Anonymous wrote:Should you avoid sending your children to these schools?

"Profits from slavery and related industries helped fund some of the most prestigious schools in the Northeast, including Harvard, Columbia, Princeton and Yale. And in many southern states — including the University of Virginia — enslaved people built college campuses and served faculty and students."

https://www.apmreports.org/story/2017/09/04/shackled-legacy

I have absolutely no problem supporting or using institutions that may have slavery in their history. I have no problem going to a museum at a plantation or sending my children to a university that has slavery weaved into its history.

I have a problem inviting guests to a special event like a wedding at a site that would make them uncomfortable to attend. I would not have my wedding at a plantation if I had any potential guests that are black. I would not have my wedding at any of those colleges that have been flagged as having very disturbing pasts. I would choose a place that did not create such an uncomfortable atmosphere for any of my guests.

It is specious to conflate renting an event location for a special event that might be disturbing for your guests with sending your child to a school that has a disturbing past.

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Great, you won. Go have a cookie. You're more "rational" than every other person who has an emotional response to plantations, which remind many of us of death camps.

Universities do not remind people of death camps. The world isn't fair. Le fin.

More slave-apologist and white privilege drivel. BTW - if you can't use English words correctly, you should definitely stay away from foreign words. La fin.

What are you talking about? People are allowed to feel uncomfortable at plantation death camps.

Great, you won. Go have a cookie. You're more "rational" than every other person who has an emotional response to plantations, which remind many of us of death camps.

Universities do not remind people of death camps. The world isn't fair. Le fin.

More slave-apologist and white privilege drivel. BTW - if you can't use English words correctly, you should definitely stay away from foreign words. La fin.

Just clicked through Woodlawn wedding pics.
Such a beautiful venue!

http://www.woodlawnpopeleighey.org/aboutwoodlawn

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Anonymous wrote:The statements about universities is not only applicable to American universities, so you can stop congratulating yourself on your ability to see the big picture and start looking at the various forms white supremacy took.

And maybe move past Brown and past colleges and universities founded before 1865.

Where did anyone say these issues were only applicable to American universities? This is a discussion about American plantations, American universities and the American institution of slavery. Discussing universities that were founded during the time slavery was extant is appropriate and relevant - especially since so many of DCUMs aspire for their children to attend them. Feel free to start another thread about those established after abolition and how perceptions of enslaved African-American's fit into the philosophies of white supremacists.

What's your point in continuing this argument? A lot of people are uncomfortable partying at a plantation. You're not going to change anyone's emotional feelings on this matter.

So, please, just go away. We all think you're a weirdo for defending plantations.

Where am I defending plantations? I have no problem with people choosing not to attend to events at them. I do have a problem with the people who cite slavery as a reason for not going to plantations giving a pass to universities which were founded and expanded by slavery. If that makes me a 'weirdo', so be it. Better a weirdo than a virtue signaling, hypocritical slavery apologist who, despite what she says, doesn't speak for everyone.

Great, you won. Go have a cookie. You're more "rational" than every other person who has an emotional response to plantations, which remind many of us of death camps.

Universities do not remind people of death camps. The world isn't fair. Le fin.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The statements about universities is not only applicable to American universities, so you can stop congratulating yourself on your ability to see the big picture and start looking at the various forms white supremacy took.

And maybe move past Brown and past colleges and universities founded before 1865.

Where did anyone say these issues were only applicable to American universities? This is a discussion about American plantations, American universities and the American institution of slavery. Discussing universities that were founded during the time slavery was extant is appropriate and relevant - especially since so many of DCUMs aspire for their children to attend them. Feel free to start another thread about those established after abolition and how perceptions of enslaved African-American's fit into the philosophies of white supremacists.

What's your point in continuing this argument? A lot of people are uncomfortable partying at a plantation. You're not going to change anyone's emotional feelings on this matter.

So, please, just go away. We all think you're a weirdo for defending plantations.

Where am I defending plantations? I have no problem with people choosing not to attend to events at them. I do have a problem with the people who cite slavery as a reason for not going to plantations giving a pass to universities which were founded and expanded by slavery. If that makes me a 'weirdo', so be it. Better a weirdo than a virtue signaling, hypocritical slavery apologist who, despite what she says, doesn't speak for everyone.

The only way to avoid all this is to leave the US.

Move elsewhere, the world is big.

Have a nice day.

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Anonymous wrote:The statements about universities is not only applicable to American universities, so you can stop congratulating yourself on your ability to see the big picture and start looking at the various forms white supremacy took.

And maybe move past Brown and past colleges and universities founded before 1865.

Where did anyone say these issues were only applicable to American universities? This is a discussion about American plantations, American universities and the American institution of slavery. Discussing universities that were founded during the time slavery was extant is appropriate and relevant - especially since so many of DCUMs aspire for their children to attend them. Feel free to start another thread about those established after abolition and how perceptions of enslaved African-American's fit into the philosophies of white supremacists.

What's your point in continuing this argument? A lot of people are uncomfortable partying at a plantation. You're not going to change anyone's emotional feelings on this matter.

So, please, just go away. We all think you're a weirdo for defending plantations.

Anonymous wrote:The statements about universities is not only applicable to American universities, so you can stop congratulating yourself on your ability to see the big picture and start looking at the various forms white supremacy took.

And maybe move past Brown and past colleges and universities founded before 1865.

Where did anyone say these issues were only applicable to American universities? This is a discussion about American plantations, American universities and the American institution of slavery. Discussing universities that were founded during the time slavery was extant is appropriate and relevant - especially since so many of DCUMs aspire for their children to attend them. Feel free to start another thread about those established after abolition and how perceptions of enslaved African-American's fit into the philosophies of white supremacists.

Your problem is that you want everyone to accept your anti-virtue signaling. Not gonna happen. It's not "virtue signaling" for people to state they feel uncomfortable partying it up at a plantation. It's creepy, creepy, creepy. There's many of us in this thread with this position.

I've read the report issued by Georgetown on their connection to slavery. I still stand by my comment that universities have done more to expand economic outcomes and social rights of all Americans than plantations. You have every right to not attend those universities, see yourself out the door.

There you go again, using words you don't understand. If you think universities have done more to expand economic outcomes and social rights of all Americans than plantations (I'm assuming you really mean the institution of slavery) then there really is no hope for you as you lack the necessary critical thinking skills to understand the impact/contributions of slavery to the establishment and growth of the US. Don't bother attempting to read the Brown University Report. I can see you struggled with whatever report Georgetown put out.

The statements about universities is not only applicable to American universities, so you can stop congratulating yourself on your ability to see the big picture and start looking at the various forms white supremacy took.

And maybe move past Brown and past colleges and universities founded before 1865.

Anonymous wrote:Slavery and white supremacy are baked into American history, so no, you can't go somewhere that existed at the time of chattel slavery and think "No taint here!"

But all plantations were economic engines that depended on slavery for their existence. Universities could exists without slavery (although arguably they depended on other forms of inequality). So while I agree that we should be mindful of past and current injustices, you can look at elements of some universities and see ways people did good without harming others. Everything at a plantation can be divided into oppressor and oppressed.

Universities could have existed without slavery but they didn't. Without slavery, they would have remained small and regional, if they existed at all since it was the only the wealthy who could afford to attend - and who were the wealthy in America? Those who profited from slavery, including northern merchants and manufacturers whose commerce was tied to the slave owners in the south. The entire American economy depended on slavery. Read the Brown University Report and you'll have a better understanding of that and how universities reinforced rationalizations for slavery by their 'racial research'.

More than 75% of southern whites did not own slaves of those who did, only 1% owned 40 or more. The majority of white southerns who did not own slaves were small farmers. So, you are correct in saying plantations (large farms/homesteads) would not exist without slavery but the same can be said about the universities. Without the 'benefits' of slavery, they would have been just as small and unnotable as universities would have been without them. Plantations and universities became wealthy, prestigious and elite for the very same reasons - slavery. You can't excuse universities by saying some of the 'did good'. That's apologist language.

https://www.theroot.com/slavery-by-the-numbers-1790874492

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Zzzzzzzzzzzz. You're bizarrely defending plantations in order to "own the libs." Your form of stupid hurts so bad that your dead relatives can feel it. Congrats, Lord of House Edgelord.

You're pointing out no hypocrisy. We are adult enough to recognize that there are shades of grey when it comes to universities vs. plantations and there involvement in the slave trade. In fact, not an insignificant number of elite Southern families today have wealth due to their ancestors' investments in slavery.

But sure, go party at a plantation and post it to IG. None of us are jealous of your moral relativism. And none of us feel bad for attending universities, some of which were tainted by funding from the slave trade. American universities have done more for our national security, economic wealth, and pushing the expansion of civil rights than plantations ever did. Your black-white form of thinking is boring, trite, and unpersuasive. Maybe you should have spent more time in a university?

This is the best response you can come up with? You, obviously, didn't read the Brown University report and fail to understand just how complicit, as slave owners and facilitators of slavery, universities are. Continue on in your willful ignorance and virtue signaling.

You also shouldn't use words like "purity tests" and "moral relativism" unless understand what they mean and can use them correctly.

Your problem is that you want everyone to accept your anti-virtue signaling. Not gonna happen. It's not "virtue signaling" for people to state they feel uncomfortable partying it up at a plantation. It's creepy, creepy, creepy. There's many of us in this thread with this position.

I've read the report issued by Georgetown on their connection to slavery. I still stand by my comment that universities have done more to expand economic outcomes and social rights of all Americans than plantations. You have every right to not attend those universities, see yourself out the door.

You're effectively justifying a lesser evil over a greater evil but I suppose you're still missing the point, it's still heavily tinged by the evil. Was there an upside to the American plantation system? Well, the cheap cotton produced by the plantations in the decades before the Civil War flooded both America and the world with drastically cheaper textiles and that was a major improvement over textiles of previous eras, which were much more expensive that poor people literally lived in rags. So you can say the typical plantation worked towards greatly improving the quality of life for millions outside the South and the world (it was very much part of the larger industrial revolution era). That, in a way, can be said to be more valuable to the improving the overall human condition than most academic research that has ever come out of Georgetown. Just one perspective, of course.

George Washington and Thomas Jefferson also did more for this country than just about anyone else, they were the founding fathers and created a system of government that still binds us together as Americans, and they were planters and the wealth of their plantations allowed them to flourish as political leaders.

Where does one draw the line? Are Washington and Jefferson evil men? They were not. And that's the truth, unfortunate or not. Most planters and slave owners were not evil or inherently bad people. History is muddled and complicated. And everything is interlinked.

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Zzzzzzzzzzzz. You're bizarrely defending plantations in order to "own the libs." Your form of stupid hurts so bad that your dead relatives can feel it. Congrats, Lord of House Edgelord.

You're pointing out no hypocrisy. We are adult enough to recognize that there are shades of grey when it comes to universities vs. plantations and there involvement in the slave trade. In fact, not an insignificant number of elite Southern families today have wealth due to their ancestors' investments in slavery.

But sure, go party at a plantation and post it to IG. None of us are jealous of your moral relativism. And none of us feel bad for attending universities, some of which were tainted by funding from the slave trade. American universities have done more for our national security, economic wealth, and pushing the expansion of civil rights than plantations ever did. Your black-white form of thinking is boring, trite, and unpersuasive. Maybe you should have spent more time in a university?

This is the best response you can come up with? You, obviously, didn't read the Brown University report and fail to understand just how complicit, as slave owners and facilitators of slavery, universities are. Continue on in your willful ignorance and virtue signaling.

You also shouldn't use words like "purity tests" and "moral relativism" unless understand what they mean and can use them correctly.

Your problem is that you want everyone to accept your anti-virtue signaling. Not gonna happen. It's not "virtue signaling" for people to state they feel uncomfortable partying it up at a plantation. It's creepy, creepy, creepy. There's many of us in this thread with this position.

I've read the report issued by Georgetown on their connection to slavery. I still stand by my comment that universities have done more to expand economic outcomes and social rights of all Americans than plantations. You have every right to not attend those universities, see yourself out the door.

Zzzzzzzzzzzz. You're bizarrely defending plantations in order to "own the libs." Your form of stupid hurts so bad that your dead relatives can feel it. Congrats, Lord of House Edgelord.

You're pointing out no hypocrisy. We are adult enough to recognize that there are shades of grey when it comes to universities vs. plantations and there involvement in the slave trade. In fact, not an insignificant number of elite Southern families today have wealth due to their ancestors' investments in slavery.

But sure, go party at a plantation and post it to IG. None of us are jealous of your moral relativism. And none of us feel bad for attending universities, some of which were tainted by funding from the slave trade. American universities have done more for our national security, economic wealth, and pushing the expansion of civil rights than plantations ever did. Your black-white form of thinking is boring, trite, and unpersuasive. Maybe you should have spent more time in a university?

This is the best response you can come up with? You, obviously, didn't read the Brown University report and fail to understand just how complicit, as slave owners and facilitators of slavery, universities are. Continue on in your willful ignorance and virtue signaling.

You also shouldn't use words like "purity tests" and "moral relativism" unless understand what they mean and can use them correctly.