Anonymous
Post 03/08/2019 01:23     Subject: Re:The Rush to Judge Ilhan Omar
Anonymous
Post 03/08/2019 01:20     Subject: The Rush to Judge Ilhan Omar
Anonymous wrote:https://therealnews.com/columns/demystifying-us-and-israeli-power

Myth: "Israel controls the US government through AIPAC."

This is a convenient cover story used by the US President and Congress for the purpose of evading public responsibility for US-Israeli war crimes and illegal expansion and illegal existence. This story is a conspiracy theory that is widely adopted by American liberals and many on the Left who do not understand the history and functioning of US imperial power.


Money given by the US government to the State of Israel is a thinly-disguised public cover for funneling money into the US military-industrial complex. Israel is a money-laundering operation for the US military-industrial complex. --- Think of Israel as the unofficial 51st state of the USA, and is operated much as Hawaii was stolen from Hawaiians. Both North American indigenous peoples and the indigenous people of Hawaii (and many other US colonial possessions) are equivalent to the Palestinian people-- driven off the land, dispossessed by US imperial expansion.
Anonymous
Post 03/08/2019 01:17     Subject: The Rush to Judge Ilhan Omar
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Also, what up with the "dual loyalty is a myth and it's a hateful attack to suggest it exists..."

How about y'all get back to me in a couple days when everyone is wearing green and professing their loyalty and love of Ireland and all things Irish.

Meanwhile do you know how many American Jews I know who have spent time in Israel, on kibbutz, et cetera? How many know their right of return and of guaranteed Israeli citizenship? A lot. "Myth" indeed.


to be fair there is a pretty strong irish-american lobby. Remember during the troubles?

but yes, i made a thread about this years ago - inquiring how i don't really see other dual citizens or diaspora people have the same multi-generational engagement with the country of their ethnicity nearly to the same extent as jews and israel.

for example if indian americans, who have a ton of money as well, had an organization as powerful as aipac/zoa/rjc/etc and were politically as engaged on issues directly affecting india in the region, pakistan would be in a lot larger world of hurt.



During the troubles, the IRA was getting more money from Boston than it was from Dublin. Cultural loyalties can run deep. So to try and suggest it's absurd and a heinous myth is in itself absurd.


in that i agree.
Anonymous
Post 03/08/2019 01:14     Subject: The Rush to Judge Ilhan Omar
https://therealnews.com/columns/demystifying-us-and-israeli-power

Myth: "Israel controls the US government through AIPAC."

This is a convenient cover story used by the US President and Congress for the purpose of evading public responsibility for US-Israeli war crimes and illegal expansion and illegal existence. This story is a conspiracy theory that is widely adopted by American liberals and many on the Left who do not understand the history and functioning of US imperial power.
Anonymous
Post 03/08/2019 01:12     Subject: The Rush to Judge Ilhan Omar
Anonymous wrote:You need to perceive the obvious. Power in this country is not in Congress, and surely not in AIPAC. YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND REAL POWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! When you can see it, see the obvious, it will take your breath away.

The elite in this country own and control everything. The drama in Washington is mere shadow puppetry.

The entire Euro-American cultural system is one devious "gaslight" operation in which capitalist elites plunder the planet, while they hire the educated class to perform as teachers, politicians, technical experts, economists, TV political pundits, think tank intellectuals, and the police to blame the poor for poverty, blame the colonial subjects for colonialism, and blame AIPAC, Russia, and Iran for everything else.


LOL illuminati reptilian alienz of course!


Anonymous
Post 03/08/2019 01:08     Subject: The Rush to Judge Ilhan Omar
AIPAC was put there to function as a highly-visible and noisy attractant serving to steer attention away from real power; the MIC. AIPAC is politically useful as a diversionary tactic. It has no real power.
Anonymous
Post 03/08/2019 01:07     Subject: The Rush to Judge Ilhan Omar
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Also, what up with the "dual loyalty is a myth and it's a hateful attack to suggest it exists..."

How about y'all get back to me in a couple days when everyone is wearing green and professing their loyalty and love of Ireland and all things Irish.

Meanwhile do you know how many American Jews I know who have spent time in Israel, on kibbutz, et cetera? How many know their right of return and of guaranteed Israeli citizenship? A lot. "Myth" indeed.


to be fair there is a pretty strong irish-american lobby. Remember during the troubles?

but yes, i made a thread about this years ago - inquiring how i don't really see other dual citizens or diaspora people have the same multi-generational engagement with the country of their ethnicity nearly to the same extent as jews and israel.

for example if indian americans, who have a ton of money as well, had an organization as powerful as aipac/zoa/rjc/etc and were politically as engaged on issues directly affecting india in the region, pakistan would be in a lot larger world of hurt.



The problem is neither AIPAC nor the NRA. Both organizations are the marketing divisions of the RULING CLASS and their profitable corporations which reap huge profits from slaughter in the Middle East, and reap huge profits from slaughter on the USA streets. End of story.

During the troubles, the IRA was getting more money from Boston than it was from Dublin. Cultural loyalties can run deep. So to try and suggest it's absurd and a heinous myth is in itself absurd.
Anonymous
Post 03/08/2019 00:50     Subject: The Rush to Judge Ilhan Omar
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Also, what up with the "dual loyalty is a myth and it's a hateful attack to suggest it exists..."

How about y'all get back to me in a couple days when everyone is wearing green and professing their loyalty and love of Ireland and all things Irish.

Meanwhile do you know how many American Jews I know who have spent time in Israel, on kibbutz, et cetera? How many know their right of return and of guaranteed Israeli citizenship? A lot. "Myth" indeed.


to be fair there is a pretty strong irish-american lobby. Remember during the troubles?

but yes, i made a thread about this years ago - inquiring how i don't really see other dual citizens or diaspora people have the same multi-generational engagement with the country of their ethnicity nearly to the same extent as jews and israel.

for example if indian americans, who have a ton of money as well, had an organization as powerful as aipac/zoa/rjc/etc and were politically as engaged on issues directly affecting india in the region, pakistan would be in a lot larger world of hurt.



During the troubles, the IRA was getting more money from Boston than it was from Dublin. Cultural loyalties can run deep. So to try and suggest it's absurd and a heinous myth is in itself absurd.
Anonymous
Post 03/08/2019 00:49     Subject: The Rush to Judge Ilhan Omar
You need to perceive the obvious. Power in this country is not in Congress, and surely not in AIPAC. YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND REAL POWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! When you can see it, see the obvious, it will take your breath away.

The elite in this country own and control everything. The drama in Washington is mere shadow puppetry.

The entire Euro-American cultural system is one devious "gaslight" operation in which capitalist elites plunder the planet, while they hire the educated class to perform as teachers, politicians, technical experts, economists, TV political pundits, think tank intellectuals, and the police to blame the poor for poverty, blame the colonial subjects for colonialism, and blame AIPAC, Russia, and Iran for everything else.
Anonymous
Post 03/08/2019 00:37     Subject: The Rush to Judge Ilhan Omar
Anonymous wrote:Also, what up with the "dual loyalty is a myth and it's a hateful attack to suggest it exists..."

How about y'all get back to me in a couple days when everyone is wearing green and professing their loyalty and love of Ireland and all things Irish.

Meanwhile do you know how many American Jews I know who have spent time in Israel, on kibbutz, et cetera? How many know their right of return and of guaranteed Israeli citizenship? A lot. "Myth" indeed.


to be fair there is a pretty strong irish-american lobby. Remember during the troubles?

but yes, i made a thread about this years ago - inquiring how i don't really see other dual citizens or diaspora people have the same multi-generational engagement with the country of their ethnicity nearly to the same extent as jews and israel.

for example if indian americans, who have a ton of money as well, had an organization as powerful as aipac/zoa/rjc/etc and were politically as engaged on issues directly affecting india in the region, pakistan would be in a lot larger world of hurt.

Anonymous
Post 03/08/2019 00:31     Subject: Re:The Rush to Judge Ilhan Omar
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Engel's statement was full of pain.
It's worth watching.


He’s going to lose in the next primary.


Would love to see that happen - unfortunately his district is really safe for him. Being too woke on israel won't play well in his ny district nor will someone too progressive economically. Lots of what I call 'tory democrats' in his district.
jsteele
Post 03/07/2019 23:24     Subject: Re:The Rush to Judge Ilhan Omar
Anonymous wrote:Some argue, it seems, that there is othing that could be interpreted in her comments as hinting toward antisemitism when viewed from the perspective of a reasonable listener. If some Jews think there is a suggestion of antisemitism there, then that ends the debate for me. But that’s just me. To be fair, I think the Democrats made an unforced error. Omar is, I think, much more in step with today’s Democratic Party on this issue then the party’s ancient leaders are. Hoyer? Give me a break. Is he woke? So I just don’t get the rush to implicitly ondemn her through some really weird resolution.


Oh, anyone can always interpret anything anyway they want. Obviously some Jews are interpreting Omar's remarks in such a way. What I have been trying to say is that Omar said this:

“So for me I want to talk about the political influence in this country that says it is ok for people to push for allegiance to a foreign country.”

The Washington Post reported this:

"Omar suggested last week that Israel’s supporters have an 'allegiance to a foreign country'.

Notice the difference? Omar is obviously discussing the pro-Israel lobby and how it pushes people to support Israel. The example that provoked her is Marco Rubio's anti-BDS bill that allows state and local governments to punish Americans who don't support Israel's interests. For instance, in Texas a school teacher was fired because she refused to sign a pledge not to support BDS.

Omar said nothing about the loyalty of American Jews. To the contrary, earlier in her talk she discussed how she understands the passion her Jewish constituents have for Israel and compared it to her children's passion for Somalia.

If there is any gaslighting going on, it is by the Washington Post which is mischaracterizing Omar's words.
Anonymous
Post 03/07/2019 23:22     Subject: The Rush to Judge Ilhan Omar
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Also, what up with the "dual loyalty is a myth and it's a hateful attack to suggest it exists..."

How about y'all get back to me in a couple days when everyone is wearing green and professing their loyalty and love of Ireland and all things Irish.

Meanwhile do you know how many American Jews I know who have spent time in Israel, on kibbutz, et cetera? How many know their right of return and of guaranteed Israeli citizenship? A lot. "Myth" indeed.


You sound jealous of people who believe in something.


Aha. Dual loyalty.


Yep, that's pretty much game over on the complaints about any "dual loyalty" statement. Admitted, acknowledged. She wasn't wrong.
Anonymous
Post 03/07/2019 23:18     Subject: Re:The Rush to Judge Ilhan Omar
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There’s lots of gaslighting going on. Will she serve up another trope in a couple weeks? You betcha!


I don't think "gaslighting" means what you think it means. Gaslighting means people trying to make you believe something that is false. Ilhan Omar isn't promoting anything that is false.

By "trope" you mean factual and accurate statement about Netanyahu's policies? Or another factual and accurate about the political influence of AIPAC?

Look, just because you don't like acknowledging something doesn't make it wrong, and for sure doesn't make it "gaslighting"


Some argue, it seems, that there is othing that could be interpreted in her comments as hinting toward antisemitism when viewed from the perspective of a reasonable listener. If some Jews think there is a suggestion of antisemitism there, then that ends the debate for me. But that’s just me. To be fair, I think the Democrats made an unforced error. Omar is, I think, much more in step with today’s Democratic Party on this issue then the party’s ancient leaders are. Hoyer? Give me a break. Is he woke? So I just don’t get the rush to implicitly ondemn her through some really weird resolution.


Seems so much of a stretch that it's not even a hint from the perspective of a reasonable listener. It's like "I like cheese" and then "Oh, but he probably likes meat too and meat and cheese together are not kosher and therefore he is obviously an anti-Semite."

Anonymous
Post 03/07/2019 23:14     Subject: The Rush to Judge Ilhan Omar
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Also, what up with the "dual loyalty is a myth and it's a hateful attack to suggest it exists..."

How about y'all get back to me in a couple days when everyone is wearing green and professing their loyalty and love of Ireland and all things Irish.

Meanwhile do you know how many American Jews I know who have spent time in Israel, on kibbutz, et cetera? How many know their right of return and of guaranteed Israeli citizenship? A lot. "Myth" indeed.


You sound jealous of people who believe in something.


Aha. Dual loyalty.