Anonymous wrote:Take a look at the table at the bottom that compares Airline CEO compensation, particularly the multiples of average staff salaries.

Yes, I blame the airlines for squeezing us (quite literally) while CEOs are making 8-figure salaries.


https://skift.com/2019/05/29/united-wont-pay-munoz-a-full-bonus-airline-ceo-pay-2018/

Yah, and PP thinks the passengers are greedy. No one individual needs to make that much just because they lead a large company.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:and to add to what I said above maybe if they had a civil conversation they could have better understood one another's point. He was cramped back there/couldn't eat his food and that she maybe she had a legit reason to recline (back issue or whatever). Empathy can go a long way.

Which really brings it all back to: it’s the greedy airlines’ fault.

Actually it is not the “greedy airlines” fault. It’s the fault of passengers, collectively, who generally shop for airfares based solely on the lowest possible price, and have created a market where the only business model that works is cattle-car-in-the-sky. Airlines are a brutally low-margin and capital intensive business, and if people were actually willing to pay a bit more for comfort and quality, things might be different. But there aren’t. We have collectively chosen this and have gotten the airlines we deserve.

Not really. You’re blaming the victim. They are exploiting us because we take their crap. This article says it all:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherelliott/2018/10/07/this-is-the-real-reason-bad-airline-service-is-profitable/#245955425db2

Take a look at the table at the bottom that compares Airline CEO compensation, particularly the multiples of average staff salaries.

Yes, I blame the airlines for squeezing us (quite literally) while CEOs are making 8-figure salaries.


https://skift.com/2019/05/29/united-wont-pay-munoz-a-full-bonus-airline-ceo-pay-2018/

As much as liberals want the US to be a communist country, this is isn't a communist country. You get what you paid for, not what you need or what you demand. You don't get to demand how the seat in front of you is used (unless you pay for that seat too).

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Anonymous wrote:They are both *holes.

They were flying from New Orleans to Charlotte, it's a 2 hr flight. No reason they couldn't have behaved like adults for 2 hrs.

My guess is he asked her not to recline and while, yes, she has the right to do so, she could have respected his request and sucked it up for 2 hrs, but no, she decided to be a jerk and recline. Now maybe he wasn't polite in his request and she kept her seat reclined just to prove a point and be a jerk, who knows. He still should not have been hitting her seat. That is juvenile and shows a complete lack of self control.

This sums the whole thing up perfectly.

But here's the thing - it is well within that woman's right to say no. I can politely ask you to give me $100, but you're not being a jerk or immoral if you decide to say no.

Lots of people here are rationalizing theft or extortion - the woman is in the right. We are entitled to that which belongs to us or what we paid for. We are not entitled to things that do not belong to us.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are both *holes.

They were flying from New Orleans to Charlotte, it's a 2 hr flight. No reason they couldn't have behaved like adults for 2 hrs.

My guess is he asked her not to recline and while, yes, she has the right to do so, she could have respected his request and sucked it up for 2 hrs, but no, she decided to be a jerk and recline. Now maybe he wasn't polite in his request and she kept her seat reclined just to prove a point and be a jerk, who knows. He still should not have been hitting her seat. That is juvenile and shows a complete lack of self control.

This sums the whole thing up perfectly.

Almost. I think the guy actually WAS perfectly polite in his request, and then the woman decided to still be a jerk and recline. The guy was clearly squashed, he asked nicely, it was only a 2 hour flight, and she decided to just do it anyway. That's why even the flight attendant thought she was a jerk.

Yeah, but the guy loses sympathy with that non-stop tap, tap, tapping on her chair. He was severely annoyed, I get it, but he had already gotten that point across and the woman simply did not GAF. He wasn't going to win that. Of course, his face is the only face that actually got recorded so the only one recognizable is the man and, of course, the airline.

Anonymous wrote:OK, anti-recliners, do you understand that the majority of us are saying that you are exaggerating the effects of a reclined seat? I am tall and I can still use my laptop, can still get up to go to the bathroom, can still eat food, can still read a book, etc with the seat in front of me reclined. You do understand that these seats recline on a pivot, right? 3 inches less space at the top does not mean 3 inches less space at your knees.

You are being as ridiculous as the money-grabbing woman in the video. Oh woe is me, the horrors! My knees! My back! My baby! The dandruff! Lack of air! I can't breathe! Help!

Come on now, tone it down.

+1

The pivot angle is very, very small.

I am 6'2" tall and domestic flights, in regular economy sucks if the person in front of you reclines. I won't make a scene if the person in front of me reclines, but I will surely bump the seat more than a few times because I have no leg room. Since my legs have no room, I can't help bumping the seat, so Mr./Ms. Seat Recliner, please stop with the dirty looks. As for me, I don't recline. On the rare long-haul flight, like to Asia, I may recline. This is due to the fact that economy seats usually have more room- at least on Korean Air they do. To be sure, before I recline, i do a courtesy look to the person behind me and size them up. If they look any taller than 5'10" then I won't recline.

Anonymous wrote:6'3 and 6' poster, are you short-legged? Because I find it hard to believe it's so roomy for you.

Nope. My husband is regularly proportioned. I have slightly longer legs and a shorter torso. We are fine. Roomy it is not, but the recline feature does not impede our leg space. One note... I almost always put my carry-on items in the overhead bin. That makes a huge difference in terms of space.

Both of these people are why I only fly when I absolutely am required to now. It's just not worth it. I'd rather just be comfortable and drive somewhere relaxing for a vacation.

Both of these people are why I only fly when I absolutely am required to now. It's just not worth it. I'd rather just be comfortable and drive somewhere relaxing for a vacation.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are both *holes.

They were flying from New Orleans to Charlotte, it's a 2 hr flight. No reason they couldn't have behaved like adults for 2 hrs.

My guess is he asked her not to recline and while, yes, she has the right to do so, she could have respected his request and sucked it up for 2 hrs, but no, she decided to be a jerk and recline. Now maybe he wasn't polite in his request and she kept her seat reclined just to prove a point and be a jerk, who knows. He still should not have been hitting her seat. That is juvenile and shows a complete lack of self control.

This sums the whole thing up perfectly.

Almost. I think the guy actually WAS perfectly polite in his request, and then the woman decided to still be a jerk and recline. The guy was clearly squashed, he asked nicely, it was only a 2 hour flight, and she decided to just do it anyway. That's why even the flight attendant thought she was a jerk.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:and to add to what I said above maybe if they had a civil conversation they could have better understood one another's point. He was cramped back there/couldn't eat his food and that she maybe she had a legit reason to recline (back issue or whatever). Empathy can go a long way.

Which really brings it all back to: it’s the greedy airlines’ fault.

Actually it is not the “greedy airlines” fault. It’s the fault of passengers, collectively, who generally shop for airfares based solely on the lowest possible price, and have created a market where the only business model that works is cattle-car-in-the-sky. Airlines are a brutally low-margin and capital intensive business, and if people were actually willing to pay a bit more for comfort and quality, things might be different. But there aren’t. We have collectively chosen this and have gotten the airlines we deserve.

Southwest had $2.5B of net income in 2018. Not revenue. Net Income. And the have some of the best legroom, best fares, and lowest fees.

http://investors.southwest.com/news-and-events/news-releases/2019/01-24-2019-113106440

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:and to add to what I said above maybe if they had a civil conversation they could have better understood one another's point. He was cramped back there/couldn't eat his food and that she maybe she had a legit reason to recline (back issue or whatever). Empathy can go a long way.

Which really brings it all back to: it’s the greedy airlines’ fault.

Actually it is not the “greedy airlines” fault. It’s the fault of passengers, collectively, who generally shop for airfares based solely on the lowest possible price, and have created a market where the only business model that works is cattle-car-in-the-sky. Airlines are a brutally low-margin and capital intensive business, and if people were actually willing to pay a bit more for comfort and quality, things might be different. But there aren’t. We have collectively chosen this and have gotten the airlines we deserve.

It is the greedy airline's fault. Check out their profits for charging for bags alone. It used to be free to check a bag. You must be an airline employee to think it's ok to treat customers poorly. The US is worse than any other country but Canada when it comes to lousy airline service.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:and to add to what I said above maybe if they had a civil conversation they could have better understood one another's point. He was cramped back there/couldn't eat his food and that she maybe she had a legit reason to recline (back issue or whatever). Empathy can go a long way.

Which really brings it all back to: it’s the greedy airlines’ fault.

Actually it is not the “greedy airlines” fault. It’s the fault of passengers, collectively, who generally shop for airfares based solely on the lowest possible price, and have created a market where the only business model that works is cattle-car-in-the-sky. Airlines are a brutally low-margin and capital intensive business, and if people were actually willing to pay a bit more for comfort and quality, things might be different. But there aren’t. We have collectively chosen this and have gotten the airlines we deserve.