Anonymous
04/03/2021 15:44
Subject: Harvard or Columbia - Where would you go?
Still very unfair to reject excellent students in favor of an athlete, or someone else with much lower grades, etc.
Not fair clubs at all....
Not fair clubs at all....
Anonymous
04/03/2021 15:12
Subject: Harvard or Columbia - Where would you go?
Anonymous wrote:The athletes' issue is a colossal scam. No business being at a place like Harvard when they are nowhere near the academic credentials from high schools that others admitted have who go there. A real joke. The athletic conference traps the admissions into accepting many athletes to fill the many sports teams each of the colleges must field.
No one says that athletes don't work hard once there. But they just do not have the stellar grades, scores that most of the other students have. It is quite insulting to perpetuate this scam and pretend to be the best with such double standards. No way !
Their business at Harvard is that Harvard wants them. Harvard is a private club. Harvard can have athletes if they want.
That’s how it works.
- person who is indifferent to athletes though happy to have my kids on team sports , if they want, for health or camaraderie.
Same for Amherst and Williams. They have super students and they pile up on athletes. Not everyone is brilliant. No one pretends they are. The school chooses. They own the deck and deal you in if they want to.
Anonymous
04/03/2021 13:48
Subject: Re:Harvard or Columbia - Where would you go?
Anonymous wrote:So 'Veritas' and the alleged search for truth and for sharing these discoveries with others as some form of social duty to enlighten really is 'Vanitas' and non-communication ?
That is not nice at all. Something is wrong there.
if you want to equate some fellow intern badgering you incessantly about what your "educational program was like with their general education requirements" with 'the search for truth', go ahead and be offended.
Anonymous
04/03/2021 13:36
Subject: Harvard or Columbia - Where would you go?
Both colleges are great with famous alumni.
NYC is really hot as a city to study in and Columbia has that sewn up well.
Still, Harvard is Harvard.
Lucky indeed for anyone to have this choice.
I read that Columbia College and SEAS received over 60,000 applications this year for the class of 2025. That is probably the most applications of any of the Ivy League colleges.
https://www.columbiaspectator.com/news/2021/03/12/over-60000-students-applied-to...
NYC is really hot as a city to study in and Columbia has that sewn up well.
Still, Harvard is Harvard.
Lucky indeed for anyone to have this choice.
I read that Columbia College and SEAS received over 60,000 applications this year for the class of 2025. That is probably the most applications of any of the Ivy League colleges.
https://www.columbiaspectator.com/news/2021/03/12/over-60000-students-applied-to...
Anonymous
04/03/2021 12:13
Subject: Re:Harvard or Columbia - Where would you go?
So 'Veritas' and the alleged search for truth and for sharing these discoveries with others as some form of social duty to enlighten really is 'Vanitas' and non-communication ?
That is not nice at all. Something is wrong there.
That is not nice at all. Something is wrong there.
Anonymous
04/03/2021 12:10
Subject: Harvard or Columbia - Where would you go?
Anonymous wrote:Doesn't Harvard expect its students to share the benefits of their education with others - a public benefit or duty from receiving the education? That is what the brochures and web pages say, and wrap this self-proclaimed value in the idea of passion.
That is a big part of what 'Veritas' is supposed to mean.
So, what gives ?
Some 43% of H white students are legacies. And 70% of those would have been rejected but for their legacy status.
Anonymous
04/03/2021 11:53
Subject: Harvard or Columbia - Where would you go?
Doesn't Harvard expect its students to share the benefits of their education with others - a public benefit or duty from receiving the education? That is what the brochures and web pages say, and wrap this self-proclaimed value in the idea of passion.
That is a big part of what 'Veritas' is supposed to mean.
So, what gives ?
That is a big part of what 'Veritas' is supposed to mean.
So, what gives ?
Anonymous
04/03/2021 11:43
Subject: Harvard or Columbia - Where would you go?
Wrong. Not at all. We talked about all sorts of other things, such as the Boston Red Sox, Massachusetts beaches, great ice cream shops.
I was never trying to show off on anything and just wanted to understand what their educational program was like with their general education requirements.
Come on. I am sure you can do better than make a rude remark like that.
I was never trying to show off on anything and just wanted to understand what their educational program was like with their general education requirements.
Come on. I am sure you can do better than make a rude remark like that.
Anonymous
04/03/2021 11:23
Subject: Harvard or Columbia - Where would you go?
Anonymous wrote:I am from Boston, too. A great city.
I went to Columbia, studied History and found it to be a super intellectual place: critical reading, critical thinking and critical writing all the time. There was a constant questioning of any idea or premise , and one needed to peel away layer after layer until one reached a core of an idea with its origins and basic components. Then, be had to rebuild the layers which were peeled away to appreciate how the different layers or parts functioned together and impacted each other.
During my summers I would return to Boston and my internships had students from Harvard. Despite the so-called general education requirements for the BA, after many conversations and attempted conversations with them about their studied and experience, I did not feel that there was the intense focus on tracing back the origins of an idea or of related ideas , of disassembling and re-assembling concepts and developing critical writing on this process and on these findings. Also, they told me thattheir classes in thehumaities were large, often lecture classes with a TA - not small classes.
I felt quite lucky. Most of my classes were small at Columbia, about 20-22 maximum in my humanities classes, and often even smaller than this number.
Their descriptions and lack of conversation on their studies left me feeling a bit empty as if I had eaten a hot dog instead of a real meal.
Maybe they just found you boring and didn’t want to talk to you because you insisted on trying to show how smart you were all the time.
Anonymous
04/03/2021 11:13
Subject: Harvard or Columbia - Where would you go?
Anonymous wrote:I am from Boston, and once I worked at an old establishment library.
One recent student had graduated from Harvard and seemed very good and charismatic. The other person who was at the time an undergraduate seemed liked a connected social butterfly, and I never heard her make an intellectual statement of any kind, and wondered how she could study there yet show no intellectual curiosity. Strange. I think the social connections, wherever they were, enabled her admission. NOt impressed at what I saw.
Not unusual for people to get into Harvard, but rejected from every other Ivy. Not a huge number, but enough to see the pattern. If the process were fair or close to fair, getting into Harvard should usually mean getting into other places. But it's not.
Anonymous
04/03/2021 10:54
Subject: Harvard or Columbia - Where would you go?
I am from Boston, too. A great city.
I went to Columbia, studied History and found it to be a super intellectual place: critical reading, critical thinking and critical writing all the time. There was a constant questioning of any idea or premise , and one needed to peel away layer after layer until one reached a core of an idea with its origins and basic components. Then, be had to rebuild the layers which were peeled away to appreciate how the different layers or parts functioned together and impacted each other.
During my summers I would return to Boston and my internships had students from Harvard. Despite the so-called general education requirements for the BA, after many conversations and attempted conversations with them about their studied and experience, I did not feel that there was the intense focus on tracing back the origins of an idea or of related ideas , of disassembling and re-assembling concepts and developing critical writing on this process and on these findings. Also, they told me thattheir classes in thehumaities were large, often lecture classes with a TA - not small classes.
I felt quite lucky. Most of my classes were small at Columbia, about 20-22 maximum in my humanities classes, and often even smaller than this number.
Their descriptions and lack of conversation on their studies left me feeling a bit empty as if I had eaten a hot dog instead of a real meal.
I went to Columbia, studied History and found it to be a super intellectual place: critical reading, critical thinking and critical writing all the time. There was a constant questioning of any idea or premise , and one needed to peel away layer after layer until one reached a core of an idea with its origins and basic components. Then, be had to rebuild the layers which were peeled away to appreciate how the different layers or parts functioned together and impacted each other.
During my summers I would return to Boston and my internships had students from Harvard. Despite the so-called general education requirements for the BA, after many conversations and attempted conversations with them about their studied and experience, I did not feel that there was the intense focus on tracing back the origins of an idea or of related ideas , of disassembling and re-assembling concepts and developing critical writing on this process and on these findings. Also, they told me thattheir classes in thehumaities were large, often lecture classes with a TA - not small classes.
I felt quite lucky. Most of my classes were small at Columbia, about 20-22 maximum in my humanities classes, and often even smaller than this number.
Their descriptions and lack of conversation on their studies left me feeling a bit empty as if I had eaten a hot dog instead of a real meal.
Anonymous
04/03/2021 10:39
Subject: Harvard or Columbia - Where would you go?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Harvard URMs need 1150. Stop glorifying ivies.
+1 - recruited athletes and legacies only need 900 SAT.
Stanford does the same w/football.
Anonymous
04/03/2021 10:39
Subject: Harvard or Columbia - Where would you go?
I saw close up what happens on a number of cases, and there are very very large differences in admissions standards. It was ridiculous.
There is such pressure within the conference for colleges to win, year after years that the net to recruit athletes is cast very wide. Being competitive as an athlete in high school does not equate to being competitive as a scholar in high school or in college. A real dishonest jke which the colleges and press like to cover up.
Why not simply give a separate degree each to the regular student and to the recruited athletes? Isn't this more honest ?
And, also to anyone else who is recruited with lower academic standards.
That would be the truth.
There is such pressure within the conference for colleges to win, year after years that the net to recruit athletes is cast very wide. Being competitive as an athlete in high school does not equate to being competitive as a scholar in high school or in college. A real dishonest jke which the colleges and press like to cover up.
Why not simply give a separate degree each to the regular student and to the recruited athletes? Isn't this more honest ?
And, also to anyone else who is recruited with lower academic standards.
That would be the truth.
Anonymous
04/03/2021 10:33
Subject: Harvard or Columbia - Where would you go?
The athletes' issue is a colossal scam. No business being at a place like Harvard when they are nowhere near the academic credentials from high schools that others admitted have who go there. A real joke. The athletic conference traps the admissions into accepting many athletes to fill the many sports teams each of the colleges must field.
No one says that athletes don't work hard once there. But they just do not have the stellar grades, scores that most of the other students have. It is quite insulting to perpetuate this scam and pretend to be the best with such double standards. No way !
No one says that athletes don't work hard once there. But they just do not have the stellar grades, scores that most of the other students have. It is quite insulting to perpetuate this scam and pretend to be the best with such double standards. No way !
Anonymous
04/03/2021 10:27
Subject: Harvard or Columbia - Where would you go?
I am from Boston, and once I worked at an old establishment library.
One recent student had graduated from Harvard and seemed very good and charismatic. The other person who was at the time an undergraduate seemed liked a connected social butterfly, and I never heard her make an intellectual statement of any kind, and wondered how she could study there yet show no intellectual curiosity. Strange. I think the social connections, wherever they were, enabled her admission. NOt impressed at what I saw.
One recent student had graduated from Harvard and seemed very good and charismatic. The other person who was at the time an undergraduate seemed liked a connected social butterfly, and I never heard her make an intellectual statement of any kind, and wondered how she could study there yet show no intellectual curiosity. Strange. I think the social connections, wherever they were, enabled her admission. NOt impressed at what I saw.