think you need to hop off your silver spoon.

And you need to hop over to 2020, none of these things are stopping anyone from being successful today. The biggest barrier to success are terrible parents telling their children that someone or something is stopping them from being somebody.

Is it that you don't think it matters that the average white family has 10 times more wealth than the average Black family (just one of many examples of the way historical racism continues to play out), or that you think that doesn't have anything to do with our history of centuries of racism and racial injustice?

Legal segregation and other forms of explicit and major structural racism have been over for less than 60 years. Little Ruby Bridges who integrated her school under brutally racist circumstances is only 66 years old today. How quickly do you think all the effects of this stuff disappear?

It's like you beat a person bloody and then start yelling at them as they lie battered on the floor "Why aren't you getting up? I'm not hitting you anymore! You must just be lazy and weak..."

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hard work and determination made slaves successful? Allowed Black people to thrive under American apartheid (Jim Crow laws)? Allowed Black people to build wealth under systems of red-lining?

I think you need to hop off your silver spoon.

And you need to hop over to 2020, none of these things are stopping anyone from being successful today. The biggest barrier to success are terrible parents telling their children that someone or something is stopping them from being somebody.

Is it that you don't think it matters that the average white family has 10 times more wealth than the average Black family (just one of , or that you think that doesn't have anything to do with our history of centuries of racism and racial injustice?

Legal, explicit segregation and other forms of explicit and major structural racism have been over for less than 60 years. Little Ruby Bridges who integrated her school under brutally racist circumstances is only 66 years old today. How quickly do you think all the effects of this stuff disappear?

It's like you beat a person bloody and then start yelling at them as they lie battered on the floor "Why aren't you getting up? I'm not hitting you anymore! You must just be lazy and weak..."

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Anonymous wrote:This podcast just confirmed for me that most people who have spent their lives living in NYC are naval gazing and narcissistic.
This system of submitting applications to public middle schools based on elementary school performance and the overall competitiveness is by no means universal. I really like the reporter on This American Life, but the fact that she feels that her experience here is somehow generalizable to the entire US public school system is ridiculous.

The NYC system is wonderful. It weeds out all the lazy kids who don't want to do anything. I grew up in a poor immigrant family in NYC (my family actually lived in immigration limbo for 10 years before we obtained green cards and my parents couldn't even get a chance to have normal jobs until after getting green cards) and was given the chance to have an amazing public school education thanks to studying and applying myself. I went to an excellent college and now I'm firmly in the upper middle class. All public school systems should be separated by ability. At some point folks have to take responsibility for themselves.

Lol...you aren’t narcissistic and navel gazing at all, are you? Can you give me an example of another school system in the US outside of NYC where you think they did some things right and some wrong?
I hate to stereotype millions of people, but New Yorkers just keep proving it true over and over again.

There are plenty of other districts around the US where kids can test into specialized public schools. They need to encourage more of that. Do your work, study, and get rewarded. The kids who want to do well, even if their parents can't afford private school, should be able to do so. Just because the area you're from didn't offer these options, doesn't mean it's not a good idea. I have friends who have horror stories about classrooms where you have a handful of kids that are trying their best and the rest of the class is disrupting everything. Simple solution is to weed out the kids who are doing well and let the idiots continue being idiots in schools set up just for them.

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Anonymous wrote:This podcast just confirmed for me that most people who have spent their lives living in NYC are naval gazing and narcissistic.
This system of submitting applications to public middle schools based on elementary school performance and the overall competitiveness is by no means universal. I really like the reporter on This American Life, but the fact that she feels that her experience here is somehow generalizable to the entire US public school system is ridiculous.

The NYC system is wonderful. It weeds out all the lazy kids who don't want to do anything. I grew up in a poor immigrant family in NYC (my family actually lived in immigration limbo for 10 years before we obtained green cards and my parents couldn't even get a chance to have normal jobs until after getting green cards) and was given the chance to have an amazing public school education thanks to studying and applying myself. I went to an excellent college and now I'm firmly in the upper middle class. All public school systems should be separated by ability. At some point folks have to take responsibility for themselves.

Lol...you aren’t narcissistic and navel gazing at all, are you? Can you give me an example of another school system in the US outside of NYC where you think they did some things right and some wrong?
I hate to stereotype millions of people, but New Yorkers just keep proving it true over and over again.

Anonymous wrote:This podcast just confirmed for me that most people who have spent their lives living in NYC are naval gazing and narcissistic.
This system of submitting applications to public middle schools based on elementary school performance and the overall competitiveness is by no means universal. I really like the reporter on This American Life, but the fact that she feels that her experience here is somehow generalizable to the entire US public school system is ridiculous.

The NYC system is wonderful. It weeds out all the lazy kids who don't want to do anything. I grew up in a poor immigrant family in NYC (my family actually lived in immigration limbo for 10 years before we obtained green cards and my parents couldn't even get a chance to have normal jobs until after getting green cards) and was given the chance to have an amazing public school education thanks to studying and applying myself. I went to an excellent college and now I'm firmly in the upper middle class. All public school systems should be separated by ability. At some point folks have to take responsibility for themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel bad for white people who are being held accountable today for the actions of their ancestors. I can see why there is a lot of pushback.

A huge number of us are immigrants too. My parents fled communism. They were poor, there and here. It's weird getting blamed for some random crap someone else's ancestors did halfway across the world because you have similar skin tones.

+1 And I dare say it is why many people are beginning to ignore the push for "accountability" and "reparation." It seems like no one has learned the lesson that it doesn't benefit anyone when you paint everyone with the same brush.

This podcast just confirmed for me that most people who have spent their lives living in NYC are naval gazing and narcissistic.
This system of submitting applications to public middle schools based on elementary school performance and the overall competitiveness is by no means universal. I really like the reporter on This American Life, but the fact that she feels that her experience here is somehow generalizable to the entire US public school system is ridiculous.

Anonymous wrote:I feel bad for white people who are being held accountable today for the actions of their ancestors. I can see why there is a lot of pushback.

A huge number of us are immigrants too. My parents fled communism. They were poor, there and here. It's weird getting blamed for some random crap someone else's ancestors did halfway across the world because you have similar skin tones.

My kids were in a school district that's 75% POC and largely poor. We were zoned to one of the best elementary schools in the district, which happened to be nearly 80% white and very wealthy thanks to all the woke folks who gentrified the area. Attendance at this elementary school is down significantly, class size is currently 12 kids to 1 teacher, which is better than some of the private schools. We left for private and I have zero guilt about it, just wish we didn't spend so much money on a house and had moved to the suburbs instead. I consider myself a moderate that leans liberal. I'm also a first generation American. I don't owe POC anything. I do owe my children the very best education that I can give them. That's why my family came to this country, for the opportunities. I went to a specialized school in NYC and my class was majority Asian. Those parents played every trick in the book to give their children a quality education and I think that folks need to remember their first priority should be their own children. Always. Treat everyone decently, but don't feel obligated to even the playing field, focus on your own family. Stop treating other people as inferior beings in need of being saved.

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone written Nice Asian Parents yet? Or Competitive Indian Parents? Or Demanding Russian Parents? Or are they exempt from the consequences of their parenting, which is exactly the same as UMC white people?

The difference is that they’re faaaaar less hypocritical about it. They don’t go on and on about how black lives matter or post those “no matter where you’re from you’re welcome here” signs in front of their house or make their “liberal” political views a personality trait only to turn around and shelter their kids from poor minorities like white people in say, Bethesda or N Arlington do.

This +100. I am from one of the immigrant groups you mentioned above. My husband is not and he is a die hard liberal. This is exactly what I tell him. I am right leaving and have a lot of unpopular opinions in our house and in my extended family on my husband’s side. But at least I am honest about it. I have worked my butt off to get to where I am now and I work my butt off so my kids can have the best education and I am doing my best to lay the groundwork for a successful future/ That’s my JOB as a parent and that’s what my immigrant parents did for me. If you don’t think your job as a parent is to set high standards and prioritize development and education - fine. But then don’t bring down the rest of us with you. Fewer kids and an education is a way out of poverty (and yes, vocational education counts.)

This! Throughout our history, THIS is the type of immigration that has made our country the envy of the world. The "open boarder" BS the idiot Democrats are pushing does nothing but weaken a nation-any nation. I am a second generation American. My parents and grandparents saw the value of working hard and building up their community, not looting it and burning it down.

Who is looting and burning down their community? And what does that have to do with school integration?

NP and also an immigrant (Indian). My takeaway from these posts is that integration might help these folk recognize they're not the only ones working hard. Speaking for myself, I've definitely benefited from my parents being well educated. Pew data suggests most immigrant kids with similar heritage share that advantage too. The narrative of the immigrant coming from nothing (no money or education) and succeeding in the US is no longer representative, so can we please retire it, and toss out the racist narratives about looting/burning too while you're at it. Working hard is necessary, but nowhere close to sufficient in the US.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/09/14/education-levels-of-u-s-immigrants-are-on-the-rise/

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone written Nice Asian Parents yet? Or Competitive Indian Parents? Or Demanding Russian Parents? Or are they exempt from the consequences of their parenting, which is exactly the same as UMC white people?

The difference is that they’re faaaaar less hypocritical about it. They don’t go on and on about how black lives matter or post those “no matter where you’re from you’re welcome here” signs in front of their house or make their “liberal” political views a personality trait only to turn around and shelter their kids from poor minorities like white people in say, Bethesda or N Arlington do.

This +100. I am from one of the immigrant groups you mentioned above. My husband is not and he is a die hard liberal. This is exactly what I tell him. I am right leaving and have a lot of unpopular opinions in our house and in my extended family on my husband’s side. But at least I am honest about it. I have worked my butt off to get to where I am now and I work my butt off so my kids can have the best education and I am doing my best to lay the groundwork for a successful future/ That’s my JOB as a parent and that’s what my immigrant parents did for me. If you don’t think your job as a parent is to set high standards and prioritize development and education - fine. But then don’t bring down the rest of us with you. Fewer kids and an education is a way out of poverty (and yes, vocational education counts.)

This! Throughout our history, THIS is the type of immigration that has made our country the envy of the world. The "open boarder" BS the idiot Democrats are pushing does nothing but weaken a nation-any nation. I am a second generation American. My parents and grandparents saw the value of working hard and building up their community, not looting it and burning it down.

Who is looting and burning down their community? And what does that have to do with school integration?